49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Scoots:
What does not ignoring the offensive line look like? Reaching for players in the draft? Not hiring one of the best OL coaches in the NFL? Overpaying for players to stay at the cost of other positions?

Everybody can see that the line doesn't have stars at every position, but the idea that they "ignore" it isn't supported by the facts that they pay huge money for LT and dedicate a lot of roster space on the 53 and PS to the line, and they have a history of picking up priority UDFA OL whether they draft an OL or not.

Who would you have drafted in this recent draft that would have been better for this team this year on the line?

They could have not ignored the loaded center position in the previous year's draft instead of continually trotting Brendel out there.

This. Makes no sense

Again ... WHO? Not just a general "do something" ... do WHAT? Which player could they have drafted that would have made this team better this year and be worth the pick going forward?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by lamontb:
Burford should not be on this team

Sounds like his tape wasn't too bad. Those two plays with Bonitto definitely didn't help the appearance tho.

One good thing we have going our way is we're at the higher end of the waiver wire order so may be able to pick up some guys other teams drop. I do think if they feel we need an outside addition then it may come via trade similar to Laken Tomlinson.

Good point.

Originally posted by Scoots:
Again ... WHO? Not just a general "do something" ... do WHAT? Which player could they have drafted that would have made this team better this year and be worth the pick going forward?

Find a way to leverage New Orleans impending financial straits to acquire Erik McCoy.

Originally posted by Scoots:
Again ... WHO? Not just a general "do something" ... do WHAT? Which player could they have drafted that would have made this team better this year and be worth the pick going forward?

JOSH SIMMONS

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Scoots:
What does not ignoring the offensive line look like? Reaching for players in the draft? Not hiring one of the best OL coaches in the NFL? Overpaying for players to stay at the cost of other positions?

Everybody can see that the line doesn't have stars at every position, but the idea that they "ignore" it isn't supported by the facts that they pay huge money for LT and dedicate a lot of roster space on the 53 and PS to the line, and they have a history of picking up priority UDFA OL whether they draft an OL or not.

Who would you have drafted in this recent draft that would have been better for this team this year on the line?

They could have not ignored the loaded center position in the previous year's draft instead of continually trotting Brendel out there.

This. Makes no sense

Again ... WHO? Not just a general "do something" ... do WHAT? Which player could they have drafted that would have made this team better this year and be worth the pick going forward?

Frazier, JPJ, Limmer, Beebe, Bortolini etc. all guys that were talked about extensively leading up to last years draft

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Scoots:
What does not ignoring the offensive line look like? Reaching for players in the draft? Not hiring one of the best OL coaches in the NFL? Overpaying for players to stay at the cost of other positions?

Everybody can see that the line doesn't have stars at every position, but the idea that they "ignore" it isn't supported by the facts that they pay huge money for LT and dedicate a lot of roster space on the 53 and PS to the line, and they have a history of picking up priority UDFA OL whether they draft an OL or not.

Who would you have drafted in this recent draft that would have been better for this team this year on the line?

They could have not ignored the loaded center position in the previous year's draft instead of continually trotting Brendel out there.

This. Makes no sense

Again ... WHO? Not just a general "do something" ... do WHAT? Which player could they have drafted that would have made this team better this year and be worth the pick going forward?

The hot dog guy.. He might better than Brendel

Are you an owl?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Scoots:
What does not ignoring the offensive line look like? Reaching for players in the draft? Not hiring one of the best OL coaches in the NFL? Overpaying for players to stay at the cost of other positions?

Everybody can see that the line doesn't have stars at every position, but the idea that they "ignore" it isn't supported by the facts that they pay huge money for LT and dedicate a lot of roster space on the 53 and PS to the line, and they have a history of picking up priority UDFA OL whether they draft an OL or not.

Who would you have drafted in this recent draft that would have been better for this team this year on the line?

They could have not ignored the loaded center position in the previous year's draft instead of continually trotting Brendel out there.

This. Makes no sense

Again ... WHO? Not just a general "do something" ... do WHAT? Which player could they have drafted that would have made this team better this year and be worth the pick going forward?

Frazier, JPJ, Limmer, Beebe, Bortolini etc. all guys that were talked about extensively leading up to last years draft

Wanted Bortolini

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Scoots:
Again ... WHO? Not just a general "do something" ... do WHAT? Which player could they have drafted that would have made this team better this year and be worth the pick going forward?

