49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

But this won't stop Seattle's DTs from mauling our IOL. You still have to create running lanes and those are created by moving guys. Who do we have that is going to move the Seattle D-line around?

Not necessarily directed at you but I will take this opportunity to ask.
At what point was there someone that could handle their pass rush? Was anyone available that is a clear improvement this year?

Or, as you mentioned, the better choice is make them backoff and create space.

They had multiple opportunities to draft plug and play guards and passed everytime.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We actually beat Seattle in the first game last year. If we can beat their man coverage we have a shot. Rams showed this when they played them in the playoffs, Seattle beat them in a close game.

Biggest difference moving forward is that we will also be getting after the Seahawks QB, similar to how they will be coming after ours.

Seattle doesn't play man coverage...they play 80% zone. Again, read my previous posts. You can add all the skill players in the world, and it won't help much because they're going to contest every window and challenge every throw with 7 in coverage and 5 DBs on the field.

Why? Because they don't respect the 49ers' ability to run the ball or block their 4-man rush.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

2. I think Kyle believes the lack of talent and speed at receiver was the bigger problem. I agree. Things should be a lot more open and there should be more space.

Football is a numbers game, and Seattle is dominating it. Weapons don't matter when every window is small and every throw is contested because Seattle is dropping 7 into coverage all game long. This s**t isn't rocket science. The 49ers can't run the ball against a light box, and as a result, Seattle doesn't feel any pressure to change their defensive structure or personnel. This is a major f**king problem right here. Seattle can stay in pass-heavy defense while also eliminating the run. You can add all the weapons in the league, and it's still going to be extremely difficult to pass the ball because they've got the numbers advantage in coverage.

If you can't force them to respect the run, you can't force them out of that defense. If you can't force them out of that defense, you won't be able to effectively pass the ball. Again, this s**t isn't rocket science. Shanahan echo'd this exact sentiment yet...nothing changed.

I didn't even touch on their ability to get after the quarterback with only 4 rushers. The 49ers have the inverse numbers problem when it comes to pass blocking: they can't block 4 with 5. They can't run the ball against a lightbox, and they can't pass block Seattle's 4-man rush. And what they did they do about it? N-o-t-h-i-n-g. Niners' fans have right to pissed the f**k off after how the season ended right now.

I said what they did wouldn't be enough. Only tried to put myself in Kyle's shoes and see through his eyes what he identifies as the problem. I stated at the end what they did will not be enough. I'll even add that, offensively, they will probably looks great against other teams which will give us a false sense of where we truly rank. I'm not disagreeing with anything you said. I also think Kyle could have done both- added some help to the O-line and picked up every guy that was drafted over the last three days.

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

But this won't stop Seattle's DTs from mauling our IOL. You still have to create running lanes and those are created by moving guys. Who do we have that is going to move the Seattle D-line around?

Not necessarily directed at you but I will take this opportunity to ask.
At what point was there someone that could handle their pass rush? Was anyone available that is a clear improvement this year?

Or, as you mentioned, the better choice is make them backoff and create space.

Chase Bisonitis. The guy who literally went after Stribling. Literally. Day one plug and play starter at LG. Playing next to Trent Williams. Now granted I didn't realistically expect us to get a center that was pushing Brendel, but one can only hope, Once Logan Jones went in the 50s, that dream was dead. But a line with Williams, Bisonitis, Brendel, a healthy Puni, and McKivitz looks a ot better than what we are likely to have and I'm still confident we could've ended up with Stribling.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Mike MacDonald is loving the 49ers offseason.

It seems Kyle thinks our inability to separate and get down the field was a bigger problem than pass pro and run blocking. The a certain extent, he's right. We could have a top five pass pro and run blocking O-line and I still don't think we beat Seattle with last year's receiver group. Maybe he figures more speed, pass catchers, etc is the way to open things up. We still would need to upgrade in the TE department to get more blockers and guys that can add contribute to the passing game, Robert Jones is probably the starter at LG and this is what we are running with. I do think they should do a much better job of getting pressure on Darnold, which will change the whole dynamic of the Seattle games. Offensively, I still don't expect do a lot against them. Not given who they have added to their defense We won't be beaten down as badly as we were in the playoffs, but they still look to be ahead of us.

Yea that o-line that got us 1 game away from the number one seed and one game away from the NFCCG may be ok.

What about the rest of the team?

We actually beat Seattle in the first game last year. If we can beat their man coverage we have a shot. Rams showed this when they played them in the playoffs, Seattle beat them in a close game.

