49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:


Trent singed.

BUT, we still need to draft his replacement high in the draft. I'm not getting off that. 2 year, $50 mil? That's not comforting because Trent WILL want more money next year and we'll be going through this whole song-&-dance again next year.

We still need to draft his replacement.

i think we should just draft his replacement when he retires. I am all for taking a mid to late round pick to see if he develops into one but i don't like the idea of drafting one high with a day 1/2 pick and develop. Once he retires if we dont have one i like the idea of trading up and picking an OT that you like

Yeah, because we haven't tried that before. What a novel idea.

its a mid round pick you dont depend on that its a way of drafting a guy with a low capital draft cost at a premiere position. Youjust see if he develops and if he doesn't you pick a player early like i said but you do that once Trent retires

Completely disagree. We've tried this before, and it keeps failing. No, we draft his eventual replacement now, let him play LG in 2026, and move him to LT when Trent retires/released. I think it's foolish to draft for need when Trent is gone because it assumes too much for it to be successful. That way we'll have a LT fully up-to-speed, and not reliant on a rookie at a premium position. And, we'll have on a rookie deal to boot. We need to get off that "draft & develop" hamster wheel. It don't work at premium positions. Sure, you can get Brock Pury/Tom Brady lucky every once in a while. But by-and-large you need to draft high for premium positions like LT.

how many players have done this before in NFL? Also this year the only prospect i think that is capable of doing that is Proctor and he isnt even a great scheme fit.

I rather just trade up in a year or two and draft a LT. This is a weak OT class and i hate the idea of drafting a player to sit on the bench when we are in a SB window.

"Scheme fit" is another hamster wheel that I think that's been adding to the lack of talent on this team. There can no more of a glaring example than the lack of talent along our O-line. Shanny & Co. have passed up on so much O-line talent of the last several years presumably due to scheme fit. Raheem Morris has been a breath of fresh air in that he's stated that he's not gonna dictate a scheme until he assesses the given talent. Now, I'm not wishing or expecting Shanny to follow suite. Shanny is too wedded to his scheme. But IMHO he's a bit too wedded to his scheme, so much so that it chokes out very good talent. Here's a list of players that fit Shanny's scheme:

Jake Brendel
Connor Colby
Drake Nugent
Nick Zakelj
Austen Pleasants
Jacob Cowing
Jordan Watkins
Brayden Willis
Jordan James
Isaac Guerendo

Who among those are moving the needle? Can we go to war with those scheme fits?

I agree with Donte Whitner! We need to get some TALENT in here. Enough with the choir boys and stop prioritizing scheme fit over talent so much. Trent's replacement isn't coming from mid-round picks. That's coming from top picks or a blockbuster FA signing. Period!!

i dont get the argument you are making those were all mid to late round picks. You dont expect them to move the needle. We didnt not draft a talented player early because we thought we could get those guys you listed

I mean you can make the argument then we traded up for Aiyuk traded for CMC and drafted guys like Deebo and Kittle who are scheme fits who do move the needle. I mean it isn't like our offense hasnt been producing. Proctor can be a great player but he isnt the type of OL you play in a zone scheme concept. Its a fact that some players are better fits for some offense than others and we are consistently drafting late where it isnt like the talent is so overwhelming that you have to make that pick

My point in listing those players is to illustrate that:

. . . taking a mid to late round pick to see if he develops . . .

. . . simply won't do. These are all "scheme fits" we're still hoping to get developed, one of which we don't wanna see on the field at all. I agree, we are in our SB window. But Trent's eventual replacement don't have to sit a year. Like I said, he can play LG got 2026 and be ready for LT when Trent is gone. What's wrong with that? And Proctor isn't the only choice who'll likely be available at 27. Max Iheanachor and Blake Miller will be there as well. But I think playing Proctor next to Trent will prepare him well to replace Trent. In any event, we need to draft Trent's replacement with one of our top 2 picks, IMHO.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:


Trent singed.

BUT, we still need to draft his replacement high in the draft. I'm not getting off that. 2 year, $50 mil? That's not comforting because Trent WILL want more money next year and we'll be going through this whole song-&-dance again next year.

We still need to draft his replacement.

i think we should just draft his replacement when he retires. I am all for taking a mid to late round pick to see if he develops into one but i don't like the idea of drafting one high with a day 1/2 pick and develop. Once he retires if we dont have one i like the idea of trading up and picking an OT that you like

Yeah, because we haven't tried that before. What a novel idea.

its a mid round pick you dont depend on that its a way of drafting a guy with a low capital draft cost at a premiere position. Youjust see if he develops and if he doesn't you pick a player early like i said but you do that once Trent retires

Completely disagree. We've tried this before, and it keeps failing. No, we draft his eventual replacement now, let him play LG in 2026, and move him to LT when Trent retires/released. I think it's foolish to draft for need when Trent is gone because it assumes too much for it to be successful. That way we'll have a LT fully up-to-speed, and not reliant on a rookie at a premium position. And, we'll have on a rookie deal to boot. We need to get off that "draft & develop" hamster wheel. It don't work at premium positions. Sure, you can get Brock Pury/Tom Brady lucky every once in a while. But by-and-large you need to draft high for premium positions like LT.

how many players have done this before in NFL? Also this year the only prospect i think that is capable of doing that is Proctor and he isnt even a great scheme fit.

I rather just trade up in a year or two and draft a LT. This is a weak OT class and i hate the idea of drafting a player to sit on the bench when we are in a SB window.

