49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There are 11 teams on this list because pff had LV and KC tied for 9th.



I can do another list based on pressure% if you all would like? But we have to stop basing our o line play on QB injuries as sacks do not equal injury. We also have to stop judging our o line based on the "eye test" unless of course you watch every snap of every offense every week during the NFL season. Otherwise you are judging them in a vacuum and not against their peers.

With that said, this would be the rankings based on sack%.

1) TB
2) KC
3) JAX
4) GB
5) LV
6) SF
7) CAR
8) PHI
9) BAL
10) CLE
11) ATL

For those who say all you need is an elite QB and the #1 o line and pass rush isn't as important. The GOAT with the #1 PBLK o line lost in the WC round to the #2 ranked pass rush.

I think you need elite play by both through the playoffs. Obviously that helps more if you already have the talent to hit that level when it matters. But we've seen less talented QB's and OL's get hot and win it all too.

It would be ideal to have all 3, no doubt. But that's very rare. And over the past 10 years, it seems the best combo is high end QB + OL > any other combo.

When you've got the talent, as we've seen personally, you have the ability to turn it on when it matters most. Unfortunately we were the opposite of that.

I don't think anybody would confuse our pass rush and unit PP playing at an elite level through the playoffs. How could they when you look at the injuries and talent level starting those games? That's why this is still a hot topic after 7 years.

We saw last night the differences in pressure. When we collapse in unit PP it's the entire unit and usually immediately given our QB no shot whatsoever. Well, no realistic shot anyhow.

Now, if we can get that kind of pressure on a consistent basis from our front 7, that's going to be critical to actually winning a Superbowl, IMHO. Hell like you said, if we get 2 out of the 3, you can pencil us in for #6 right now.

That means a lot is going to come down to Drake Jackson (or whomever) and Colton McKivitz and injuries/depth. How do you feel about our chances there?

I think looking at playoff rankings is a bit skewed. I stated in a previous post the pass rushes that KC and PHI faced during the playoffs. Would either o line have been ranked nearly as high if they faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced in the playoffs? The answer is I highly doubt it. Would the 49ers pass rush have been more affective against the eagles o line if they weren't forced to play 37 minutes of the game? I would argue that it would have. Imo, If the 49ers o line would have faced the pass rushes that the eagles and chiefs faced in the playoffs and the eagles/chiefs faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced, the 49ers o line would have been ranked higher than those two in playoff rankings.

I fully agree. Your draw is very important in a small sample size of playoff games against the best competition. It's best to look at the full picture as best you can. Analytics can help. Leaning on the SME's. Putting it altogether.

I personally don't think the talent level we brought to the fight was Championship caliber compared to those who won and set the standard. The teams that won prioritized that standard where Kyle is still trying to coach around it to build up the roster elsewhere.

It doesn't mean we can't win one that way but it's not exactly giving you the best odds, IMHO.

We lost the NFCCG because of a freak injury that put us in a deep whole we were never going to be able to climb out of. That freak injury had zero to do with the o line.

Take your pick in any year. The OL has struggled staying healthy esp. heading into the playoffs. That's why I always say THIS team needs to be at least 7 deep in talent. Those resources have gone to the DL instead.

Agree on the OLine depth. Wish we could have used the Kicker pick on an OLineman. I think the two weakest squads on the team are OLine and DB's. Next year we get our first round pick back and some decent compensatory picks. If Kyle doesn't get a good OLineman in the draft next year, I will be really . Hopefully, the saving grace is Foerster being able to do his McKittrick stuff and coach these journeymen level OLinemen to play all pro - I hope. If Tom Compton can get us to the playoffs, I hope he can coach up McKivits to the big game.

Unlikely with this team building philosophy. LOL. He didn't learn from the Richburg-experience. He's not going to learn. He and John are still stuck in the 90's.

"So we're in this situation, we knew (Alex) Mack had a chance to leave, but you don't want to take that risk. Just stockpiling other players when you can do that at other positions." ~ Kyle Shanahan

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Or you just have to hope your depth holds up when you lose one of your starters just like everyone else.

Yeah, Jack Driscoll did not hold up it appears. LOL. They better hope Lane never misses another game.