Biggest difference moving forward is that we will also be getting after the Seahawks QB, similar to how they will be coming after ours.

They were both different teams the first game, but the last two against them our interior o-line was simply outmatched, Purdy had no chance. What did we score 3 points in two games?

Defensively you assume we get everyone back 100%. I hope so, but we shall see. I also don't expect an aging roster that has a history of injuries to not have any next season.

I like that they took two linemen later, especially the tackle they can try to spend a year to develop, but barring some miracle they won't be contributing much this year.

The way to beat Seattle is to run the ball. We could not run the ball effectively at all the last two games. McCaffery was pulling yards out of his ass because there were zero running lanes most plays. I just don't see how that improves when you dont even try to upgrade the o-line. They are literally rolling out the same line minus LG which isn't even known at this time. We have to pray for some serious Seattle regression or injury.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Mike MacDonald is loving the 49ers offseason.

It seems Kyle thinks our inability to separate and get down the field was a bigger problem than pass pro and run blocking. The a certain extent, he's right. We could have a top five pass pro and run blocking O-line and I still don't think we beat Seattle with last year's receiver group. Maybe he figures more speed, pass catchers, etc is the way to open things up. We still would need to upgrade in the TE department to get more blockers and guys that can add contribute to the passing game, Robert Jones is probably the starter at LG and this is what we are running with. I do think they should do a much better job of getting pressure on Darnold, which will change the whole dynamic of the Seattle games. Offensively, I still don't expect do a lot against them. Not given who they have added to their defense We won't be beaten down as badly as we were in the playoffs, but they still look to be ahead of us.

Yea that o-line that got us 1 game away from the number one seed and one game away from the NFCCG may be ok.

What about the rest of the team?

We actually beat Seattle in the first game last year. If we can beat their man coverage we have a shot. Rams showed this when they played them in the playoffs, Seattle beat them in a close game.

Biggest difference moving forward is that we will also be getting after the Seahawks QB, similar to how they will be coming after ours.

This is the only gap they have potentially closed. Hoping they can force Darnold into some bad decisions and we just make less mistakes than they do. But they are going to need blocking TEs, perhaps the Black pick will come into play because he will need to play some pass protection before being sent out on passes, etc.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Mike MacDonald is loving the 49ers offseason.

It seems Kyle thinks our inability to separate and get down the field was a bigger problem than pass pro and run blocking. The a certain extent, he's right. We could have a top five pass pro and run blocking O-line and I still don't think we beat Seattle with last year's receiver group. Maybe he figures more speed, pass catchers, etc is the way to open things up. We still would need to upgrade in the TE department to get more blockers and guys that can add contribute to the passing game, Robert Jones is probably the starter at LG and this is what we are running with. I do think they should do a much better job of getting pressure on Darnold, which will change the whole dynamic of the Seattle games. Offensively, I still don't expect do a lot against them. Not given who they have added to their defense We won't be beaten down as badly as we were in the playoffs, but they still look to be ahead of us.

Yea that o-line that got us 1 game away from the number one seed and one game away from the NFCCG may be ok.

What about the rest of the team?

We actually beat Seattle in the first game last year. If we can beat their man coverage we have a shot. Rams showed this when they played them in the playoffs, Seattle beat them in a close game.

Biggest difference moving forward is that we will also be getting after the Seahawks QB, similar to how they will be coming after ours.

We did, but the team was at a different level by season's end. We are basically hoping for that kind of improvement if our guys are all playing.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We actually beat Seattle in the first game last year. If we can beat their man coverage we have a shot. Rams showed this when they played them in the playoffs, Seattle beat them in a close game.

Biggest difference moving forward is that we will also be getting after the Seahawks QB, similar to how they will be coming after ours.

While we didn't really make big improvements on the line, if we stay healthy, these games against Seattle will be closer than people think. Seattle's going regress this season, too much turnover both player and coaches, so I'm not buying into the doom and gloom matching up with them. IMO, the Rams are who we should be worrying about more, they're the better team, but they did us a solid reaching for that backup QB in round 1.

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
We actually beat Seattle in the first game last year. If we can beat their man coverage we have a shot. Rams showed this when they played them in the playoffs, Seattle beat them in a close game.

Biggest difference moving forward is that we will also be getting after the Seahawks QB, similar to how they will be coming after ours.

