49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Trent is on the left so I think we will be just fine across the board. Jaylon Moore looks like good depth behind the tackles. Who are the other 3 lineman do you think we'll keep for depth?

Felciiano Pryor and Manning

My guess is they go with only two more after Moore. Feliciano and Pryor. They'll look to sign Manning to the PS and elevate with an injury.

BTW, Moore is like McKivitz. Dude is up/down and can have some nice stretches, even games, but you don't want much more than that.

Hopefully McKivitz, another dude riddled with injuries and a lower ceiling, proves consistent, healthy and plays at an elevated level going into the playoffs. And Moore follows in the coming years even though I prefer him inside as well.

Last year that OLine did well even into the playoffs. Aside from Trent's aging, the concern I have for the right side of the line isn't there this year with McKivitz (the way it was with McGlinchy). If I'm a betting man, Trent will be the problem child - health wise - this year due to his age. I"m hoping I"m wrong of course.

Feliciano and Pryor are veterans and have experience. Manning is a rookie in the NFL with some decent raw talent. Personally, between raw talent and experience, I pick raw talent. You can get experience with more reps in an actual game and get better, whereas if the talent is not there - the experience won't help get him much better.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Trent is on the left so I think we will be just fine across the board. Jaylon Moore looks like good depth behind the tackles. Who are the other 3 lineman do you think we'll keep for depth?

Felciiano Pryor and Manning

My guess is they go with only two more after Moore. Feliciano and Pryor. They'll look to sign Manning to the PS and elevate with an injury.

BTW, Moore is like McKivitz. Dude is up/down and can have some nice stretches, even games, but you don't want much more than that.

Hopefully McKivitz, another dude riddled with injuries and a lower ceiling, proves consistent, healthy and plays at an elevated level going into the playoffs. And Moore follows in the coming years even though I prefer him inside as well.

Last year that OLine did well even into the playoffs. Aside from Trent's aging, the concern I have for the right side of the line isn't there this year with McKivitz (the way it was with McGlinchy). If I'm a betting man, Trent will be the problem child - health wise - this year due to his age. I"m hoping I"m wrong of course.

Feliciano and Pryor are veterans and have experience. Manning is a rookie in the NFL with some decent raw talent. Personally, between raw talent and experience, I pick raw talent. You can get experience with more reps in an actual game and get better, whereas if the talent is not there - the experience won't help get him much better.

Last year the OL did play well during the regular season. Playoffs are where this unit struggles year in, year out. That's when talent needs to shine and is exposed, good or bad.

I hope you're wrong too on that one but we should absolutely plan for TW missing a few games like always.

Let's just hope we don't have to find out who Moore, Feliciano and Pryor really are. And if we do, it's not for a long stretch of important games (e.g. the playoffs).

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Trent is on the left so I think we will be just fine across the board. Jaylon Moore looks like good depth behind the tackles. Who are the other 3 lineman do you think we'll keep for depth?

Felciiano Pryor and Manning

My guess is they go with only two more after Moore. Feliciano and Pryor. They'll look to sign Manning to the PS and elevate with an injury.

BTW, Moore is like McKivitz. Dude is up/down and can have some nice stretches, even games, but you don't want much more than that.

Hopefully McKivitz, another dude riddled with injuries and a lower ceiling, proves consistent, healthy and plays at an elevated level going into the playoffs. And Moore follows in the coming years even though I prefer him inside as well.

Last year that OLine did well even into the playoffs. Aside from Trent's aging, the concern I have for the right side of the line isn't there this year with McKivitz (the way it was with McGlinchy). If I'm a betting man, Trent will be the problem child - health wise - this year due to his age. I"m hoping I"m wrong of course.

Feliciano and Pryor are veterans and have experience. Manning is a rookie in the NFL with some decent raw talent. Personally, between raw talent and experience, I pick raw talent. You can get experience with more reps in an actual game and get better, whereas if the talent is not there - the experience won't help get him much better.

