49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
This unit badly needs to be improved via the draft. Signed up a few backup caliber oline is not going to fix the underlying issues.

With only 6 picks and several other needs there isn't much chance of any major changes. They may get one good O linemen but there aren't a lot of really good ones available. The best 3 or 4 will be gone before the 49ers draft.

The best 3 or 4 reason isnt going to work. The 49ers will almost never be in a position to get one of the top 3 or 4 without an aggressive trade up. But they should be able to draft and develop a player than can ultimately take over on one or two of the IOL spots. This isn't a stretch. It only requires a real commitment to do so and in spite of having just 6 picks, they are early enough to get some quality IOL. Could get lucky at tackle. We'll see how they play it.

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
it wasn't the defense it was the DC, Plus it was a muffed punt and an unblocked Jones

Yeah no. It was the CMC fumble. Team was marching down the field, having their way with the Chiefs D, and they would have scored a TD had that not happened. Nearly as bad as Craig's fumble in the 90 NFCCG.

Too early in the game to pin it there.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by jimmy3233:
This unit badly needs to be improved via the draft. Signed up a few backup caliber oline is not going to fix the underlying issues.

With only 6 picks and several other needs there isn't much chance of any major changes. They may get one good O linemen but there aren't a lot of really good ones available. The best 3 or 4 will be gone before the 49ers draft.

The best 3 or 4 reason isnt going to work. The 49ers will almost never be in a position to get one of the top 3 or 4 without an aggressive trade up. But they should be able to draft and develop a player than can ultimately take over on one or two of the IOL spots. This isn't a stretch. It only requires a real commitment to do so and in spite of having just 6 picks, they are early enough to get some quality IOL. Could get lucky at tackle. We'll see how they play it.

100% agree. Oline needs to be developed with high end talent by drafting them in rounds 1 & 2. I don't expect them to be a stud day 1 but we certainly can coach up talented o-line men to get better. Also they can grow with Purdy who is young especially with less talented guys like Brendel getting old.

People here may not like to hear this but both McGlinchey and Banks are two of better 1st/2nd round picks (compared to the 1st/2nd round dline busts like Solomon Thomas, Javon Kinlaw, Drake Jackson). Both were solid every game starters (Banks after a redshirt year). Both were talented not elite. Both got signed to legit playoff teams and are starters there.

Guys like Brendel and McKivitz are hard workers and really have improved through coaching but there is a limit do what they can do when they have to go against more talented Dline that are also well coached (KC, LA, Philly, Seattle) especially in playoffs where coaches go all out in gameplanning to exploit them. It is impossible for them to beat those guys not cause of their lack of execution/laziness/mistakes but simply due to genetics. Well coached more talented players will outperform lesser well coached players. When we go against these monsters our weaker oline is a huge liability (philly in NFC championship game, Seattle last year, and KC in the most recent SB).

I'd love to see them spend 2/3 picks on oline men in this draft (including 1 in the first 2 rounds) like they did with Dline last year. The importance of protecting our 50 million a year QB is also more paramount than wasting them on D-line men that will inevitable get injured and need major surgery (100% rate with all our picks our D-line men since Shanalynch took over, you can look it up).

Bitonio is out there for stop-gap purposes. 2 years, possibly one. Draft an IOL in round 2 or 4. That way you keep playoff possibilities + redshirt a potential starter for '27.

Nice to see a front page article with Sherman preaching to upgrade the o-line.

Maybe I'm wrong, but after the O line signings earlier, I don't think they'll target O line until the 4th

I hope they draft a Center to groom / compete with Brendel and Toth... no more Hennessy and looking kinda thin at C

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
Maybe I'm wrong, but after the O line signings earlier, I don't think they'll target O line until the 4th

I hope they draft a Center to groom / compete with Brendel and Toth... no more Hennessy and looking kinda thin at C

i like that 4th round for those OT to OG converts def can find some quality starters there.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by hummbabybear_1:
Maiocco was making an argument that teams don't draft OT early unless they expect them to start. So if Williams is playing this year, it will be EDGE or WR at #27, with the S as wild card.

Doesn't this apply to every single position selected in the first round? Do teams draft a non-OT player in the first round to sit on the bench?

FACTS!

I don't understand the issue with sitting the player for a season. Hell, I'd be ok with drafting a OT and playing him at LG until Trent is gone, then kick him to LT. But the fact remains, we need an infusion of talent on the O-line, and that ain't coming from the later rounds. I'm so tired of us getting too cute and drafting mid-late round guys and hoping that Chris Forester can just coach them up. It's time out for that crap So the wat I see it, the first 2 picks need to be OT and EDGE, and not necessarily in that order.