Much like we worry about Trent Williams. Jurgens moved from backup center last season to starting RG this season. Kelce is no spring chicken. I didn't see much quality depth along their interior line either.

That's probably why they drafted Tyler Steen and moved him to G.

They did. But is he quality depth? He's a rookie. Its no guarantee he fills in this season and plays well.

Hopefully we'll find out soon they poorly evaluated and developed him.

I don't wish injury upon any players.

If you have a young QB then it is imperative to have a dominate OL. Otherwise you destroy him and any confidence he had. Instead of getting a dominate OL we got dynamic play-makers at every skill position. If we had an experienced QB who knew all the reads perfectly this is the offense for him to thrive in. But, we have young QBs who hold the ball longer and process slower. Instead of having a FB who is great an RT that can pass and run block would be a much better use of money. Having a solid line instead of solid high draft back up RBs and TEs would vastly be a better fit for who we have throwing the ball.

Probably left "project guys" from last year in so they could be evaluated fully. Might mean the new guys are performing better than expected.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Or you just have to hope your depth holds up when you lose one of your starters just like everyone else.

Yeah, Jack Driscoll did not hold up it appears. LOL. They better hope Lane never misses another game.

Much like we worry about Trent Williams. Jurgens moved from backup center last season to starting RG this season. Kelce is no spring chicken. I didn't see much quality depth along their interior line either.

That's probably why they drafted Tyler Steen and moved him to G.

They did. But is he quality depth? He's a rookie. Its no guarantee he fills in this season and plays well.

Hopefully we'll find out soon they poorly evaluated and developed him.

I don't wish injury upon any players.

Ha. Of course. I meant more he'd earn a starting spot this year at G and then we punk him and head to the Superbowl.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Or you just have to hope your depth holds up when you lose one of your starters just like everyone else.

Yeah, Jack Driscoll did not hold up it appears. LOL. They better hope Lane never misses another game.

Much like we worry about Trent Williams. Jurgens moved from backup center last season to starting RG this season. Kelce is no spring chicken. I didn't see much quality depth along their interior line either.

That's probably why they drafted Tyler Steen and moved him to G.

They did. But is he quality depth? He's a rookie. Its no guarantee he fills in this season and plays well.

Hopefully we'll find out soon they poorly evaluated and developed him.

I don't wish injury upon any players.

Ha. Of course. I meant more he'd earn a starting spot this year at G and then we punk him and head to the Superbowl.

Okay?

Anyone have the PFF offensive line rankings for the game? Who is that Ismail guy who got a lot of snaps at Center.

Tx you!

Fisher. Huh. Did he take snaps against second team or third.

Where'd the ismail guy come from

Did they give all the QB's a default RBLK grade of 60.0? 🤣

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Did they give all the QB's a default RBLK grade of 60.0? 🤣

That is awesome!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
There are 11 teams on this list because pff had LV and KC tied for 9th.



I can do another list based on pressure% if you all would like? But we have to stop basing our o line play on QB injuries as sacks do not equal injury. We also have to stop judging our o line based on the "eye test" unless of course you watch every snap of every offense every week during the NFL season. Otherwise you are judging them in a vacuum and not against their peers.

With that said, this would be the rankings based on sack%.

1) TB
2) KC
3) JAX
4) GB
5) LV
6) SF
7) CAR
8) PHI
9) BAL
10) CLE
11) ATL

For those who say all you need is an elite QB and the #1 o line and pass rush isn't as important. The GOAT with the #1 PBLK o line lost in the WC round to the #2 ranked pass rush.

I think you need elite play by both through the playoffs. Obviously that helps more if you already have the talent to hit that level when it matters. But we've seen less talented QB's and OL's get hot and win it all too.

It would be ideal to have all 3, no doubt. But that's very rare. And over the past 10 years, it seems the best combo is high end QB + OL > any other combo.

When you've got the talent, as we've seen personally, you have the ability to turn it on when it matters most. Unfortunately we were the opposite of that.

I don't think anybody would confuse our pass rush and unit PP playing at an elite level through the playoffs. How could they when you look at the injuries and talent level starting those games? That's why this is still a hot topic after 7 years.