While we didn't really make big improvements on the line, if we stay healthy, these games against Seattle will be closer than people think. Seattle's going regress this season, too much turnover both player and coaches, so I'm not buying into the doom and gloom matching up with them. IMO, the Rams are who we should be worrying about more, they're the better team, but they did us a solid reaching for that backup QB in round 1.

You could argue the same about our team too tbh.

Originally posted by swoosh6996:
While we didn't really make big improvements on the line, if we stay healthy, these games against Seattle will be closer than people think. Seattle's going regress this season, too much turnover both player and coaches, so I'm not buying into the doom and gloom matching up with them. IMO, the Rams are who we should be worrying about more, they're the better team, but they did us a solid reaching for that backup QB in round 1.

Every year is different but as long as seattle dominates the line of scrimmage they'll be a problem. 49ers havent done anything to close the gap between their o-line and seattles d-line which we can all probably agree on.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
If your QB spends all game long running for his life or own his back you aren't beating Seattle no matter how many weapons you have.

Not to mention the inability to run against their front.

Running for his life IS Purdy's game. He wouldn't know what to do if he could just stand there and aim. Kind of like the Sundance Kid.
I agree that Purdy needs modest protection. To me the main deficit is that the OL is not opening holes for CMC et al. That unnecessarily compounds the pass protection problem because defenders just pin their ears back on likely pass downs.

It's gonna be a fantastic read to come back to this in 3 years and see all the proclamations people make about prospect X we passed on would have been a lock to do Y. The hit rate on draft prospects drops below 50% in the middle of the first round...

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
If your QB spends all game long running for his life or own his back you aren't beating Seattle no matter how many weapons you have.

Not to mention the inability to run against their front.

Running for his life IS Purdy's game. He wouldn't know what to do if he could just stand there and aim. Kind of like the Sundance Kid.
I agree that Purdy needs modest protection. To me the main deficit is that the OL is not opening holes for CMC et al. That unnecessarily compounds the pass protection problem because defenders just pin their ears back on likely pass downs.

no it isn't and every QB needs more than moderate protection.

Originally posted by Typecast:
It's gonna be a fantastic read to come back to this in 3 years and see all the proclamations people make about prospect X we passed on would have been a lock to do Y. The hit rate on draft prospects drops below 50% in the middle of the first round...

Good reason to draft a 1st rounder

Originally posted by mcwoot:

Originally posted by Typecast:
It's gonna be a fantastic read to come back to this in 3 years and see all the proclamations people make about prospect X we passed on would have been a lock to do Y. The hit rate on draft prospects drops below 50% in the middle of the first round...

Good reason to draft a 1st rounder

The miss rate is about the same at 27 compared to 30 and 33. And if we had picked at 30, the pick still would have been Stribling.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
If your QB spends all game long running for his life or own his back you aren't beating Seattle no matter how many weapons you have.

Not to mention the inability to run against their front.

Running for his life IS Purdy's game. He wouldn't know what to do if he could just stand there and aim. Kind of like the Sundance Kid.
I agree that Purdy needs modest protection. To me the main deficit is that the OL is not opening holes for CMC et al. That unnecessarily compounds the pass protection problem because defenders just pin their ears back on likely pass downs.

no it isn't and every QB needs more than moderate protection.

A great ideal for Madden, and I'm not saying pass pro shouldn't be better. We can quibble over coulda-shoulda-woulda for OL players, but if we keep going to the playoffs we're not going to have the luxury of high draft picks for lock-down pass pro.

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
If your QB spends all game long running for his life or own his back you aren't beating Seattle no matter how many weapons you have.

Not to mention the inability to run against their front.

Running for his life IS Purdy's game. He wouldn't know what to do if he could just stand there and aim. Kind of like the Sundance Kid.
I agree that Purdy needs modest protection. To me the main deficit is that the OL is not opening holes for CMC et al. That unnecessarily compounds the pass protection problem because defenders just pin their ears back on likely pass downs.

no it isn't and every QB needs more than moderate protection.

A great ideal for Madden, and I'm not saying pass pro shouldn't be better. We can quibble over coulda-shoulda-woulda for OL players, but if we keep going to the playoffs we're not going to have the luxury of high draft picks for lock-down pass pro.

I have no clue what you're talking about with your Madden reference but when did having a quality oline become a luxury?

They had multiple chance to draft plug and play guards through out this very draft and passed on everyone of them you don't have spend high end picks to improve the line but I'm sure the yearly WR & RB pick that doesn't see the field will fix all their issues vs quality dlines.