Last year the OL did play well during the regular season. Playoffs are where this unit struggles year in, year out. That's when talent needs to shine and is exposed, good or bad.

I hope you're wrong too on that one but we should absolutely plan for TW missing a few games like always.

Let's just hope we don't have to find out who Moore, Feliciano and Pryor really are. And if we do, it's not for a long stretch of important games (e.g. the playoffs).

I think you almost have to gameplan Trent missing the playoffs - after all that's when the age catches up to you, in a sense. As you age, you don't have the endurance you used to have, and that 20 game season is just a brutal marathon. They can give him veteran's days off, but it's still a contact sport and by the playoffs, Trent's body's been beat up for 17 weeks.

Moore and Feliciano (or whoever is backup) has to know and be coached to know, he's going in for Trey in the playoffs the way McKivitz did for Trent in the (I think) NFC championship game. If I'm the pro-personnel guys, I'm lining up plans A, B, C. and D - in case Trent can't be available in the latter half of the season. I might even carry 4 tight ends just to help chip block the DE the left tackle is facing in the playoffs. As a head coach, I have to be ready to pull Trent from starting and put in the backup if Trent is severely injured as he was a year or two ago, when he tried to play on one leg in the championship game.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think you almost have to gameplan Trent missing the playoffs - after all that's when the age catches up to you, in a sense. As you age, you don't have the endurance you used to have, and that 20 game season is just a brutal marathon. They can give him veteran's days off, but it's still a contact sport and by the playoffs, Trent's body's been beat up for 17 weeks.

Moore and Feliciano (or whoever is backup) has to know and be coached to know, he's going in for Trey in the playoffs the way McKivitz did for Trent in the (I think) NFC championship game. If I'm the pro-personnel guys, I'm lining up plans A, B, C. and D - in case Trent can't be available in the latter half of the season. I might even carry 4 tight ends just to help chip block the DE the left tackle is facing in the playoffs. As a head coach, I have to be ready to pull Trent from starting and put in the backup if Trent is severely injured as he was a year or two ago, when he tried to play on one leg in the championship game.

For sure!

Plus, like you noted 17-20 game seasons that run long and turn right around and start again just a couple months later. There just isn't a ton of time to heal up.

Now, Kyle obviously is giving him a ton of time off to combat that but there's downsides to that as well.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think you almost have to gameplan Trent missing the playoffs - after all that's when the age catches up to you, in a sense. As you age, you don't have the endurance you used to have, and that 20 game season is just a brutal marathon. They can give him veteran's days off, but it's still a contact sport and by the playoffs, Trent's body's been beat up for 17 weeks.

Moore and Feliciano (or whoever is backup) has to know and be coached to know, he's going in for Trey in the playoffs the way McKivitz did for Trent in the (I think) NFC championship game. If I'm the pro-personnel guys, I'm lining up plans A, B, C. and D - in case Trent can't be available in the latter half of the season. I might even carry 4 tight ends just to help chip block the DE the left tackle is facing in the playoffs. As a head coach, I have to be ready to pull Trent from starting and put in the backup if Trent is severely injured as he was a year or two ago, when he tried to play on one leg in the championship game.

For sure!

Plus, like you noted 17-20 game seasons that run long and turn right around and start again just a couple months later. There just isn't a ton of time to heal up.

Now, Kyle obviously is giving him a ton of time off to combat that but there's downsides to that as well.

My plan C for Trent is getting a good Trent Backup before the trade deadline, otherwise they have to wait for next years draft. This OLine setup, I think, has to be viewed as temporary as by next year the 49ers have a first round pick they can use for a left tackle. Anthony Lynn most likely will be gone, that's another added 3rd round pick compensation. Kyle will have to look for another talented minority coach to be his assistant HC. Aiyuk and Jennings will be gone. We won't win any bidding war with these bottom feeding teams giving Aiyuk and Jennings X10 what he's worth to the 49ers. So there will be cap space and draft captial to restock the left tackle position next year.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think you almost have to gameplan Trent missing the playoffs - after all that's when the age catches up to you, in a sense. As you age, you don't have the endurance you used to have, and that 20 game season is just a brutal marathon. They can give him veteran's days off, but it's still a contact sport and by the playoffs, Trent's body's been beat up for 17 weeks.