JOSH SIMMONS

Instead of Williams? Or are you trading from 43 up to 31 to take him? That's going to cost two draft picks at least.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Scoots:
What does not ignoring the offensive line look like? Reaching for players in the draft? Not hiring one of the best OL coaches in the NFL? Overpaying for players to stay at the cost of other positions?

Everybody can see that the line doesn't have stars at every position, but the idea that they "ignore" it isn't supported by the facts that they pay huge money for LT and dedicate a lot of roster space on the 53 and PS to the line, and they have a history of picking up priority UDFA OL whether they draft an OL or not.

Who would you have drafted in this recent draft that would have been better for this team this year on the line?

They could have not ignored the loaded center position in the previous year's draft instead of continually trotting Brendel out there.

This. Makes no sense

Again ... WHO? Not just a general "do something" ... do WHAT? Which player could they have drafted that would have made this team better this year and be worth the pick going forward?

Frazier, JPJ, Limmer, Beebe, Bortolini etc. all guys that were talked about extensively leading up to last years draft

If you spend a high pick on a center then if he's great will be gone for his 2nd contract and if he's not then what was the point?

The question that is so often skipped in this "do something" approach to the OL is that it costs some part of Collins, Martin, Stout, Watkins, West ... and the 49ers openly believe that those players have a bigger impact on winning games than the OL on the board at those picks.

I love the idea of having studs at every position, but people seem to not understand that you can't have everything and they are intentionally relying on their offensive coaches to make that side work with later picks and focusing on athletes Saleh needs on the other side of the ball with the higher picks. Foerster actually said he thinks the team should not spend high picks on the OL.

I wish we could see all the team big boards after the draft and see where the 49ers actually had the OL listed over the years and see that they were likely just unlucky repeatedly in players they liked just not falling to their pick repeatedly. Like last year I suspect they would have jumped on Guyton instead of Pearsall but the Cowboys took him.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Scoots:
What does not ignoring the offensive line look like? Reaching for players in the draft? Not hiring one of the best OL coaches in the NFL? Overpaying for players to stay at the cost of other positions?

Everybody can see that the line doesn't have stars at every position, but the idea that they "ignore" it isn't supported by the facts that they pay huge money for LT and dedicate a lot of roster space on the 53 and PS to the line, and they have a history of picking up priority UDFA OL whether they draft an OL or not.

Who would you have drafted in this recent draft that would have been better for this team this year on the line?

They could have not ignored the loaded center position in the previous year's draft instead of continually trotting Brendel out there.

This. Makes no sense

Again ... WHO? Not just a general "do something" ... do WHAT? Which player could they have drafted that would have made this team better this year and be worth the pick going forward?

Frazier, JPJ, Limmer, Beebe, Bortolini etc. all guys that were talked about extensively leading up to last years draft

If you spend a high pick on a center then if he's great will be gone for his 2nd contract and if he's not then what was the point?

The question that is so often skipped in this "do something" approach to the OL is that it costs some part of Collins, Martin, Stout, Watkins, West ... and the 49ers openly believe that those players have a bigger impact on winning games than the OL on the board at those picks.

I love the idea of having studs at every position, but people seem to not understand that you can't have everything and they are intentionally relying on their offensive coaches to make that side work with later picks and focusing on athletes Saleh needs on the other side of the ball with the higher picks. Foerster actually said he thinks the team should not spend high picks on the OL.

I wish we could see all the team big boards after the draft and see where the 49ers actually had the OL listed over the years and see that they were likely just unlucky repeatedly in players they liked just not falling to their pick repeatedly. Like last year I suspect they would have jumped on Guyton instead of Pearsall but the Cowboys took him.

So the issue ìs that the 49ers are unlucky because OL players didnt land in their lap. They reach all the time for players. Its been stated multiple times the 49ers management and coaches do not value the OL. The convo here is that its stupid. Not sure why you constantly defend something that has ben stated in the media, on the WBZ and even contradicted in your last post. Your angle is that it is resourced and it is not. The lack of talent at the OL position is s**t and the 49ers philosophy that they can polish a turd is catching up to them.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Scoots:
What does not ignoring the offensive line look like? Reaching for players in the draft? Not hiring one of the best OL coaches in the NFL? Overpaying for players to stay at the cost of other positions?

