49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well, sure, that's what AB81 and I were talking about earlier in the year. They can keep everybody, *IF* they backload a lot of the major core player deals. I have a feeling though that Paraag won't go for that and hold his ground. I understand that position too. it endangers the long-term prospects of a healthy cap and a vibrant football squad. If the 49ers continue to hit on the draft - we can lose some of our star players and still win games. All playoff team's star players are going to get raided. Look at the Eagles and the Chiefs, and us. It's a yearly event. Blame it on Eddie D's five Lombardi's.

I feel like the Chiefs dont get raided enough

Yeah, I also feel that way. If anything ever happens to Foerster, I hope we raid Andy's offensive line coaching staff for some talent. I think his OLined coaches are underrated.

Mahomes running around, getting hurt and making unbelievable throws is all OL scheme?

No but two Superbowls do.

Lol, OL didn't win those

No but the Chiefs did.

that doesn't make every person on the staff great

Reid's a good OLine coach. Good OLine coaches know other good OLine coaches and tend to hire them on his staff.

like i said earlier.. mahomes running around the whole time is good ?

i don't think the Chiefs win if they didn't have mahomes

If you don't have a good OLine, Mahomes can't even play QB. Pat lost to Tom because his OLine was decimated in that super bowl game. Persons was playing guard and got dominated by Chris Jones. You don't have a good OLine, you won't have a decent football team. The WCO starts with the OLine.

Pat lost to Tom because Pat had 3 TD passes dropped, if those were completed.. you think the OL dominated

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Pat lost to Tom because Pat had 3 TD passes dropped, if those were completed.. you think the OL dominated

lol 3 TD passes dropped, he was getting his butt ruthlessly kicked all night. He had zero TDs in 60 mins. Where were the drops? He was trying to throw parallel to the playing surface for half that game.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Pat lost to Tom because Pat had 3 TD passes dropped, if those were completed.. you think the OL dominated

lol 3 TD passes dropped, he was getting his butt ruthlessly kicked all night. He had zero TDs in 60 mins. Where were the drops? He was trying to throw parallel to the playing surface for half that game.

some of you guys need to watch the game

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Pat lost to Tom because Pat had 3 TD passes dropped, if those were completed.. you think the OL dominated

lol 3 TD passes dropped, he was getting his butt ruthlessly kicked all night. He had zero TDs in 60 mins. Where were the drops? He was trying to throw parallel to the playing surface for half that game.

Agree 💯%.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well, sure, that's what AB81 and I were talking about earlier in the year. They can keep everybody, *IF* they backload a lot of the major core player deals. I have a feeling though that Paraag won't go for that and hold his ground. I understand that position too. it endangers the long-term prospects of a healthy cap and a vibrant football squad. If the 49ers continue to hit on the draft - we can lose some of our star players and still win games. All playoff team's star players are going to get raided. Look at the Eagles and the Chiefs, and us. It's a yearly event. Blame it on Eddie D's five Lombardi's.

I feel like the Chiefs dont get raided enough

Yeah, I also feel that way. If anything ever happens to Foerster, I hope we raid Andy's offensive line coaching staff for some talent. I think his OLined coaches are underrated.

Mahomes running around, getting hurt and making unbelievable throws is all OL scheme?

LOL. The only time he had to "run around" was when he lost 9-31.

so you don't count the other times cause he won.. that's very double standarded of you

Problem is that when the SB with the Niners is brought up, he ignores how bad the OL was Then when he brings up the SB vs Bucs he fails to acknowledge that the OL was absolutely decimated with injuries across the board. Or like last year j just disregard what occurred in the playoffs prior, as if they played flawless

No matter how poorly they actually play throughout the playoffs, they are the #1 O line if the team wins the SB.

Cheif's OLine did a decent job against a pretty good Eagles DLine in the last game of the season, Just saying...

If you ignore the fact that field conditions favored pass pro. Sure. KC's pass rush may have had 2 sacks in the SB but it was for only a total of 2 yards lossed. Who knows what that O line would have looked like on a better field.

What the OLine would have looked on a better field is sheer speculation. What actually happened is that the KC OLine did a whole lot better than the Eagles DLine - and that was a big key to winning that game. Who's to not to say that the KC OLine made it *look* like the field position was crap for the Eagles.

Actually that O line gave up a pressure on over 1/3 of Mahomes dropbacks. Between the field conditions slowing those pass rushers down and Mahomes scrambling on 4 separate occasions made things look better than they acyually were for that O line.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well, sure, that's what AB81 and I were talking about earlier in the year. They can keep everybody, *IF* they backload a lot of the major core player deals. I have a feeling though that Paraag won't go for that and hold his ground. I understand that position too. it endangers the long-term prospects of a healthy cap and a vibrant football squad. If the 49ers continue to hit on the draft - we can lose some of our star players and still win games. All playoff team's star players are going to get raided. Look at the Eagles and the Chiefs, and us. It's a yearly event. Blame it on Eddie D's five Lombardi's.

I feel like the Chiefs dont get raided enough

Yeah, I also feel that way. If anything ever happens to Foerster, I hope we raid Andy's offensive line coaching staff for some talent. I think his OLined coaches are underrated.