Moore and Feliciano (or whoever is backup) has to know and be coached to know, he's going in for Trey in the playoffs the way McKivitz did for Trent in the (I think) NFC championship game. If I'm the pro-personnel guys, I'm lining up plans A, B, C. and D - in case Trent can't be available in the latter half of the season. I might even carry 4 tight ends just to help chip block the DE the left tackle is facing in the playoffs. As a head coach, I have to be ready to pull Trent from starting and put in the backup if Trent is severely injured as he was a year or two ago, when he tried to play on one leg in the championship game.

For sure!

Plus, like you noted 17-20 game seasons that run long and turn right around and start again just a couple months later. There just isn't a ton of time to heal up.

Now, Kyle obviously is giving him a ton of time off to combat that but there's downsides to that as well.

My plan C for Trent is getting a good Trent Backup before the trade deadline, otherwise they have to wait for next years draft. This OLine setup, I think, has to be viewed as temporary as by next year the 49ers have a first round pick they can use for a left tackle. Anthony Lynn most likely will be gone, that's another added 3rd round pick compensation. Kyle will have to look for another talented minority coach to be his assistant HC. Aiyuk and Jennings will be gone. We won't win any bidding war with these bottom feeding teams giving Aiyuk and Jennings X10 what he's worth to the 49ers. So there will be cap space and draft captial to restock the left tackle position next year.

Aiyuk will be here through 2024 at the very least.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think you almost have to gameplan Trent missing the playoffs - after all that's when the age catches up to you, in a sense. As you age, you don't have the endurance you used to have, and that 20 game season is just a brutal marathon. They can give him veteran's days off, but it's still a contact sport and by the playoffs, Trent's body's been beat up for 17 weeks.

Moore and Feliciano (or whoever is backup) has to know and be coached to know, he's going in for Trey in the playoffs the way McKivitz did for Trent in the (I think) NFC championship game. If I'm the pro-personnel guys, I'm lining up plans A, B, C. and D - in case Trent can't be available in the latter half of the season. I might even carry 4 tight ends just to help chip block the DE the left tackle is facing in the playoffs. As a head coach, I have to be ready to pull Trent from starting and put in the backup if Trent is severely injured as he was a year or two ago, when he tried to play on one leg in the championship game.

For sure!

Plus, like you noted 17-20 game seasons that run long and turn right around and start again just a couple months later. There just isn't a ton of time to heal up.

Now, Kyle obviously is giving him a ton of time off to combat that but there's downsides to that as well.

My plan C for Trent is getting a good Trent Backup before the trade deadline, otherwise they have to wait for next years draft. This OLine setup, I think, has to be viewed as temporary as by next year the 49ers have a first round pick they can use for a left tackle. Anthony Lynn most likely will be gone, that's another added 3rd round pick compensation. Kyle will have to look for another talented minority coach to be his assistant HC. Aiyuk and Jennings will be gone. We won't win any bidding war with these bottom feeding teams giving Aiyuk and Jennings X10 what he's worth to the 49ers. So there will be cap space and draft captial to restock the left tackle position next year.

It sure would suck to lose Aiyuk. That's for sure but in the end, you might be right.

Yeah, "next year" has been the theme here for quite some time. I'll remain cautiously optimistic they have a desire to build a tier 1 OL here.

big test is the steelers i think they have a top 3 DL apart from us and eagles I don't think there is a better unit

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think you almost have to gameplan Trent missing the playoffs - after all that's when the age catches up to you, in a sense. As you age, you don't have the endurance you used to have, and that 20 game season is just a brutal marathon. They can give him veteran's days off, but it's still a contact sport and by the playoffs, Trent's body's been beat up for 17 weeks.

