49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
never heard of tier 1 until today in this thread.. wth is that ? new name for #1 ranked OL like years past ?

It was introduced because PHI was #1 last year and didn't win

oh, moving the goal posts..

how many teams are in these tiers ?

2. Sometimes 3. For instance, only 2 are in the OL tier 1 this year. 3 on defense (including SF). Sometimes just 1.

Last year it was 2 OL: Eagles and Chiefs in tier 1. Chiefs got no lower than 3.

whats this years, Hoov mentioned Det ?

Where are these tiers coming from?

This year to 'start.'

Tier 1:
Eagles and Lions for OL
Cowboys, 9ers and Steelers for DL

https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-offensive-line-rankings/
You
https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-defensive-line-rankings/

All will be reevaluated mid season and again going into the playoffs.

do you think it's wise to post pay sites as your source of truth when you don't read the entire articles because you, admittedly, don't ever pay for pay sites?

Do you need to pay to see the free tier 1's listed every time? LOL

Also, follow Brandon. He usually reveals a ton.

The 'pay' portion is used for specific weekly matchups, FF and betting. YAC would benefit from it as he uses a similar formula.

So you also feel Lions are Tier 1 ?

It's hard to argue against their expertise and history.

Did you read their assessment of why they have them in tier 1?

Would that be enough to elevate Goff to playing at a tier 1 level as well? Highly unlikely but he did have a nice second half of the season IIRC.

so would you bet on Det ?

Of course not. You need both. Why is this so hard to understand? LOL

Is it possible Goff gets hot at the right time and plays like a tier 1 QB through the playoffs? Sure...we've seen it before. But it's unlikely too.

it's hard to understand because you keep changing all the criteria on purpose

So now it's Tier 1 OL instead of #1 OL, but you won't stand by your theory with Det. another weak move by NC

When you say you need both, what is that exactly? Don't dance around just say it.

Comprehension is missing you, my friend.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
never heard of tier 1 until today in this thread.. wth is that ? new name for #1 ranked OL like years past ?

It was introduced because PHI was #1 last year and didn't win

oh, moving the goal posts..

how many teams are in these tiers ?

2. Sometimes 3. For instance, only 2 are in the OL tier 1 this year. 3 on defense (including SF). Sometimes just 1.

Last year it was 2 OL: Eagles and Chiefs in tier 1. Chiefs got no lower than 3.

whats this years, Hoov mentioned Det ?

Where are these tiers coming from?

This year to 'start.'

Tier 1:
Eagles and Lions for OL
Cowboys, 9ers and Steelers for DL

https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-offensive-line-rankings/
You
https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-defensive-line-rankings/

All will be reevaluated mid season and again going into the playoffs.

do you think it's wise to post pay sites as your source of truth when you don't read the entire articles because you, admittedly, don't ever pay for pay sites?

Do you need to pay to see the free tier 1's listed every time? LOL

Also, follow Brandon. He usually reveals a ton.

The 'pay' portion is used for specific weekly matchups, FF and betting. YAC would benefit from it as he uses a similar formula.

So you also feel Lions are Tier 1 ?

It's hard to argue against their expertise and history.

Did you read their assessment of why they have them in tier 1?

Would that be enough to elevate Goff to playing at a tier 1 level as well? Highly unlikely but he did have a nice second half of the season IIRC.

so would you bet on Det ?

Of course not. You need both. Why is this so hard to understand? LOL

Is it possible Goff gets hot at the right time and plays like a tier 1 QB through the playoffs? Sure...we've seen it before. But it's unlikely too.

it's hard to understand because you keep changing all the criteria on purpose

So now it's Tier 1 OL instead of #1 OL, but you won't stand by your theory with Det. another weak move by NC

When you say you need both, what is that exactly? Don't dance around just say it.

Comprehension is missing you, my friend.

stop dancing around and say it

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Why would I even want to read about a tier 3 OL ranking anyhow? That's never been my angle. If those were winning Superbowls teams, OK. But they aren't.