It used to be common for players to sit a season or 2 then become starters. They would plan on repalacements earlier and would have them learn behind the player they are replacing. That would also mean sometimes trading the current starter or if the replacement was not needed after all they would be traded.

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
Maybe I'm wrong, but after the O line signings earlier, I don't think they'll target O line until the 4th

I hope they draft a Center to groom / compete with Brendel and Toth... no more Hennessy and looking kinda thin at C

NO!! Absolutely not! How's that method working for us? We been on that hamster wheel for far too long now. It's time to STOP IT!!

- Robert Jones (2021 undrafted FA journeyman on his 3rd team)
- Vederian Lowe (2022 6th round pick journeyman on his 3rd team)
- Brett Toth (2018 undrafted FA journeyman on his 4th team with 3 separate stints with Philly)

I'm sorry, none of those guys are moving the talent needle, at all. They're depth pieces, at best. You honestly think that's addressing the O-line? If Shanny & Co. go into the 2026 season having NOT seriously addressed the O-line high in the draft it will be the failure of Trump-esque hubris.

When it comes to the O-line it's time out for grooming, it's time out for developing, it's time out for reclamation projects of other teams' castaways. As it stands our O-line has one true unquestioned dog - Trent Williams - and this is likely his last season with us. And we have one other decent guy - D. Puni. Everyone else are just guys who enjoy getting bullied and pushed back into Purdy's face.

No sir, we need a starting O-lineman with one of our top 2 picks, preferably Trent's eventual replacement. Period, end of

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
Maybe I'm wrong, but after the O line signings earlier, I don't think they'll target O line until the 4th

I hope they draft a Center to groom / compete with Brendel and Toth... no more Hennessy and looking kinda thin at C

NO!! Absolutely not! How's that method working for us? We been on that hamster wheel for far too long now. It's time to STOP IT!!

- Robert Jones (2021 undrafted FA journeyman on his 3rd team)
- Vederian Lowe (2022 6th round pick journeyman on his 3rd team)
- Brett Toth (2018 undrafted FA journeyman on his 4th team with 3 separate stints with Philly)

I'm sorry, none of those guys are moving the talent needle, at all. They're depth pieces, at best. You honestly think that's addressing the O-line? If Shanny & Co. go into the 2026 season having NOT seriously addressed the O-line high in the draft it will be the failure of Trump-esque hubris.

When it comes to the O-line it's time out for grooming, it's time out for developing, it's time out for reclamation projects of other teams' castaways. As it stands our O-line has one true unquestioned dog - Trent Williams - and this is likely his last season with us. And we have one other decent guy - D. Puni. Everyone else are just guys who enjoy getting bullied and pushed back into Purdy's face.

No sir, we need a starting O-lineman with one of our top 2 picks, preferably Trent's eventual replacement. Period, end of

I agree we need an upgrade and Guard and Trent's replacement, as well as competition for the eventual replacement of Brendel who will be 34 when the season starts.

Puni, if he continues his return to form, will be solid for the next 10 years.

You overlooked McKivitz who had a very good year last year. He wound up in the top 10 of all Tackles last year. At 30, with not a lot of years on him, should be good for 3-5 more.

Originally posted by Hangman_52:
It used to be common for players to sit a season or 2 then become starters. They would plan on repalacements earlier and would have them learn behind the player they are replacing. That would also mean sometimes trading the current starter or if the replacement was not needed after all they would be traded.

Yes, but not always. Joe Staley was taken with the 49ers 1st round pick in 2007 and became the immediate starter at right tackle. I was under the assumption that he started at LT from Day One, but he did not. He manned that right side for a full season. He was moved to LT in 2008 and anchored that spot for more than a decade. Kyle took Mike McGlinchey with the 49ers 1st round pick in 2018. He became the immediate starter at RT. Started all 16-games his rookie year.

Are there others who were drafted and grew into the role of starting tackle? Indeed, yes. 49ers RT Colton McKivitz was drafted in the 5th round in the 2020 draft. He replaced McGlinchey after he left for Denver in 2023. So, both scenarios are true.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
Maybe I'm wrong, but after the O line signings earlier, I don't think they'll target O line until the 4th

I hope they draft a Center to groom / compete with Brendel and Toth... no more Hennessy and looking kinda thin at C

NO!! Absolutely not! How's that method working for us? We been on that hamster wheel for far too long now. It's time to STOP IT!!