Everybody can see that the line doesn't have stars at every position, but the idea that they "ignore" it isn't supported by the facts that they pay huge money for LT and dedicate a lot of roster space on the 53 and PS to the line, and they have a history of picking up priority UDFA OL whether they draft an OL or not.

Who would you have drafted in this recent draft that would have been better for this team this year on the line?

They could have not ignored the loaded center position in the previous year's draft instead of continually trotting Brendel out there.

This. Makes no sense

Again ... WHO? Not just a general "do something" ... do WHAT? Which player could they have drafted that would have made this team better this year and be worth the pick going forward?

Frazier, JPJ, Limmer, Beebe, Bortolini etc. all guys that were talked about extensively leading up to last years draft

If you spend a high pick on a center then if he's great will be gone for his 2nd contract and if he's not then what was the point?

The question that is so often skipped in this "do something" approach to the OL is that it costs some part of Collins, Martin, Stout, Watkins, West ... and the 49ers openly believe that those players have a bigger impact on winning games than the OL on the board at those picks.

I love the idea of having studs at every position, but people seem to not understand that you can't have everything and they are intentionally relying on their offensive coaches to make that side work with later picks and focusing on athletes Saleh needs on the other side of the ball with the higher picks. Foerster actually said he thinks the team should not spend high picks on the OL.

I wish we could see all the team big boards after the draft and see where the 49ers actually had the OL listed over the years and see that they were likely just unlucky repeatedly in players they liked just not falling to their pick repeatedly. Like last year I suspect they would have jumped on Guyton instead of Pearsall but the Cowboys took him.

This would make sense if they didn't ignore center two years ago when there were like 7 quality ones to be had, which is what Hoov and others are referring to.

I guess if you never draft a center then you never have to worry about him being great and gone before his 2nd contract either.

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Scoots:
What does not ignoring the offensive line look like? Reaching for players in the draft? Not hiring one of the best OL coaches in the NFL? Overpaying for players to stay at the cost of other positions?

Everybody can see that the line doesn't have stars at every position, but the idea that they "ignore" it isn't supported by the facts that they pay huge money for LT and dedicate a lot of roster space on the 53 and PS to the line, and they have a history of picking up priority UDFA OL whether they draft an OL or not.

Who would you have drafted in this recent draft that would have been better for this team this year on the line?

They could have not ignored the loaded center position in the previous year's draft instead of continually trotting Brendel out there.

This. Makes no sense

Again ... WHO? Not just a general "do something" ... do WHAT? Which player could they have drafted that would have made this team better this year and be worth the pick going forward?

Frazier, JPJ, Limmer, Beebe, Bortolini etc. all guys that were talked about extensively leading up to last years draft

If you spend a high pick on a center then if he's great will be gone for his 2nd contract and if he's not then what was the point?

The question that is so often skipped in this "do something" approach to the OL is that it costs some part of Collins, Martin, Stout, Watkins, West ... and the 49ers openly believe that those players have a bigger impact on winning games than the OL on the board at those picks.

I love the idea of having studs at every position, but people seem to not understand that you can't have everything and they are intentionally relying on their offensive coaches to make that side work with later picks and focusing on athletes Saleh needs on the other side of the ball with the higher picks. Foerster actually said he thinks the team should not spend high picks on the OL.

I wish we could see all the team big boards after the draft and see where the 49ers actually had the OL listed over the years and see that they were likely just unlucky repeatedly in players they liked just not falling to their pick repeatedly. Like last year I suspect they would have jumped on Guyton instead of Pearsall but the Cowboys took him.

>>If you spend a high pick on a center then if he's great will be gone for his 2nd contract and if he's not then what was the point?

WTF? So your basic argument is that it is silly to try and select a stud OL in the draft because we may not be able to afford them after their rookie contract is up 5 years later? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.....NOT.

Originally posted by Scoots:
If you spend a high pick on a center then if he's great will be gone for his 2nd contract and if he's not then what was the point?

The question that is so often skipped in this "do something" approach to the OL is that it costs some part of Collins, Martin, Stout, Watkins, West ... and the 49ers openly believe that those players have a bigger impact on winning games than the OL on the board at those picks.

I love the idea of having studs at every position, but people seem to not understand that you can't have everything and they are intentionally relying on their offensive coaches to make that side work with later picks and focusing on athletes Saleh needs on the other side of the ball with the higher picks. Foerster actually said he thinks the team should not spend high picks on the OL.