Moore and Feliciano (or whoever is backup) has to know and be coached to know, he's going in for Trey in the playoffs the way McKivitz did for Trent in the (I think) NFC championship game. If I'm the pro-personnel guys, I'm lining up plans A, B, C. and D - in case Trent can't be available in the latter half of the season. I might even carry 4 tight ends just to help chip block the DE the left tackle is facing in the playoffs. As a head coach, I have to be ready to pull Trent from starting and put in the backup if Trent is severely injured as he was a year or two ago, when he tried to play on one leg in the championship game.

For sure!

Plus, like you noted 17-20 game seasons that run long and turn right around and start again just a couple months later. There just isn't a ton of time to heal up.

Now, Kyle obviously is giving him a ton of time off to combat that but there's downsides to that as well.

My plan C for Trent is getting a good Trent Backup before the trade deadline, otherwise they have to wait for next years draft. This OLine setup, I think, has to be viewed as temporary as by next year the 49ers have a first round pick they can use for a left tackle. Anthony Lynn most likely will be gone, that's another added 3rd round pick compensation. Kyle will have to look for another talented minority coach to be his assistant HC. Aiyuk and Jennings will be gone. We won't win any bidding war with these bottom feeding teams giving Aiyuk and Jennings X10 what he's worth to the 49ers. So there will be cap space and draft captial to restock the left tackle position next year.

Aiyuk will be here through 2024 at the very least.

I think that depends on the Bosa contract. If I'm correct and Bosa gets all the gold in the Brinks truck *AND* the Brinks Truck too - then Brandon's 2024 14+ million cap hit might not be cap sustainable. Specially if Ronnie Bell makes the team and does well enough that they can replace Brandon's production with Bell's. We shall see.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think you almost have to gameplan Trent missing the playoffs - after all that's when the age catches up to you, in a sense. As you age, you don't have the endurance you used to have, and that 20 game season is just a brutal marathon. They can give him veteran's days off, but it's still a contact sport and by the playoffs, Trent's body's been beat up for 17 weeks.

Moore and Feliciano (or whoever is backup) has to know and be coached to know, he's going in for Trey in the playoffs the way McKivitz did for Trent in the (I think) NFC championship game. If I'm the pro-personnel guys, I'm lining up plans A, B, C. and D - in case Trent can't be available in the latter half of the season. I might even carry 4 tight ends just to help chip block the DE the left tackle is facing in the playoffs. As a head coach, I have to be ready to pull Trent from starting and put in the backup if Trent is severely injured as he was a year or two ago, when he tried to play on one leg in the championship game.

For sure!

Plus, like you noted 17-20 game seasons that run long and turn right around and start again just a couple months later. There just isn't a ton of time to heal up.

Now, Kyle obviously is giving him a ton of time off to combat that but there's downsides to that as well.

My plan C for Trent is getting a good Trent Backup before the trade deadline, otherwise they have to wait for next years draft. This OLine setup, I think, has to be viewed as temporary as by next year the 49ers have a first round pick they can use for a left tackle. Anthony Lynn most likely will be gone, that's another added 3rd round pick compensation. Kyle will have to look for another talented minority coach to be his assistant HC. Aiyuk and Jennings will be gone. We won't win any bidding war with these bottom feeding teams giving Aiyuk and Jennings X10 what he's worth to the 49ers. So there will be cap space and draft captial to restock the left tackle position next year.

It sure would suck to lose Aiyuk. That's for sure but in the end, you might be right.

Yeah, "next year" has been the theme here for quite some time. I'll remain cautiously optimistic they have a desire to build a tier 1 OL here.

I wouldn't wait for next year, specially if the super bowl window is open. For now, they have a playoff caliber OLine. At least everyone except McKivitz is playoff caliber. I don't know if McKivitz is as consistent as his other squad mates. Here's my strategy for the trade deadline, as you said, *next year* seems to be a theme both you and I disagree with.