- Robert Jones (2021 undrafted FA journeyman on his 3rd team)
- Vederian Lowe (2022 6th round pick journeyman on his 3rd team)
- Brett Toth (2018 undrafted FA journeyman on his 4th team with 3 separate stints with Philly)

I'm sorry, none of those guys are moving the talent needle, at all. They're depth pieces, at best. You honestly think that's addressing the O-line? If Shanny & Co. go into the 2026 season having NOT seriously addressed the O-line high in the draft it will be the failure of Trump-esque hubris.

When it comes to the O-line it's time out for grooming, it's time out for developing, it's time out for reclamation projects of other teams' castaways. As it stands our O-line has one true unquestioned dog - Trent Williams - and this is likely his last season with us. And we have one other decent guy - D. Puni. Everyone else are just guys who enjoy getting bullied and pushed back into Purdy's face.

No sir, we need a starting O-lineman with one of our top 2 picks, preferably Trent's eventual replacement. Period, end of

I agree we need an upgrade and Guard and Trent's replacement, as well as competition for the eventual replacement of Brendel who will be 34 when the season starts.

Puni, if he continues his return to form, will be solid for the next 10 years.

You overlooked McKivitz who had a very good year last year. He wound up in the top 10 of all Tackles last year. At 30, with not a lot of years on him, should be good for 3-5 more.

I'd love for them to get O line early (like yesterday), but it doesn't feel like they will, especially after those signings

Not to mention, we currently have a more than 4 OTs on the roster and a little depth at guard. After they get deal done with Trent, they'll more than likely target anything other than O line early...

Originally posted by ritz126:
i like that 4th round for those OT to OG converts def can find some quality starters there.

I hope you're right because we sure can use a late gem (if lucky) and solid depth to groom

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
Maybe I'm wrong, but after the O line signings earlier, I don't think they'll target O line until the 4th

I hope they draft a Center to groom / compete with Brendel and Toth... no more Hennessy and looking kinda thin at C

NO!! Absolutely not! How's that method working for us? We been on that hamster wheel for far too long now. It's time to STOP IT!!

- Robert Jones (2021 undrafted FA journeyman on his 3rd team)
- Vederian Lowe (2022 6th round pick journeyman on his 3rd team)
- Brett Toth (2018 undrafted FA journeyman on his 4th team with 3 separate stints with Philly)

I'm sorry, none of those guys are moving the talent needle, at all. They're depth pieces, at best. You honestly think that's addressing the O-line? If Shanny & Co. go into the 2026 season having NOT seriously addressed the O-line high in the draft it will be the failure of Trump-esque hubris.

When it comes to the O-line it's time out for grooming, it's time out for developing, it's time out for reclamation projects of other teams' castaways. As it stands our O-line has one true unquestioned dog - Trent Williams - and this is likely his last season with us. And we have one other decent guy - D. Puni. Everyone else are just guys who enjoy getting bullied and pushed back into Purdy's face.

No sir, we need a starting O-lineman with one of our top 2 picks, preferably Trent's eventual replacement. Period, end of

I agree we need an upgrade and Guard and Trent's replacement, as well as competition for the eventual replacement of Brendel who will be 34 when the season starts.

Puni, if he continues his return to form, will be solid for the next 10 years.

You overlooked McKivitz who had a very good year last year. He wound up in the top 10 of all Tackles last year. At 30, with not a lot of years on him, should be good for 3-5 more.

I feel you there. But I really didn't overlook him. My thinking is that we draft Trent's replacement with our (hopefully) 1st pick, or 2nd pick, kick McKivitz to LG while the rookie takes on RT. Then, once Trent is gone, move McKivitz back to RT and the rookie to LT in 2027. But that's how I see it. I doubt Shanny & Co. are reading MHO.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
I feel you there. But I really didn't overlook him. My thinking is that we draft Trent's replacement with our (hopefully) 1st pick, or 2nd pick, kick McKivitz to LG while the rookie takes on RT. Then, once Trent is gone, move McKivitz back to RT and the rookie to LT in 2027. But that's how I see it. I doubt Shanny & Co. are reading MHO.

I don't like the idea of bouncing players all over the place from one side to another and back again. You need continuity. Better to let the newbie go at it at guard. At least he will be on the same side.