49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by dj43:
It will all depend on value. Either OL or ID, depending on who is on the board when we pick. Last year we were ready to pick Rosengarten until Minnesota picked him just in front of us. The drop-off to the next OL was dramatic so we took Pearsall. That is the luck of the draft.

Rosengarten was taken in 2nd.

Correct. My brain took a short vacation.

if we mock the top of the draft, we see carter and mason gone. so that means we might get a tackle.

Texas or LSU

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
If we don't draft an OLine guy within the first 2 picks, Heads should roll.

Simply drafting a rookie o-line guy shouldn't be the goal. Gotta get the right guys F/A or Draft. Can't just get a guy, rookie o-linman probably won't play year 1.

OF COURSE we have to get the right guys! Duh.

and if the there are no right guys in the first 2 picks..heads should still roll ?

No!

IMO, there are a few "right guys."

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
If we don't draft an OLine guy within the first 2 picks, Heads should roll.

It will all depend on value. Either OL or ID, depending on who is on the board when we pick. Last year we were ready to pick Rosengarten until Minnesota picked him just in front of us. The drop-off to the next OL was dramatic so we took Pearsall. That is the luck of the draft.

Totally agree.

I should have clarified my post.

At 11 there a 3 guys that would be OT's who'd be of value.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
If we don't draft an OLine guy within the first 2 picks, Heads should roll.

It will all depend on value. Either OL or ID, depending on who is on the board when we pick. Last year we were ready to pick Rosengarten until Minnesota picked him just in front of us. The drop-off to the next OL was dramatic so we took Pearsall. That is the luck of the draft.

Totally agree.

I should have clarified my post.

At 11 there a 3 guys that would be OT's who'd be of value.

What? ...there are some that are saying this OL draft is garbage and nothing worth their value until at least the 51 pick...gurus.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by dj43:
It will all depend on value. Either OL or ID, depending on who is on the board when we pick. Last year we were ready to pick Rosengarten until Minnesota picked him just in front of us. The drop-off to the next OL was dramatic so we took Pearsall. That is the luck of the draft.

Rosengarten was taken in 2nd.

Yup. I think we have two good ones in Pearsall and Green. Just hope it doesn't come back to bite us.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
If we don't draft an OLine guy within the first 2 picks, Heads should roll.

It will all depend on value. Either OL or ID, depending on who is on the board when we pick. Last year we were ready to pick Rosengarten until Minnesota picked him just in front of us. The drop-off to the next OL was dramatic so we took Pearsall. That is the luck of the draft.

Totally agree.

I should have clarified my post.

At 11 there a 3 guys that would be OT's who'd be of value.

What? ...there are some that are saying this OL draft is garbage and nothing worth their value until at least the 51 pick...gurus.

Not true.

Josh Simmons, Will Campbell, Kelvin Banks are 1st round certainties and I'd love to get one of them - I like Banks.

Ersery in the 2nd would be very good for us.

That said, "IF" we could get DT Mason Graham - I'd do cartwheels - He's exceptional.

Center is the big issue. Here are the current UFAs by their overall PFF rankings with the PP and Rblk ratings, plus their current APY salaries:

#4 - Drew Dalman ----- 67 - 84 - $1 million. Obviously will get a big bump in cash.
#12 - Ryan Kelly ---------- 72 - 64 - $12,5 million.
#13 - Coleman Shelton - 68 - 67 - $3 million.
#17 - Jake Brendel ------ 51 - 71 - $4.7 million.
#29 - Brad Bozeman ---- 51 - 65 - $1.1 million.
#38 - Josh Myers -------- 63 - 57 - $1.3 million.

Based on this analysis, Brendel's pay is right in balance with his overall ranking. To get better, the most logical prospect is Shelton. He is equally good in both pass protection and run blocking. Is he a scheme fit? I haven't watched enought to know. He will be 30 by mid-season. Will Ben Johnson let him go? IDK.