Ok. Well good to know you dont read the material you post and cite lol

I read tier 1. That's all that's mattered. That'll probably be the case this year too.

You said all the same stuff last year at this time.

So do you even know what's beyond those 2 that you get to see for free? Like is there more to tier 1?

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let me know when that happens. It's been a while. I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm saying this gives you the best odds and THAT has absolutely been proven.

For all the talk of mobile QB's and defense wins Championships, this combo has certainly trumped both.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup. If you have all 3, you've got dynasty potential.

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's the problem. I've been saying it for years and a handful of you still don't get it. LOL.

But that's OK. It keeps it entertaining in here for me!

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup. If you have all 3, you've got dynasty potential.

You have dynasty potential if you are top 3 at every position? You don't say.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Let me know when that happens. It's been a while. I'm not saying it can't happen. I'm saying this gives you the best odds and THAT has absolutely been proven.

For all the talk of mobile QB's and defense wins Championships, this combo has certainly trumped both.

Well this last superbowl your tier one OL played like a tier 4/5 all playoffs and still won.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
That's the problem. I've been saying it for years and a handful of you still don't get it. LOL.

But that's OK. It keeps it entertaining in here for me!

Yet you will continually come back to not having a tier one OL cost us multiple titles. So the reality is you don't believe you need both just one and a tier 3 qb is good enough.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Why would I even want to read about a tier 3 OL ranking anyhow? That's never been my angle. If those were winning Superbowls teams, OK. But they aren't.

Ok. Well good to know you dont read the material you post and cite lol

I read tier 1. That's all that's mattered. That'll probably be the case this year too.

You said all the same stuff last year at this time.

So do you even know what's beyond those 2 that you get to see for free? Like is there more to tier 1?

Yeah, a bunch of teams who won't win the Superbowl. Haha.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
never heard of tier 1 until today in this thread.. wth is that ? new name for #1 ranked OL like years past ?

It was introduced because PHI was #1 last year and didn't win

oh, moving the goal posts..

how many teams are in these tiers ?

2. Sometimes 3. For instance, only 2 are in the OL tier 1 this year. 3 on defense (including SF). Sometimes just 1.

Last year it was 2 OL: Eagles and Chiefs in tier 1. Chiefs got no lower than 3.

whats this years, Hoov mentioned Det ?

Where are these tiers coming from?

This year to 'start.'

Tier 1:
Eagles and Lions for OL
Cowboys, 9ers and Steelers for DL

https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-offensive-line-rankings/
You
https://establishtherun.com/thorn-2023-defensive-line-rankings/

All will be reevaluated mid season and again going into the playoffs.

do you think it's wise to post pay sites as your source of truth when you don't read the entire articles because you, admittedly, don't ever pay for pay sites?

Do you need to pay to see the free tier 1's listed every time? LOL

Also, follow Brandon. He usually reveals a ton.

The 'pay' portion is used for specific weekly matchups, FF and betting. YAC would benefit from it as he uses a similar formula.

So you also feel Lions are Tier 1 ?

It's hard to argue against their expertise and history.

Did you read their assessment of why they have them in tier 1?

Would that be enough to elevate Goff to playing at a tier 1 level as well? Highly unlikely but he did have a nice second half of the season IIRC.

so would you bet on Det ?

Of course not. You need both. Why is this so hard to understand? LOL

Is it possible Goff gets hot at the right time and plays like a tier 1 QB through the playoffs? Sure...we've seen it before. But it's unlikely too.

it's hard to understand because you keep changing all the criteria on purpose

So now it's Tier 1 OL instead of #1 OL, but you won't stand by your theory with Det. another weak move by NC

When you say you need both, what is that exactly? Don't dance around just say it.

Comprehension is missing you, my friend.

stop dancing around and say it

That's the problem. I've been saying it for years and a handful of you still don't get it. LOL.

But that's OK. It keeps it entertaining in here for me!

Originally posted by NCommand:
Gonna disagree with you on that one.

Originally posted by NCommand:
We never had either. No tier 1 OL or QB. That was the real problem. We went as far as we could.