If they can do a CMC-like trade with a bottom feeding team and get a high draft pick but at a firesale price (like CMC) before the trade deadline, I'll take that for sure. I mean if you can get a Rashaul Slater type OT for cheap (say a 2nd and a 3rd?) I'd go for it before the trade deadline. Then you can use your next year number 1 pick for another OLineman for the Left Tackle position and that still leaves you a ton of draft capital for the DLine and Kocurek to be satisfied with.

I"m still bummed they didn't get a OT in the draft, but I know they used up a lot of draft capital to get CMC, which is totally fine with me by the way. CMC really is a game changer for Kyle in this offense.

Aiyuk is signed for next year at the moment. Jennings is a restricted free agent and only goes somewhere if the team allows it to happen. I see both here in 2024.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think you almost have to gameplan Trent missing the playoffs - after all that's when the age catches up to you, in a sense. As you age, you don't have the endurance you used to have, and that 20 game season is just a brutal marathon. They can give him veteran's days off, but it's still a contact sport and by the playoffs, Trent's body's been beat up for 17 weeks.

Moore and Feliciano (or whoever is backup) has to know and be coached to know, he's going in for Trey in the playoffs the way McKivitz did for Trent in the (I think) NFC championship game. If I'm the pro-personnel guys, I'm lining up plans A, B, C. and D - in case Trent can't be available in the latter half of the season. I might even carry 4 tight ends just to help chip block the DE the left tackle is facing in the playoffs. As a head coach, I have to be ready to pull Trent from starting and put in the backup if Trent is severely injured as he was a year or two ago, when he tried to play on one leg in the championship game.

For sure!

Plus, like you noted 17-20 game seasons that run long and turn right around and start again just a couple months later. There just isn't a ton of time to heal up.

Now, Kyle obviously is giving him a ton of time off to combat that but there's downsides to that as well.

My plan C for Trent is getting a good Trent Backup before the trade deadline, otherwise they have to wait for next years draft. This OLine setup, I think, has to be viewed as temporary as by next year the 49ers have a first round pick they can use for a left tackle. Anthony Lynn most likely will be gone, that's another added 3rd round pick compensation. Kyle will have to look for another talented minority coach to be his assistant HC. Aiyuk and Jennings will be gone. We won't win any bidding war with these bottom feeding teams giving Aiyuk and Jennings X10 what he's worth to the 49ers. So there will be cap space and draft captial to restock the left tackle position next year.

Aiyuk will be here through 2024 at the very least.

I think that depends on the Bosa contract. If I'm correct and Bosa gets all the gold in the Brinks truck *AND* the Brinks Truck too - then Brandon's 2024 14+ million cap hit might not be cap sustainable. Specially if Ronnie Bell makes the team and does well enough that they can replace Brandon's production with Bell's. We shall see.

If they let BA walk, I will never buy another jersey ever again. But I have faith they will find a way to make it all work.

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think that depends on the Bosa contract. If I'm correct and Bosa gets all the gold in the Brinks truck *AND* the Brinks Truck too - then Brandon's 2024 14+ million cap hit might not be cap sustainable. Specially if Ronnie Bell makes the team and does well enough that they can replace Brandon's production with Bell's. We shall see.

He's not gonna have a 14 mil cap hit. They will extend him.

The move that is likely on the horizon is trading Deebo in 2025.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think you almost have to gameplan Trent missing the playoffs - after all that's when the age catches up to you, in a sense. As you age, you don't have the endurance you used to have, and that 20 game season is just a brutal marathon. They can give him veteran's days off, but it's still a contact sport and by the playoffs, Trent's body's been beat up for 17 weeks.

Moore and Feliciano (or whoever is backup) has to know and be coached to know, he's going in for Trey in the playoffs the way McKivitz did for Trent in the (I think) NFC championship game. If I'm the pro-personnel guys, I'm lining up plans A, B, C. and D - in case Trent can't be available in the latter half of the season. I might even carry 4 tight ends just to help chip block the DE the left tackle is facing in the playoffs. As a head coach, I have to be ready to pull Trent from starting and put in the backup if Trent is severely injured as he was a year or two ago, when he tried to play on one leg in the championship game.