Dalman is the obvious "want", but at 26, he will attract a high market price. $10 million will be starting price for the bidding. He will go higher than that.

Matt Hennesey only played 16 snaps this past season. He will be in camp to compete for the job but with his injury history, he can't be relied on. Drake Nugent will be back but he didn't play at all this year. ???

Originally posted by dj43:
Center is the big issue. Here are the current UFAs by their overall PFF rankings with the PP and Rblk ratings, plus their current APY salaries:

#4 - Drew Dalman ----- 67 - 84 - $1 million. Obviously will get a big bump in cash.
#12 - Ryan Kelly ---------- 72 - 64 - $12,5 million.
#13 - Coleman Shelton - 68 - 67 - $3 million.
#17 - Jake Brendel ------ 51 - 71 - $4.7 million.
#29 - Brad Bozeman ---- 51 - 65 - $1.1 million.
#38 - Josh Myers -------- 63 - 57 - $1.3 million.

Based on this analysis, Brendel's pay is right in balance with his overall ranking. To get better, the most logical prospect is Shelton. He is equally good in both pass protection and run blocking. Is he a scheme fit? I haven't watched enought to know. He will be 30 by mid-season. Will Ben Johnson let him go? IDK.

Dalman is the obvious "want", but at 26, he will attract a high market price. $10 million will be starting price for the bidding. He will go higher than that.

Matt Hennesey only played 16 snaps this past season. He will be in camp to compete for the job but with his injury history, he can't be relied on. Drake Nugent will be back but he didn't play at all this year. ???

Very good analysis...Is it Dalman or bust? If not, is Shelton or Kelly somebody we can use? If not is it luck of the draft. I don't know the latter two mentioned.

I agree center is extremely important this offseason.

Here are some videos on Dalman. I haven't watched them yet, but I will later. Someone can watch it and see if hes any good, as one of the videos is him against the Eagles which have the #1 defense.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by dj43:
Center is the big issue. Here are the current UFAs by their overall PFF rankings with the PP and Rblk ratings, plus their current APY salaries:

#4 - Drew Dalman ----- 67 - 84 - $1 million. Obviously will get a big bump in cash.
#12 - Ryan Kelly ---------- 72 - 64 - $12,5 million.
#13 - Coleman Shelton - 68 - 67 - $3 million.
#17 - Jake Brendel ------ 51 - 71 - $4.7 million.
#29 - Brad Bozeman ---- 51 - 65 - $1.1 million.
#38 - Josh Myers -------- 63 - 57 - $1.3 million.

Based on this analysis, Brendel's pay is right in balance with his overall ranking. To get better, the most logical prospect is Shelton. He is equally good in both pass protection and run blocking. Is he a scheme fit? I haven't watched enought to know. He will be 30 by mid-season. Will Ben Johnson let him go? IDK.

Dalman is the obvious "want", but at 26, he will attract a high market price. $10 million will be starting price for the bidding. He will go higher than that.

Matt Hennesey only played 16 snaps this past season. He will be in camp to compete for the job but with his injury history, he can't be relied on. Drake Nugent will be back but he didn't play at all this year. ???

Very good analysis...Is it Dalman or bust? If not, is Shelton or Kelly somebody we can use? If not is it luck of the draft. I don't know the latter two mentioned.

I agree center is extremely important this offseason.

It's all about how much you want to improve and how much you are willing to spend to get there.

Here is a list of the top Centers in the league who are on their second contract now.

Creed Humphrey - $18 million
Frank Ragnow - $13.5 million
Froholdt - $6 million
Aaron Brewer - $7 million
McGovern - $7.4 million.
Mixed into that group are four guys who are still on their rookie deals and will all push the bar up when they get to their 2nd contract. Those numbers will push Dalman's price into the $12-14 million range, IMO.
Kelly won't get to the market. I doubt Shelton will either.