Mahomes running around, getting hurt and making unbelievable throws is all OL scheme?

LOL. The only time he had to "run around" was when he lost 9-31.

so you don't count the other times cause he won.. that's very double standarded of you

Problem is that when the SB with the Niners is brought up, he ignores how bad the OL was Then when he brings up the SB vs Bucs he fails to acknowledge that the OL was absolutely decimated with injuries across the board. Or like last year j just disregard what occurred in the playoffs prior, as if they played flawless

No matter how poorly they actually play throughout the playoffs, they are the #1 O line if the team wins the SB.

Cheif's OLine did a decent job against a pretty good Eagles DLine in the last game of the season, Just saying...

If you ignore the fact that field conditions favored pass pro. Sure. KC's pass rush may have had 2 sacks in the SB but it was for only a total of 2 yards lossed. Who knows what that O line would have looked like on a better field.

What the OLine would have looked on a better field is sheer speculation. What actually happened is that the KC OLine did a whole lot better than the Eagles DLine - and that was a big key to winning that game. Who's to not to say that the KC OLine made it *look* like the field position was crap for the Eagles.

Actually that O line gave up a pressure on over 1/3 of Mahomes dropbacks. Between the field conditions slowing those pass rushers down and Mahomes scrambling on 4 separate occasions made things look better than they acyually were for that O line.

Well, again, all timing and precision offenses start with the OLine, the protections and the scheme. But the OLine is key to all offenses be they run or pass. POint being, that OLine better protect the franchise QB otherwise you'll have another Andrew "Brock Purdy" Luck situation, where Brock retires early. You get to the playoffs by having a top of the line OLine and DLine. Pretty much most (if not all) the playoff teams have that in common.

49ers kept 4 TE's after the 53 man cut - so - for now Brock is going to be decently protected behind our current OLine, via a two TE set. At least that's how I'm reading Kyle's adjustments on offense for Brock. Next year, (or maybe even before the trade deadline) I'm hoping for a blockbuster trade for a Rashaun Slater type level OLine talent for peanuts like the CMC trade, We shall see.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well, sure, that's what AB81 and I were talking about earlier in the year. They can keep everybody, *IF* they backload a lot of the major core player deals. I have a feeling though that Paraag won't go for that and hold his ground. I understand that position too. it endangers the long-term prospects of a healthy cap and a vibrant football squad. If the 49ers continue to hit on the draft - we can lose some of our star players and still win games. All playoff team's star players are going to get raided. Look at the Eagles and the Chiefs, and us. It's a yearly event. Blame it on Eddie D's five Lombardi's.

I feel like the Chiefs dont get raided enough

Yeah, I also feel that way. If anything ever happens to Foerster, I hope we raid Andy's offensive line coaching staff for some talent. I think his OLined coaches are underrated.

Mahomes running around, getting hurt and making unbelievable throws is all OL scheme?

LOL. The only time he had to "run around" was when he lost 9-31.

so you don't count the other times cause he won.. that's very double standarded of you

Problem is that when the SB with the Niners is brought up, he ignores how bad the OL was Then when he brings up the SB vs Bucs he fails to acknowledge that the OL was absolutely decimated with injuries across the board. Or like last year j just disregard what occurred in the playoffs prior, as if they played flawless

No matter how poorly they actually play throughout the playoffs, they are the #1 O line if the team wins the SB.

Cheif's OLine did a decent job against a pretty good Eagles DLine in the last game of the season, Just saying...

If you ignore the fact that field conditions favored pass pro. Sure. KC's pass rush may have had 2 sacks in the SB but it was for only a total of 2 yards lossed. Who knows what that O line would have looked like on a better field.

What the OLine would have looked on a better field is sheer speculation. What actually happened is that the KC OLine did a whole lot better than the Eagles DLine - and that was a big key to winning that game. Who's to not to say that the KC OLine made it *look* like the field position was crap for the Eagles.

Agreed. That's a really weak argument to me. Philly, a team with historic pass rush totals playing in inclement weather, suddenly couldn't pass rush?

No. KC's OL, who also played on that field, was >>> than Philly's front 7 AND Mahomes made the most of the breakdowns but also, always had room to move towards unlike we see here often when the entire unit collapses instantly esp. when it matters.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Agreed. That's a really weak argument to me. Philly, a team with historic pass rush totals playing in inclement weather, suddenly couldn't pass rush?

No. KC's OL, who also played on that field, was >>> than Philly's front 7 AND Mahomes made the most of the breakdowns but also, always had room to move towards unlike we see here often when the entire unit collapses instantly esp. when it matters.

They did pass rush. Mahomes was pressured on nearly 40% of his drop backs lol

This o line scares me. I'm really concerned about the run blocking. They can not afford any injuries at all.

One injury away from a bottom 10 OL and one injury away from a bottom 10 DL.