"Scheme fit" is another hamster wheel that I think that's been adding to the lack of talent on this team. There can no more of a glaring example than the lack of talent along our O-line. Shanny & Co. have passed up on so much O-line talent of the last several years presumably due to scheme fit. Raheem Morris has been a breath of fresh air in that he's stated that he's not gonna dictate a scheme until he assesses the given talent. Now, I'm not wishing or expecting Shanny to follow suite. Shanny is too wedded to his scheme. But IMHO he's a bit too wedded to his scheme, so much so that it chokes out very good talent. Here's a list of players that fit Shanny's scheme:

Jake Brendel
Connor Colby
Drake Nugent
Nick Zakelj
Austen Pleasants
Jacob Cowing
Jordan Watkins
Brayden Willis
Jordan James
Isaac Guerendo

Who among those are moving the needle? Can we go to war with those scheme fits?

I agree with Donte Whitner! We need to get some TALENT in here. Enough with the choir boys and stop prioritizing scheme fit over talent so much. Trent's replacement isn't coming from mid-round picks. That's coming from top picks or a blockbuster FA signing. Period!!

i dont get the argument you are making those were all mid to late round picks. You dont expect them to move the needle. We didnt not draft a talented player early because we thought we could get those guys you listed

I mean you can make the argument then we traded up for Aiyuk traded for CMC and drafted guys like Deebo and Kittle who are scheme fits who do move the needle. I mean it isn't like our offense hasnt been producing. Proctor can be a great player but he isnt the type of OL you play in a zone scheme concept. Its a fact that some players are better fits for some offense than others and we are consistently drafting late where it isnt like the talent is so overwhelming that you have to make that pick

My point in listing those players is to illustrate that:

. . . taking a mid to late round pick to see if he develops . . .

. . . simply won't do. These are all "scheme fits" we're still hoping to get developed, one of which we don't wanna see on the field at all. I agree, we are in our SB window. But Trent's eventual replacement don't have to sit a year. Like I said, he can play LG got 2026 and be ready for LT when Trent is gone. What's wrong with that? And Proctor isn't the only choice who'll likely be available at 27. Max Iheanachor and Blake Miller will be there as well. But I think playing Proctor next to Trent will prepare him well to replace Trent. In any event, we need to draft Trent's replacement with one of our top 2 picks, IMHO.

If they were scheme fits, we wouldn't need to develop them or need to sit them as much

everything outside of the first round is hoping the guy can just play

I dont want a long term tackle prospect playing guard.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
My point in listing those players is to illustrate that:

. . . taking a mid to late round pick to see if he develops . . .

. . . simply won't do. These are all "scheme fits" we're still hoping to get developed, one of which we don't wanna see on the field at all. I agree, we are in our SB window. But Trent's eventual replacement don't have to sit a year. Like I said, he can play LG got 2026 and be ready for LT when Trent is gone. What's wrong with that? And Proctor isn't the only choice who'll likely be available at 27. Max Iheanachor and Blake Miller will be there as well. But I think playing Proctor next to Trent will prepare him well to replace Trent. In any event, we need to draft Trent's replacement with one of our top 2 picks, IMHO.

People keep saying this like this is normally what happens. Tell me the last high end pick at OT that played LG for two yrs then just stepped in to being a good LT in the NFL?

that doesn't happen…and we're also acting like if you're an OT that you can automatically play OG, which simply isn't true.

Procter needs to worry about putting the donuts down. There aren't many 350+ pound OTs that are good in the league.

and no we don't need to draft Trent's replacement in a s**t OT draft for something that isn't gonna be a thing until 2028. That's a horrible waste of draft investment both in regards to contributing now and wasting a cheap rookie contract.

gonna be the same s**t again

I really hope they move on from Foerster after this season. I suspect a large reason they don't draft OL much is because Foerster believes he can make it work with undrafted and vet free agents in 4/5 spots as long as Trent Williams is there. If there was a OL coach who desired better talent to work with perhaps they'd provide that talent.

who wants to protect the QB and open up running lanes?

Originally posted by Hangman_52:
who wants to protect the QB and open up running lanes?

I do. But they just don't value it for some reason. It is what it is.

Like I said the last 7 drafts. I won't hold my breath.

TW is old and will retire soon. You have literally no LG. You paid Brock a ton of money yet continuously pass on protecting him meanwhile all the teams that have won SBs protect the QB. No wonder these guys came win a ring.

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
TW is old and will return soon. You have literally no LG. You paid Brock a ton of money yet continuously pass on protecting him meanwhile all the teams that have won SBs protect the QB. No wonder these guys came win a ring.

Kyle must have amnesia because I clearly remember Seattle owning our oline twice to close out the season...

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
TW is old and will return soon. You have literally no LG. You paid Brock a ton of money yet continuously pass on protecting him meanwhile all the teams that have won SBs protect the QB. No wonder these guys came win a ring.

Chiefs are pretty horrible at protecting the QB.

I like the chances of some of the OL still on the board to be contributors than any of the DBs.

World and Lew would be good draft projects.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
TW is old and will return soon. You have literally no LG. You paid Brock a ton of money yet continuously pass on protecting him meanwhile all the teams that have won SBs protect the QB. No wonder these guys came win a ring.

Chiefs are pretty horrible at protecting the QB.

I like the chances of some of the OL still on the board to be contributors than any of the DBs.

World and Lew would be good draft projects.

Chefs also got mahomes killed last year and he's known as a durable qb unlike purdy

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
TW is old and will return soon. You have literally no LG. You paid Brock a ton of money yet continuously pass on protecting him meanwhile all the teams that have won SBs protect the QB. No wonder these guys came win a ring.

Kyle must have amnesia because I clearly remember Seattle owning our oline twice to close out the season...

They owned the OL and we had ZERO pass rush and our FS/SS we're getting abused all game. But nah let's draft an RB and WR and some edge that sucks. Solid draft as usual with these guys. Still relying heavily on the pre 2021 picks because the 5 years have been absolute trash it seems.

Ignored once again. As always.