49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 49ersRing:
8th best in sacks allowed (20) despite playing 5 defenses in the top 10 in sacks (3 of the defenses in the top 5) and also being #3 in total pass attempts. Some of that is due to smart playcalling and the QBs doing a good job of avoiding sacks, but our o-line is clearly not the bottom tier pass protection unit that some posters here claim it is.

Never has been

Originally posted by gored49:
Just rewatched the game. Brendel is just so bad. I know we have people defending him when he misses blocks (like John Feliciano saying we don't know his role or scheme or whatever) but when he gets beat it is so so bad. Looks lost and can't recover when he looks like he missed an assignment, gets overpowered or whiffs blocks. One play it looked like a guy threw him like a ragdoll with one hand and almost ended mckivitz's season by flying back 10 yards into the back of his legs. Truly awful. I know his job is hard and maybe he does something right but when he looks bad he looks so so bad.

I remember the play you talked about. That was just awful, a total massacre. And yes Brendel could have hurt McIvitz.
Hennessy was not incredible but he wasn't overpowered like that IMHO.

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by gored49:
Just rewatched the game. Brendel is just so bad. I know we have people defending him when he misses blocks (like John Feliciano saying we don't know his role or scheme or whatever) but when he gets beat it is so so bad. Looks lost and can't recover when he looks like he missed an assignment, gets overpowered or whiffs blocks. One play it looked like a guy threw him like a ragdoll with one hand and almost ended mckivitz's season by flying back 10 yards into the back of his legs. Truly awful. I know his job is hard and maybe he does something right but when he looks bad he looks so so bad.

I remember the play you talked about. That was just awful, a total massacre. And yes Brendel could have hurt McIvitz.
Hennessy was not incredible but he wasn't overpowered like that IMHO.

Pff just ranked him our best lineman of the geme. Assuming they really watched him play, what is their metric for grading? Being at the right spot to get in the way. Maybe he does that well but he always looks lost or getting shoved back. Maybe blocking while getting shoved back is still considered a win in their books. I have no idea what they or the Niners measure

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by gored49:
Just rewatched the game. Brendel is just so bad. I know we have people defending him when he misses blocks (like John Feliciano saying we don't know his role or scheme or whatever) but when he gets beat it is so so bad. Looks lost and can't recover when he looks like he missed an assignment, gets overpowered or whiffs blocks. One play it looked like a guy threw him like a ragdoll with one hand and almost ended mckivitz's season by flying back 10 yards into the back of his legs. Truly awful. I know his job is hard and maybe he does something right but when he looks bad he looks so so bad.

I remember the play you talked about. That was just awful, a total massacre. And yes Brendel could have hurt McIvitz.
Hennessy was not incredible but he wasn't overpowered like that IMHO.

Pff just ranked him our best lineman of the geme. Assuming they really watched him play, what is their metric for grading? Being at the right spot to get in the way. Maybe he does that well but he always looks lost or getting shoved back. Maybe blocking while getting shoved back is still considered a win in their books. I have no idea what they or the Niners measure

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by gored49:
Just rewatched the game. Brendel is just so bad. I know we have people defending him when he misses blocks (like John Feliciano saying we don't know his role or scheme or whatever) but when he gets beat it is so so bad. Looks lost and can't recover when he looks like he missed an assignment, gets overpowered or whiffs blocks. One play it looked like a guy threw him like a ragdoll with one hand and almost ended mckivitz's season by flying back 10 yards into the back of his legs. Truly awful. I know his job is hard and maybe he does something right but when he looks bad he looks so so bad.

I remember the play you talked about. That was just awful, a total massacre. And yes Brendel could have hurt McIvitz.
Hennessy was not incredible but he wasn't overpowered like that IMHO.

Pff just ranked him our best lineman of the geme. Assuming they really watched him play, what is their metric for grading? Being at the right spot to get in the way. Maybe he does that well but he always looks lost or getting shoved back. Maybe blocking while getting shoved back is still considered a win in their books. I have no idea what they or the Niners measure

They balance run and pass blocking. Brendel is #9 in run blocking, #10 overall. In pass protection, it is easy to spot a mistake. Hence, that is all most fans know about an offensive lineman. Run blocking, especially in Kyle's system, is hard to follow an individual player so it is hard to evaluate. So Brendel's very good rating in run blocking gets overlooked because of failures in pass protection.

Brendel needs to improve in pass blocking, but 11 of the top 15 Centers in the league grade lower in pass protection than in run blocking, in some cases, it is quite a gap. The nature of the responsibilities make PP a more difficult job.

