49ers Offensive Line

I would be happy if the 3-4 of their 6 picks were o-line and the other 2-3 d line tbh.

I also would not be surprised if they draft only one developmental offensive lineman with their final pick.

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by ritz126:
i think only glaring need is LG. It seems that will be upgraded in draft maybe? I actually like our depth now

I think Brendel is a glaring need but the team obviously is content with him.

Riight, what are we doing at center? We need a plan there. Competition. I wouldn't mind keeping brendel as quality IOL depth. Otherwise we need an upgrade in pass Pro performance

FO office, especially Lynch and Shanny, most likely stewing, frustrated and pissed off knowing they have no 7th rd picks

They might not look at O line until draft is done (UDFAs only)

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
FO office, especially Lynch and Shanny, most likely stewing, frustrated and pissed off knowing they have no 7th rd picks

They might not look at O line until draft is done (UDFAs only)

Doubt it. If they don't go for the best available OT left on the board with their first or second round pick, I predict Brock Purdy will get injured. I wouldn't mind them trading that first round pick away for more picks in the second and third rounds, as long as that draft capital is spent on OL prospects. Good OL prospects.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
FO office, especially Lynch and Shanny, most likely stewing, frustrated and pissed off knowing they have no 7th rd picks

They might not look at O line until draft is done (UDFAs only)

Doubt it. If they don't go for the best available OT left on the board with their first or second round pick, I predict Brock Purdy will get injured. I wouldn't mind them trading that first round pick away for more picks in the second and third rounds, as long as that draft capital is spent on OL prospects. Good OL prospects.

I hope he doesn't get injured. They really need to take care of OT replacement for TW (like last year). Hennessy, only legit back up center we had, signed with another team last week

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by pillageDatazz:
FO office, especially Lynch and Shanny, most likely stewing, frustrated and pissed off knowing they have no 7th rd picks

They might not look at O line until draft is done (UDFAs only)

Doubt it. If they don't go for the best available OT left on the board with their first or second round pick, I predict Brock Purdy will get injured. I wouldn't mind them trading that first round pick away for more picks in the second and third rounds, as long as that draft capital is spent on OL prospects. Good OL prospects.

I did a few mocks and often I'm taking 2-3 o-line and another 2-3 d-line. If it shows a real BPA falling like Sediq in rd1 or Haulcy in rd2, I take that gift. Otherwise every time we pick there are good players available for both lines. This would be a wise draft to reload trenches with higher talent, as there isn't an immediate need to throw them out there day 1, but they can push the current bunch and develop.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I did a few mocks and often I'm taking 2-3 o-line and another 2-3 d-line. If it shows a real BPA falling like Sediq in rd1 or Haulcy in rd2, I take that gift. Otherwise every time we pick there are good players available for both lines. This would be a wise draft to reload trenches with higher talent, as there isn't an immediate need to throw them out there day 1, but they can push the current bunch and develop.

They do that they wont be able to cover anything.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I did a few mocks and often I'm taking 2-3 o-line and another 2-3 d-line. If it shows a real BPA falling like Sediq in rd1 or Haulcy in rd2, I take that gift. Otherwise every time we pick there are good players available for both lines. This would be a wise draft to reload trenches with higher talent, as there isn't an immediate need to throw them out there day 1, but they can push the current bunch and develop.

They do that they wont be able to cover anything.

They probably won't go for O line anyways since it's not what they historically do. They could go all defense and technically shore that up, but then they won't be able to run or protect Purdy against the better defenses. We have more holes than this draft can fill.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I did a few mocks and often I'm taking 2-3 o-line and another 2-3 d-line. If it shows a real BPA falling like Sediq in rd1 or Haulcy in rd2, I take that gift. Otherwise every time we pick there are good players available for both lines. This would be a wise draft to reload trenches with higher talent, as there isn't an immediate need to throw them out there day 1, but they can push the current bunch and develop.

FWIW, last week I read an article (can't recall where) that claimed this year's draft has only 11 sure-fire #1 round worthy players. OL had only three, all projected to go in the top 10-12 picks. Next year will be much better.

If that is the case, it explains the FO signings of Toth, Lowe, and Jones. No sense to pick a player in the first round based on need when he may not be any better than what they just added.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I did a few mocks and often I'm taking 2-3 o-line and another 2-3 d-line. If it shows a real BPA falling like Sediq in rd1 or Haulcy in rd2, I take that gift. Otherwise every time we pick there are good players available for both lines. This would be a wise draft to reload trenches with higher talent, as there isn't an immediate need to throw them out there day 1, but they can push the current bunch and develop.

FWIW, last week I read an article (can't recall where) that claimed this year's draft has only 11 sure-fire #1 round worthy players. OL had only three, all projected to go in the top 10-12 picks. Next year will be much better.

If that is the case, it explains the FO signings of Toth, Lowe, and Jones. No sense to pick a player in the first round based on need when he may not be any better than what they just added.