We saw last night the differences in pressure. When we collapse in unit PP it's the entire unit and usually immediately given our QB no shot whatsoever. Well, no realistic shot anyhow.

Now, if we can get that kind of pressure on a consistent basis from our front 7, that's going to be critical to actually winning a Superbowl, IMHO. Hell like you said, if we get 2 out of the 3, you can pencil us in for #6 right now.

That means a lot is going to come down to Drake Jackson (or whomever) and Colton McKivitz and injuries/depth. How do you feel about our chances there?

I think looking at playoff rankings is a bit skewed. I stated in a previous post the pass rushes that KC and PHI faced during the playoffs. Would either o line have been ranked nearly as high if they faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced in the playoffs? The answer is I highly doubt it. Would the 49ers pass rush have been more affective against the eagles o line if they weren't forced to play 37 minutes of the game? I would argue that it would have. Imo, If the 49ers o line would have faced the pass rushes that the eagles and chiefs faced in the playoffs and the eagles/chiefs faced the pass rushes that the 49ers faced, the 49ers o line would have been ranked higher than those two in playoff rankings.

I fully agree. Your draw is very important in a small sample size of playoff games against the best competition. It's best to look at the full picture as best you can. Analytics can help. Leaning on the SME's. Putting it altogether.

I personally don't think the talent level we brought to the fight was Championship caliber compared to those who won and set the standard. The teams that won prioritized that standard where Kyle is still trying to coach around it to build up the roster elsewhere.

It doesn't mean we can't win one that way but it's not exactly giving you the best odds, IMHO.

We lost the NFCCG because of a freak injury that put us in a deep whole we were never going to be able to climb out of. That freak injury had zero to do with the o line.

Take your pick in any year. The OL has struggled staying healthy esp. heading into the playoffs. That's why I always say THIS team needs to be at least 7 deep in talent. Those resources have gone to the DL instead.

Agree on the OLine depth. Wish we could have used the Kicker pick on an OLineman. I think the two weakest squads on the team are OLine and DB's. Next year we get our first round pick back and some decent compensatory picks. If Kyle doesn't get a good OLineman in the draft next year, I will be really . Hopefully, the saving grace is Foerster being able to do his McKittrick stuff and coach these journeymen level OLinemen to play all pro - I hope. If Tom Compton can get us to the playoffs, I hope he can coach up McKivits to the big game.

Unlikely with this team building philosophy. LOL. He didn't learn from the Richburg-experience. He's not going to learn. He and John are still stuck in the 90's.

"So we're in this situation, we knew (Alex) Mack had a chance to leave, but you don't want to take that risk. Just stockpiling other players when you can do that at other positions." ~ Kyle Shanahan

I think a factor in the OLine underdevelopment is just Kyle's confidence (or arrogance - we shall see) about his offensive skills. He's shoveling a lot of the draft capital to the defensive line side and relying on his coaching and talent evaluations to shore up the offensive line side. He's getting a lot of raw OLine talent, that he hopes to over-coach into pro-bowl level, or he hopes to. Sort of like Trey Lance kind of situations on the OLine. Raw players who he hopes he (and Foerster) can coach up to play in the NFL.

Brock is young, and I hope he survives this season. Trey was supposed to be Brock, until the injuries. But, moving forward, I can see Kyle - now that he knows he has a possible franchise QB, will move more resources to protect him next year. This year, in a sense, he did start the protection process by overdrafting the TE position, which was what got Brock killed last year.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Wait.. I thought Moore wasn't even playing because he was hurt? He got snaps?

Just rewatched and wow, yup, he was starting at LT. Well now I'm even more terrified about our OL depth.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Unlikely with this team building philosophy. LOL. He didn't learn from the Richburg-experience. He's not going to learn. He and John are still stuck in the 90's.

"So we're in this situation, we knew (Alex) Mack had a chance to leave, but you don't want to take that risk. Just stockpiling other players when you can do that at other positions." ~ Kyle Shanahan

Kyle believes he can scheme away from poor talent on the O line. We have a Superbowl window and it may close soon with all the talent leaving in free agency. Kyle may be like his father and his second team he had coached with winning couple Lombardi's.