49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by tohara3:
All of our holds were on huge runs of around 10+ yards. Just very convenient by the refs it seemed to help keep Cardinals in it by shutting down 49ers drives

Yep, Johnny on the spot all season with those calls. I'm not sure any of our 3 opponents has a holding call so I'm sure that's fair

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

#NFL Rushing Touchdowns

The #49ers are the only team in the league yet to score a rushing touchdown. pic.twitter.com/a528ZjLKe2

— SFdata9ers🏈📊 (@sfdata9ers) September 23, 2025

Week 3 into the season.

Wow on that stat. Having Brock will help, he knows how to score TDs even if it's him.

McKivitz with the higher win rate than Trent.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Offensive tackle island rate and pass block win rate when on an island pic.twitter.com/vVu5O58d0W

— Timo Riske (@PFF_Moo) September 22, 2025

McKivitz with the higher win rate than Trent.

Hoping TW stays healthy, lets revisit this at the end of the season. These first 3-4 games are his preseason. That being said he never plays 17 games and they have done nothing to compensate for this.

IMO so far they have looked better in pass protection than I expected, but pretty bad in the run game.

#9 in pff offensive line rankings through 3 games.

Originally posted by mitpdub:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

#NFL Rushing Touchdowns

The #49ers are the only team in the league yet to score a rushing touchdown. pic.twitter.com/a528ZjLKe2

— SFdata9ers🏈📊 (@sfdata9ers) September 23, 2025

Week 3 into the season.

Wow on that stat. Having Brock will help, he knows how to score TDs even if it's him.

Who cares? They're 3-0.

Originally posted by miked1978:
#9 in pff offensive line rankings through 3 games.

All we've heard the past few seasons is how bad the pass protection has been. It's better this season but they aren't running as well so fans are complaining about that. Our fans will always find something to complain about. Play calling. The refs. The weather. Always something.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by tohara3:
All of our holds were on huge runs of around 10+ yards. Just very convenient by the refs it seemed to help keep Cardinals in it by shutting down 49ers drives

Yep, Johnny on the spot all season with those calls. I'm not sure any of our 3 opponents has a holding call so I'm sure that's fair

You realize that the flags are thrown at the spot of the foul and not at the end of the play right? Have you ever considered that the reason the play went for a big gain was because of the holding penalty?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by miked1978:
#9 in pff offensive line rankings through 3 games.

All we've heard the past few seasons is how bad the pass protection has been. It's better this season but they aren't running as well so fans are complaining about that. Our fans will always find something to complain about. Play calling. The refs. The weather. Always something.

So.... shut down the forums and ban humans from being..... human? lol

Originally posted by miked1978:
#9 in pff offensive line rankings through 3 games.

I have a hard time with those PFF rankings. Brendel is constantly pushed into the backfield and he apparently gave up no pressures last game.

Originally posted by northoakland510:

Originally posted by miked1978:
#9 in pff offensive line rankings through 3 games.

I have a hard time with those PFF rankings. Brendel is constantly pushed into the backfield and he apparently gave up no pressures last game.

I have seen players say when it comes to line play PFF is erroneous because they have no clue what the lineman's assignment was on a given play. He could looked amazing and have totally messed up, or vice versa etc.

I like what Baldy said awhile back - consistently every year, the top 5 o-lines usually have the 5 best centers that year. He argued this goes back decades. TW is on record saying Center is the most important in Kyles scheme because of the assignments and calls etc. I dream they find an all-pro center one day.

Originally posted by northoakland510:

Originally posted by miked1978:
#9 in pff offensive line rankings through 3 games.

I have a hard time with those PFF rankings. Brendel is constantly pushed into the backfield and he apparently gave up no pressures last game.

It has to be highly subjective just based on its nature...

I researched this one, this is what you are looking at per PFF.

400-600 full time/part time analyst that prep film and organize it for the Graders. Lord knows how long this takes...they say they have access to the bulk feed. That means all 12 to 24 cameras deployed. So it's not just watching the game 50 times to get all the players. This is worked down and isolated by the 400-600 crew.

They have 30 people that are "trained" to grade players.

Since we have no idea how long it takes to build isolated film, let's just look at the raw numbers We will go with the lowest amount on everything to build a minimum.

130-155 snaps per game so lets use 130

130 snaps x 22 players per play= 2,860 grades per game

NFL plays last between 4-7 seconds on average...lets use 5 seconds

2,860 grades per game x 5 seconds of average film= 3 hours, 58 minutes, 20 seconds of raw play time footage.

Raw play time x 16 games a week = 68 hours, 33 minutes, 22 seconds.

So our 30 graders, each have 2 hours and 7 mins of raw play time footage.

That again is after we assume that the army of 400-600 people are clipping each play down for each player in isolation from snap to whistle and provide snap data...ie...it was 3rd down and 12 yards to go....

Here is what don't know, but can likely guess on.... That that 2 hours and 7m can be multiple that by 12 to 24 camera angles Let's keep that light and go 12 cameras.. each Grader would have access to 152 hours, and 28 minutes of truncated tape to look at....let's assume half of that or less is useful.

Raw Play Time x 6 camera angles= 12 hours and 42 minutes of useful material if they only watch it ONE TIME AT FULL speed.

We know they are not watching each play 6 times from every angle at full speed....highly unlikely they are having those dudes pull a 13 hour over night shift to get this out Monday Morning.

Ok, let's say its an 8 hour shift...and there is NO BS, no team calls, no chatting, no "hey mike holy hell look at this", you can get 1 full speed view at 3 angles per play for 3.77 total views.

We know that is not really right, I am sure they are also cross referencing the data " is that a 4 yard carry or a 6 yard carry." I would assume that is done in mass by the 400-600 crew, but our grader still has to reference it...and ding ding ding...log it...they have to type something...that takes time.

What about slow motion plays, pee breaks, lunch hour..... They doing this 8 hour shift with the same attention of a Heart Surgeon? Of course not...like the rest of us you are lucky if you get 6-7 work hours out of a 8 hours shift....

What we are left with is they can't watch every play and also give it the attention it deserves.

We still have no idea how much time goes into prep work, nor quality control. Who is grading the graders and when? Before its published? I doubt it....

There is no way they could do the job we want them to do and still get it out Monday Morning....

So why is Brendell still rated so high? It is likely the "graders" care less and spend less time watching him season to season as the average fan. The Grader in theory might have that 120 snaps x 5 second with all 12 angles (2 hours) on the play...but he is not watching and re watching that 2 hours of tape on that one player...and lord knows ...he might not even have Brendel. next week...he might not even be building a week after week after week impression of Brendel like a fan would.

Originally posted by northoakland510:

Originally posted by miked1978:
#9 in pff offensive line rankings through 3 games.

I have a hard time with those PFF rankings. Brendel is constantly pushed into the backfield and he apparently gave up no pressures last game.

PFF isn't the end all ranking but i do just like to use it as a baseline. Brendel maybe getting pushed back into the backfield but so are 22 other centers in the NFL so yeah he could be ranked around the top 10.

I just don't think some of our fan base realizes how bad oline play is league wide. They see a couple teams with great olines and think every team should be like that.

Originally posted by miked1978:
PFF isn't the end all ranking but i do just like to use it as a baseline. Brendel maybe getting pushed back into the backfield but so are 22 other centers in the NFL so yeah he could be ranked around the top 10.

I just don't think some of our fan base realizes how bad oline play is league wide. They see a couple teams with great olines and think every team should be like that.

It's the Lions, Eagles and differing levels of mediocre to crap.

Lol PFF rankings... Just watch the games