Same story every year with draft gurus etc. That being said, O-line is more of premium now because of the lack of development in college (and in the NFL). Believe me, I know I am dreaming, thinking they may draft anything more than a tackle.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I did a few mocks and often I'm taking 2-3 o-line and another 2-3 d-line. If it shows a real BPA falling like Sediq in rd1 or Haulcy in rd2, I take that gift. Otherwise every time we pick there are good players available for both lines. This would be a wise draft to reload trenches with higher talent, as there isn't an immediate need to throw them out there day 1, but they can push the current bunch and develop.

FWIW, last week I read an article (can't recall where) that claimed this year's draft has only 11 sure-fire #1 round worthy players. OL had only three, all projected to go in the top 10-12 picks. Next year will be much better.

If that is the case, it explains the FO signings of Toth, Lowe, and Jones. No sense to pick a player in the first round based on need when he may not be any better than what they just added.

Same story every year with draft gurus etc. That being said, O-line is more of premium now because of the lack of development in college (and in the NFL). Believe me, I know I am dreaming, thinking they may draft anything more than a tackle.

More and more it is up to the pros to develop players. It has always been that way to a certain extent but with the way the college game has evolved, teams like the 49ers that run a zone scheme will have work to do.

Colton McKivitz is an example of a guy that hung around for three years before he developed into a quality starter.

Originally posted by dj43:
More and more it is up to the pros to develop players. It has always been that way to a certain extent but with the way the college game has evolved, teams like the 49ers that run a zone scheme will have work to do.

Colton McKivitz is an example of a guy that hung around for three years before he developed into a quality starter.

In my early days of being a fan, I noticed that Bill Walsh would draft players such as OLinemen and they would disappear for two years. This predated the Net but we didn't hear about them, then suddenly they would reappear. I think part of the problem nowadays is that every day 1 and 2 pick are supposed to be out there and contributing from the beginning. I wonder how many draftees would have made it had their teams been able to give them the time. McKivitz is a real achievement for Shanahan or Foerster for developing him and for Lynch, presumably, for spotting him.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
They probably won't go for O line anyways since it's not what they historically do. They could go all defense and technically shore that up, but then they won't be able to run or protect Purdy against the better defenses. We have more holes than this draft can fill.

More likely to go o line early then secondary that's for sure.

A lot will depend on whether they can move down or not.

Originally posted by dj43:
FWIW, last week I read an article (can't recall where) that claimed this year's draft has only 11 sure-fire #1 round worthy players. OL had only three, all projected to go in the top 10-12 picks. Next year will be much better.

With all due respect, and I do really mean that because I am aware of your moderator status, and general acceptance of all 49er fans who post here, these are my feelings:

Sportswriters or bloggers who get into the business of talent evaluation are about as reliable as an Allan Lichtman Presidential Election forecast. I am not sure who this author is, but my best guess is that if you look at this person's draft analysis articles from previous years, he would have had Brock Purdy as a "do not draft" or "Camp Arm." These guys and girls miss the boat the majority of the time. I am sure that the real analysts have already created their own board and they don't share that information with anyone except the team or teams who pay handsomely for that advice.

That said, one person I do hope Kyle Shanahan is having conversations with is former 49ers GM Scot McGloughan. That guy is really good when it comes to the business of nailing draft picks. This is especially true when it comes to offensive and defensive line picks. He was very high on the 49ers selection of Mykel Williams with the first pick in last year's draft. I don't hear Mykel's name mentioned much, but I am expecting a big year out of him. I am sure he's got a list of offensive linemen who fit Kyle's scheme perfectly. I'm almost positive there are more than three offensive linemen on that list.

Unfortunately, we don't hear much from McGloughan anymore. He's not one to write something for a sports site. He's more involved with front office work because that is where the money is. He has proven, again and again, that his stuff is spot on. I hope, dearly hope, that Kyle has the man on his payroll.

Originally posted by billbird2111:
I am not sure who this author is, but my best guess is that if you look at this person's draft analysis articles from previous years, he would have had Brock Purdy as a "do not draft" or "Camp Arm."

So has literally every scout and GM in the NFL. Brock Purdy was one pick away from not being drafted at all. If anyone thought Purdy would be even an average starter in the league, he would be drafted far before the last pick of the draft.
The 49ers themselves thought Beathard was a much better prospect than Brock Purdy, so much that he was reached for in the third round.
Surely you don't give the Niners scouting credit for taking a flier with the last pick of the draft ?

Yes, let me repeat this - Kyle Shanahan John Lynch and the scouting ultimately thought Trey Lance was worth 3 first round picks and Beathard was worth the tradeup in the third round. On other hand, Brock was the last pick of the draft.

Then you bring up Scott McLoughlan as your example of someone who knows what hes talking about ? The same Scottie M who thought Cam Latu was a 2nd round grade player and an excellent pick ?

Everyone, INCLUDING front office people, including Scott McDrunk, gets it wrong on some players.

The problem is when you start talking how people who get paid for it or used to be paid for it are infallible and those who do it for a hobby are unreliable. It doesnt work that way. Simply having a job or having a rank isnt indicative of their qualifications or success rate or film evaluation. It doesnt work in many other aspects of life- like politics.

I'll probably take an average internet film evaluator over Matt Millen, someone who was once paid for an NFL franchise to make scouting/personnel evaluations.