On the one play mentioned above, it appeared Brendel turned his guy outside but tripped in the process. The result forced CMC to jump over JB to get into the hole, which the LB filled immediately. The optics looked worse than the physical play.

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by gored49:
Just rewatched the game. Brendel is just so bad. I know we have people defending him when he misses blocks (like John Feliciano saying we don't know his role or scheme or whatever) but when he gets beat it is so so bad. Looks lost and can't recover when he looks like he missed an assignment, gets overpowered or whiffs blocks. One play it looked like a guy threw him like a ragdoll with one hand and almost ended mckivitz's season by flying back 10 yards into the back of his legs. Truly awful. I know his job is hard and maybe he does something right but when he looks bad he looks so so bad.

I remember the play you talked about. That was just awful, a total massacre. And yes Brendel could have hurt McIvitz.
Hennessy was not incredible but he wasn't overpowered like that IMHO.

Pff just ranked him our best lineman of the geme. Assuming they really watched him play, what is their metric for grading? Being at the right spot to get in the way. Maybe he does that well but he always looks lost or getting shoved back. Maybe blocking while getting shoved back is still considered a win in their books. I have no idea what they or the Niners measure

Williams and Burford allowed 4 pressures each, McKivitz 3, Puni and Brendel 2 each.

So there is that.

I'm not a huge Brendel fan but I do feel some of his big detractors are a bit harsh. They also view him in a vacuum compared to a league ranking. Here is a news flash: there is a lot of bad center play in the league. So both of these things can be true: Brendel is not great, and is also a top 15 NFL center.

I've said it before in this thread but I get the feeling people must not watch the vast majority of other NFL teams/centers/ol

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by gored49:
Just rewatched the game. Brendel is just so bad. I know we have people defending him when he misses blocks (like John Feliciano saying we don't know his role or scheme or whatever) but when he gets beat it is so so bad. Looks lost and can't recover when he looks like he missed an assignment, gets overpowered or whiffs blocks. One play it looked like a guy threw him like a ragdoll with one hand and almost ended mckivitz's season by flying back 10 yards into the back of his legs. Truly awful. I know his job is hard and maybe he does something right but when he looks bad he looks so so bad.

I remember the play you talked about. That was just awful, a total massacre. And yes Brendel could have hurt McIvitz.
Hennessy was not incredible but he wasn't overpowered like that IMHO.

Pff just ranked him our best lineman of the geme. Assuming they really watched him play, what is their metric for grading? Being at the right spot to get in the way. Maybe he does that well but he always looks lost or getting shoved back. Maybe blocking while getting shoved back is still considered a win in their books. I have no idea what they or the Niners measure

Williams and Burford allowed 4 pressures each, McKivitz 3, Puni and Brendel 2 each.

So there is that.

I heard the telecast said Trent had given up 8+ pressures and the sack to Myles, were they wrong?

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
I heard the telecast said Trent had given up 8+ pressures and the sack to Myles, were they wrong?

Trent Green being wrong? Hard to fathom

Originally posted by dj43:
Time for a shout out for the OL play today. According to ESPN, here is a comparison between Cleveland and SF

--------------------Cleveland ------------- SF
Sacks allowed - 3 ----------------------- 1
TFL allowed - 5 ------------------------- 4
QB hits by 7 ------------------------- 6

Myles Garrett had just the one sack, 3 QB hits, 5 total tackles, including only 2 solo tackles.

For the 49er OL, that is a good day's work against one of the leagues' best defenses and against a scheme that has given us trouble for a decade.

So,

It was really Brock. He got pressured a lot throughout the game, but he was able to move to avoid sacks and make quick decisions.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
I heard the telecast said Trent had given up 8+ pressures and the sack to Myles, were they wrong?

Trent Green being wrong? Hard to fathom

lol I think it was Harlan that mentioned it.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by dj43:
Time for a shout out for the OL play today. According to ESPN, here is a comparison between Cleveland and SF

--------------------Cleveland ------------- SF
Sacks allowed - 3 ----------------------- 1
TFL allowed - 5 ------------------------- 4
QB hits by 7 ------------------------- 6

Myles Garrett had just the one sack, 3 QB hits, 5 total tackles, including only 2 solo tackles.

For the 49er OL, that is a good day's work against one of the leagues' best defenses and against a scheme that has given us trouble for a decade.

So,

It was really Brock. He got pressured a lot throughout the game, but he was able to move to avoid sacks and make quick decisions.