I wish we could see all the team big boards after the draft and see where the 49ers actually had the OL listed over the years and see that they were likely just unlucky repeatedly in players they liked just not falling to their pick repeatedly. Like last year I suspect they would have jumped on Guyton instead of Pearsall but the Cowboys took him.

No he won't be gone. They literally made Weston one of the highest paid centers in FA. They will pay a OL IF they're worth it. Banks was most certainly not worth it. McG wasn't worth it and they had half a dozen other big contracts to dish out at that point.

Bortolini was a 4th rd pick as well…I think most fans are saying for the love of god spend some legit draft capital on the position. Doesn't have to be a 1st rd pick. Doesn't always have to be late day 3 picks and UDFAs either.

It's also not about having "studs" at every position, it's about infusing some damn talent into a position group that has clearly been neglected for a couple seasons.

I don't think they wanted Guyton, I do think they wanted Rosengarten in the 2nd though.

It's strange that the sport that has the most injuries and is the most likely to play a lot of backups is the only one with a hard cap which makes it hard to sign and keep quality backups. The days of teams like the 49ers, Cowboys, Giants etc stockpiling quality at every position are long gone.

Most teams now struggle to build a quality O line because college isn't turning out a lot of NFL ready players. That makes building depth even harder. Teams that are able to keep their O line together have a big advantage since continuity is important. The O line functions as a unit with coordinated blocking schemes and the more these guys play together the better they function.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Scoots:

Originally posted by lamontb:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by Scoots:
What does not ignoring the offensive line look like? Reaching for players in the draft? Not hiring one of the best OL coaches in the NFL? Overpaying for players to stay at the cost of other positions?

Everybody can see that the line doesn't have stars at every position, but the idea that they "ignore" it isn't supported by the facts that they pay huge money for LT and dedicate a lot of roster space on the 53 and PS to the line, and they have a history of picking up priority UDFA OL whether they draft an OL or not.

Who would you have drafted in this recent draft that would have been better for this team this year on the line?

They could have not ignored the loaded center position in the previous year's draft instead of continually trotting Brendel out there.

This. Makes no sense

Again ... WHO? Not just a general "do something" ... do WHAT? Which player could they have drafted that would have made this team better this year and be worth the pick going forward?

Frazier, JPJ, Limmer, Beebe, Bortolini etc. all guys that were talked about extensively leading up to last years draft

If you spend a high pick on a center then if he's great will be gone for his 2nd contract and if he's not then what was the point?

The question that is so often skipped in this "do something" approach to the OL is that it costs some part of Collins, Martin, Stout, Watkins, West ... and the 49ers openly believe that those players have a bigger impact on winning games than the OL on the board at those picks.

I love the idea of having studs at every position, but people seem to not understand that you can't have everything and they are intentionally relying on their offensive coaches to make that side work with later picks and focusing on athletes Saleh needs on the other side of the ball with the higher picks. Foerster actually said he thinks the team should not spend high picks on the OL.

I wish we could see all the team big boards after the draft and see where the 49ers actually had the OL listed over the years and see that they were likely just unlucky repeatedly in players they liked just not falling to their pick repeatedly. Like last year I suspect they would have jumped on Guyton instead of Pearsall but the Cowboys took him.

So the issue ìs that the 49ers are unlucky because OL players didnt land in their lap. They reach all the time for players. Its been stated multiple times the 49ers management and coaches do not value the OL. The convo here is that its stupid. Not sure why you constantly defend something that has ben stated in the media, on the WBZ and even contradicted in your last post. Your angle is that it is resourced and it is not. The lack of talent at the OL position is s**t and the 49ers philosophy that they can polish a turd is catching up to them.

Because it's not true? Trent is paid very well, they just don't want to invest big in multiple OL players. It's not that they don't value it, it's that they value it different than you do.

They spent picks on McGlinchey and Banks and what did the team get for them? A few years, then they left. Was McGlinchey significantly better than McKivitz? I'd say no. Is Bartch going to perform significantly worse than Banks? Probably not.

The problem is it's not a simple problem. People like to say "but the OL!!!!!" but don't have real solutions that "solve" the problem without creating a bunch of other issues along the way.

We remember the failures and dismiss the successes.

If Dee Winters is great this year the fact that the team invested years to get him here as well as the fact that they also spent time on Curtis Robinson, Tatum Bethune, and Jalen Graham fades out of people's awareness. The same approach that they used on McKivitz, Burford, Nugent, and now Colby and Moss.