For sure!

Plus, like you noted 17-20 game seasons that run long and turn right around and start again just a couple months later. There just isn't a ton of time to heal up.

Now, Kyle obviously is giving him a ton of time off to combat that but there's downsides to that as well.

My plan C for Trent is getting a good Trent Backup before the trade deadline, otherwise they have to wait for next years draft. This OLine setup, I think, has to be viewed as temporary as by next year the 49ers have a first round pick they can use for a left tackle. Anthony Lynn most likely will be gone, that's another added 3rd round pick compensation. Kyle will have to look for another talented minority coach to be his assistant HC. Aiyuk and Jennings will be gone. We won't win any bidding war with these bottom feeding teams giving Aiyuk and Jennings X10 what he's worth to the 49ers. So there will be cap space and draft captial to restock the left tackle position next year.

Aiyuk will be here through 2024 at the very least.

I think that depends on the Bosa contract. If I'm correct and Bosa gets all the gold in the Brinks truck *AND* the Brinks Truck too - then Brandon's 2024 14+ million cap hit might not be cap sustainable. Specially if Ronnie Bell makes the team and does well enough that they can replace Brandon's production with Bell's. We shall see.

If they let BA walk, I will never buy another jersey ever again. But I have faith they will find a way to make it all work.

Same. I just hope he doesn't want to leave to become the guy in a pass centric offense. That's my only real concern. AB showed we could certainly keep him.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I think you almost have to gameplan Trent missing the playoffs - after all that's when the age catches up to you, in a sense. As you age, you don't have the endurance you used to have, and that 20 game season is just a brutal marathon. They can give him veteran's days off, but it's still a contact sport and by the playoffs, Trent's body's been beat up for 17 weeks.

Moore and Feliciano (or whoever is backup) has to know and be coached to know, he's going in for Trey in the playoffs the way McKivitz did for Trent in the (I think) NFC championship game. If I'm the pro-personnel guys, I'm lining up plans A, B, C. and D - in case Trent can't be available in the latter half of the season. I might even carry 4 tight ends just to help chip block the DE the left tackle is facing in the playoffs. As a head coach, I have to be ready to pull Trent from starting and put in the backup if Trent is severely injured as he was a year or two ago, when he tried to play on one leg in the championship game.

For sure!

Plus, like you noted 17-20 game seasons that run long and turn right around and start again just a couple months later. There just isn't a ton of time to heal up.

Now, Kyle obviously is giving him a ton of time off to combat that but there's downsides to that as well.

My plan C for Trent is getting a good Trent Backup before the trade deadline, otherwise they have to wait for next years draft. This OLine setup, I think, has to be viewed as temporary as by next year the 49ers have a first round pick they can use for a left tackle. Anthony Lynn most likely will be gone, that's another added 3rd round pick compensation. Kyle will have to look for another talented minority coach to be his assistant HC. Aiyuk and Jennings will be gone. We won't win any bidding war with these bottom feeding teams giving Aiyuk and Jennings X10 what he's worth to the 49ers. So there will be cap space and draft captial to restock the left tackle position next year.

Aiyuk will be here through 2024 at the very least.

I think that depends on the Bosa contract. If I'm correct and Bosa gets all the gold in the Brinks truck *AND* the Brinks Truck too - then Brandon's 2024 14+ million cap hit might not be cap sustainable. Specially if Ronnie Bell makes the team and does well enough that they can replace Brandon's production with Bell's. We shall see.

If they let BA walk, I will never buy another jersey ever again. But I have faith they will find a way to make it all work.

Same. I just hope he doesn't want to leave to become the guy in a pass centric offense. That's my only real concern. AB showed we could certainly keep him.

Well if he wants to leave, there is not much we can do about that since I doubt we use the FT on him after his 5th year.