Brock is a big part of it. His sack rate this year on drop backs is around 2.5% despite going up against 2 teams in the top 5 in sacks. If he kept that up for a full season, it'd be in the top 5 lowest sack rates going back to 2010 at least.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by gored49:
Just rewatched the game. Brendel is just so bad. I know we have people defending him when he misses blocks (like John Feliciano saying we don't know his role or scheme or whatever) but when he gets beat it is so so bad. Looks lost and can't recover when he looks like he missed an assignment, gets overpowered or whiffs blocks. One play it looked like a guy threw him like a ragdoll with one hand and almost ended mckivitz's season by flying back 10 yards into the back of his legs. Truly awful. I know his job is hard and maybe he does something right but when he looks bad he looks so so bad.

I remember the play you talked about. That was just awful, a total massacre. And yes Brendel could have hurt McIvitz.
Hennessy was not incredible but he wasn't overpowered like that IMHO.

Pff just ranked him our best lineman of the geme. Assuming they really watched him play, what is their metric for grading? Being at the right spot to get in the way. Maybe he does that well but he always looks lost or getting shoved back. Maybe blocking while getting shoved back is still considered a win in their books. I have no idea what they or the Niners measure

They balance run and pass blocking. Brendel is #9 in run blocking, #10 overall. In pass protection, it is easy to spot a mistake. Hence, that is all most fans know about an offensive lineman. Run blocking, especially in Kyle's system, is hard to follow an individual player so it is hard to evaluate. So Brendel's very good rating in run blocking gets overlooked because of failures in pass protection.

Brendel needs to improve in pass blocking, but 11 of the top 15 Centers in the league grade lower in pass protection than in run blocking, in some cases, it is quite a gap. The nature of the responsibilities make PP a more difficult job.

On the one play mentioned above, it appeared Brendel turned his guy outside but tripped in the process. The result forced CMC to jump over JB to get into the hole, which the LB filled immediately. The optics looked worse than the physical play.

I'm no oline coach and I want him to be good but really feel like he doesn't pass the eye test. Run blocking score must be getting to the right spot quickly because he is always knocked back. Others may make more mistakes but if we drew a line to measure how far forward a player is getting on their run block it always feels like brendel is backwards and behind everyone… including Buford, etc

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by gored49:

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by gored49:
Just rewatched the game. Brendel is just so bad. I know we have people defending him when he misses blocks (like John Feliciano saying we don't know his role or scheme or whatever) but when he gets beat it is so so bad. Looks lost and can't recover when he looks like he missed an assignment, gets overpowered or whiffs blocks. One play it looked like a guy threw him like a ragdoll with one hand and almost ended mckivitz's season by flying back 10 yards into the back of his legs. Truly awful. I know his job is hard and maybe he does something right but when he looks bad he looks so so bad.

I remember the play you talked about. That was just awful, a total massacre. And yes Brendel could have hurt McIvitz.
Hennessy was not incredible but he wasn't overpowered like that IMHO.

Pff just ranked him our best lineman of the geme. Assuming they really watched him play, what is their metric for grading? Being at the right spot to get in the way. Maybe he does that well but he always looks lost or getting shoved back. Maybe blocking while getting shoved back is still considered a win in their books. I have no idea what they or the Niners measure

They balance run and pass blocking. Brendel is #9 in run blocking, #10 overall. In pass protection, it is easy to spot a mistake. Hence, that is all most fans know about an offensive lineman. Run blocking, especially in Kyle's system, is hard to follow an individual player so it is hard to evaluate. So Brendel's very good rating in run blocking gets overlooked because of failures in pass protection.

Brendel needs to improve in pass blocking, but 11 of the top 15 Centers in the league grade lower in pass protection than in run blocking, in some cases, it is quite a gap. The nature of the responsibilities make PP a more difficult job.

On the one play mentioned above, it appeared Brendel turned his guy outside but tripped in the process. The result forced CMC to jump over JB to get into the hole, which the LB filled immediately. The optics looked worse than the physical play.

I'm no oline coach and I want him to be good but really feel like he doesn't pass the eye test. Run blocking score must be getting to the right spot quickly because he is always knocked back. Others may make more mistakes but if we drew a line to measure how far forward a player is getting on their run block it always feels like brendel is backwards and behind everyone… including Buford, etc

The job of the Center in Kyle's system is either to pin a DL, often on a double team, or get to a LB and cut him off. This often leaves him behind a play he was instrumental in creating. This is called "running off the back" of the blocker. This is in contrast to what Trent and McKivitz are doing as being the lead blocker on outside zone plays. Look for them 5+ yards down the field with Brendel looking to cut off LB pursuit.

leading up to the game everyone thought our line would get obliterated(including me) and they didn't, also the guy who gave up the only sack was our Future HOF LT lol..... crazy stuff.