That leaves us with a rookie, which is not a bad deal. Zach Frazier (we took Green) was very good in his first year. Tyler Lindebaum was a high pick - we won't use a 1st or 2nd on a Center, IDK.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by dj43:
Center is the big issue. Here are the current UFAs by their overall PFF rankings with the PP and Rblk ratings, plus their current APY salaries:

#4 - Drew Dalman ----- 67 - 84 - $1 million. Obviously will get a big bump in cash.
#12 - Ryan Kelly ---------- 72 - 64 - $12,5 million.
#13 - Coleman Shelton - 68 - 67 - $3 million.
#17 - Jake Brendel ------ 51 - 71 - $4.7 million.
#29 - Brad Bozeman ---- 51 - 65 - $1.1 million.
#38 - Josh Myers -------- 63 - 57 - $1.3 million.

Based on this analysis, Brendel's pay is right in balance with his overall ranking. To get better, the most logical prospect is Shelton. He is equally good in both pass protection and run blocking. Is he a scheme fit? I haven't watched enought to know. He will be 30 by mid-season. Will Ben Johnson let him go? IDK.

Dalman is the obvious "want", but at 26, he will attract a high market price. $10 million will be starting price for the bidding. He will go higher than that.

Matt Hennesey only played 16 snaps this past season. He will be in camp to compete for the job but with his injury history, he can't be relied on. Drake Nugent will be back but he didn't play at all this year. ???

Very good analysis...Is it Dalman or bust? If not, is Shelton or Kelly somebody we can use? If not is it luck of the draft. I don't know the latter two mentioned.

I agree center is extremely important this offseason.

It's all about how much you want to improve and how much you are willing to spend to get there.

Here is a list of the top Centers in the league who are on their second contract now.

Creed Humphrey - $18 million
Frank Ragnow - $13.5 million
Froholdt - $6 million
Aaron Brewer - $7 million
McGovern - $7.4 million.
Mixed into that group are four guys who are still on their rookie deals and will all push the bar up when they get to their 2nd contract. Those numbers will push Dalman's price into the $12-14 million range, IMO.
Kelly won't get to the market. I doubt Shelton will either.

That leaves us with a rookie, which is not a bad deal. Zach Frazier (we took Green) was very good in his first year. Tyler Lindebaum was a high pick - we won't use a 1st or 2nd on a Center, IDK.

I wouldn't mind Dalman at 12 mil, watching some video of him he seems pretty good. Not the best overall center but, above average and will improve our oline so much. Just going by the PFF rankings hes a tad better pass protector than Frank Ragnow, but isn't as good as Frank in run blocking. He's still impressive in run blocking though. Hes young at 26 and can still improve, also his dad has ties to one our 49ers superbowl winning teams. With that being said, he might be going for more than we want to pay.

PFF ---PassP- Rblk---- for comparsion to a great center.

Dalman ---- 67 - 80 ----
Ragnow ---- 64 - 91 ----

It's PFF so theres that.

My ideal fix for the Oline would be sign Dalman, then throw a little money at Mekhi Becton or Kevin Zeitler both shouldn't cost too much since they're both playing on cheap 1 year contracts right now. After that draft a RT/LT for the future giving us a line up possibility of...

Trent - Zeitler/Becton - Dalman - Puni - Draft Pick

PFF of Zeitler and Becton:

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/kevin-zeitler/7032

https://www.pff.com/nfl/players/mekhi-becton/59818

That would be a pretty formidable offensive line imo, especially if we hit big on the draft pick too. This is all a pipe dream since we really don't know what the front office will do regarding our oline, so I just wanted give my 2 cents.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Percentile scores of the 49ers' offensive line (pass-block efficiency and PFF run-block grade...

-Interior pass pro below average
-McKivitz ($6m) presents real value
-Ben Bartch, Nick Zakelj both took very intriguing strides

Full State of 49ers OL: https://t.co/pc28QqKTuD pic.twitter.com/rbesmhCWGH

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) January 29, 2025

Yikes, puni is rough in pass blocking?