Not sure how anyone can call this team Super Bowl contending.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well, sure, that's what AB81 and I were talking about earlier in the year. They can keep everybody, *IF* they backload a lot of the major core player deals. I have a feeling though that Paraag won't go for that and hold his ground. I understand that position too. it endangers the long-term prospects of a healthy cap and a vibrant football squad. If the 49ers continue to hit on the draft - we can lose some of our star players and still win games. All playoff team's star players are going to get raided. Look at the Eagles and the Chiefs, and us. It's a yearly event. Blame it on Eddie D's five Lombardi's.

I feel like the Chiefs dont get raided enough

Yeah, I also feel that way. If anything ever happens to Foerster, I hope we raid Andy's offensive line coaching staff for some talent. I think his OLined coaches are underrated.

Mahomes running around, getting hurt and making unbelievable throws is all OL scheme?

LOL. The only time he had to "run around" was when he lost 9-31.

so you don't count the other times cause he won.. that's very double standarded of you

Problem is that when the SB with the Niners is brought up, he ignores how bad the OL was Then when he brings up the SB vs Bucs he fails to acknowledge that the OL was absolutely decimated with injuries across the board. Or like last year j just disregard what occurred in the playoffs prior, as if they played flawless

No matter how poorly they actually play throughout the playoffs, they are the #1 O line if the team wins the SB.

Cheif's OLine did a decent job against a pretty good Eagles DLine in the last game of the season, Just saying...

If you ignore the fact that field conditions favored pass pro. Sure. KC's pass rush may have had 2 sacks in the SB but it was for only a total of 2 yards lossed. Who knows what that O line would have looked like on a better field.

What the OLine would have looked on a better field is sheer speculation. What actually happened is that the KC OLine did a whole lot better than the Eagles DLine - and that was a big key to winning that game. Who's to not to say that the KC OLine made it *look* like the field position was crap for the Eagles.

Agreed. That's a really weak argument to me. Philly, a team with historic pass rush totals playing in inclement weather, suddenly couldn't pass rush?

No. KC's OL, who also played on that field, was >>> than Philly's front 7 AND Mahomes made the most of the breakdowns but also, always had room to move towards unlike we see here often when the entire unit collapses instantly esp. when it matters.

Yup. All pass and run systems start with the OLine. Give the QB time and the offense will beat the defense time and time again. With all the rules changes - like you can't blindside hit a defenseless player, can't hit the QB, can't hit the WR going over the middle, can't lower your head on a ball carrier -- offenses now dominate defenses, by design. You can blame the rules changes on CTE or whatever, but the rules are the rules, and they favor the offense.

Specially in the playoffs and the Superbowl where they don't call holding much, an average OLine - if it can get into the playoffs - can dominate good defensive lines given the referees more laxity in officiating. Add in decently talented OLinemen that can hold without getting caught and you have a perfect playoff offense if you have a Pat Mahomes or Brock Purdy.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Agreed. That's a really weak argument to me. Philly, a team with historic pass rush totals playing in inclement weather, suddenly couldn't pass rush?

No. KC's OL, who also played on that field, was >>> than Philly's front 7 AND Mahomes made the most of the breakdowns but also, always had room to move towards unlike we see here often when the entire unit collapses instantly esp. when it matters.

They did pass rush. Mahomes was pressured on nearly 40% of his drop backs lol

Oof

Originally posted by A-R-S:
One injury away from a bottom 10 OL and one injury away from a bottom 10 DL.

Not sure how anyone can call this team Super Bowl contending.

Don't forget CB. Ambry Thomas is the 1st guy off the bench. That's beyond scary. Yea the overall roster has declined. We have the starters to be contenders but next to no depth behind any position group outside of linebacker and safety.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Agreed. That's a really weak argument to me. Philly, a team with historic pass rush totals playing in inclement weather, suddenly couldn't pass rush?

No. KC's OL, who also played on that field, was >>> than Philly's front 7 AND Mahomes made the most of the breakdowns but also, always had room to move towards unlike we see here often when the entire unit collapses instantly esp. when it matters.

They did pass rush. Mahomes was pressured on nearly 40% of his drop backs lol

No sacks though. They had 70. An NFL record coming in. If you don't close or that pressure doesn't push a QB into danger and/or stupid decisions, it's just a pressure stat. If the QB always has a lane or space to slide, it's just a pressure. Will Mahomes make the most of light pressure? Sure! Is he any different than any other HOF QB under serious duress? Of course not.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Agreed. That's a really weak argument to me. Philly, a team with historic pass rush totals playing in inclement weather, suddenly couldn't pass rush?

No. KC's OL, who also played on that field, was >>> than Philly's front 7 AND Mahomes made the most of the breakdowns but also, always had room to move towards unlike we see here often when the entire unit collapses instantly esp. when it matters.

They did pass rush. Mahomes was pressured on nearly 40% of his drop backs lol

No sacks though. They had 70. An NFL record coming in. If you don't close or that pressure doesn't push a QB into danger and/or stupid decisions, it's just a pressure stat. If the QB always has a lane or space to slide, it's just a pressure. Will Mahomes make the most of light pressure? Sure! Is he any different than any other HOF QB under serious duress? Of course not.

You are now standing on the no sack claim, you didn't like that stat when it proclaimed towards our OL and how much pressure we endured

stop flip flopping