49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
People have already broken down the prioritization to you and it doesn't align with what you have pushed

Wanna bet in year 7 too?

Lol you had no clue who Wirfs even was. We were also betting based in G play and I honored it even with the position switch . You did get me though. Congrats

Haha. It's all good. Wirfs was my #1 followed by Lamb. NY can attest. That said, I understood why they went with Kinlaw after trading Buckner though.

You had no clue who he was. He was the last OL standing

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
The mediocre chiefs oline held the vaunted eagles dline to ZERO sacks in the superbowl. The mediocre chiefs oline held the vaunted niners dline to ZERO sacks in the superbowl.

Protecting Mamommes is mandatory. The chiefs showed last year that you don't need to pay big money to wrs or running backs by letting hill go. Oline is more important.

Lol the eagles pressured him on 35% of his drop backs.

35%!!!

Why do you think they had no sacks?

Not all pressure are created equal. Both Hurts and PM had 70 yards rushing that game. That means even with pressure, the safe lanes to run were still blocked. The bad pressures are when the line collapses and there are no safe lanes to run through or pass through.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not all pressure are created equal. Both Hurts and PM had 70 yards rushing that game. That means even with pressure, the safe lanes to run were still blocked. The bad pressures are when the line collapses and there are no safe lanes to run through or pass through.

Says the guy who cited pressure rate like it was going out of style all last offseason.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not all pressure are created equal. Both Hurts and PM had 70 yards rushing that game. That means even with pressure, the safe lanes to run were still blocked. The bad pressures are when the line collapses and there are no safe lanes to run through or pass through.

Says the guy who cited pressure rate like it was going out of style all last offseason.

Did we have a more mobile QB? Therefore, that 35% for Jimmy is far different for Hurts. Either way, 35% is not good at all.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
People have already broken down the prioritization to you and it doesn't align with what you have pushed

Wanna bet in year 7 too?

Lol you had no clue who Wirfs even was. We were also betting based in G play and I honored it even with the position switch . You did get me though. Congrats

Haha. It's all good. Wirfs was my #1 followed by Lamb. NY can attest. That said, I understood why they went with Kinlaw after trading Buckner though.

You had no clue who he was. He was the last OL standing

Yeah, the OL guy didn't know who Wirfs was.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Did we have a more mobile QB? Therefore, that 35% for Jimmy is far different for Hurts. Either way, 35% is not good at all.

So elite O lines are elite because their QBs can run away from the pressures and make them look better. Got it.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not all pressure are created equal. Both Hurts and PM had 70 yards rushing that game. That means even with pressure, the safe lanes to run were still blocked. The bad pressures are when the line collapses and there are no safe lanes to run through or pass through.

Lol ok. My point all along is the chiefs don't have an elite OL, they have an elite QB. The elite QB is what matters.

I will grant that if the chiefs had a piss poor line (which they don't) it'd mean trouble even for mahomes. But you throw a guy like mahomes in with a line that has an awful RT & an average LT, guess what? It works.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
People have already broken down the prioritization to you and it doesn't align with what you have pushed

Wanna bet in year 7 too?

Lol you had no clue who Wirfs even was. We were also betting based in G play and I honored it even with the position switch . You did get me though. Congrats

Haha. It's all good. Wirfs was my #1 followed by Lamb. NY can attest. That said, I understood why they went with Kinlaw after trading Buckner though.

You had no clue who he was. He was the last OL standing

Yeah, the OL guy didn't know who Wirfs was.

You are the OL guy?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Did we have a more mobile QB? Therefore, that 35% for Jimmy is far different for Hurts. Either way, 35% is not good at all.

So elite O lines are elite because their QBs can run away from the pressures and make them look better. Got it.

No, it can mean 4 of the 5 still did their job well enough to give their QB a chance. And credit to the QB for taking it.

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not all pressure are created equal. Both Hurts and PM had 70 yards rushing that game. That means even with pressure, the safe lanes to run were still blocked. The bad pressures are when the line collapses and there are no safe lanes to run through or pass through.

Lol ok. My point all along is the chiefs don't have an elite OL, they have an elite QB. The elite QB is what matters.

I will grant that if the chiefs had a piss poor line (which they don't) it'd mean trouble even for mahomes. But you throw a guy like mahomes in with a line that has an awful RT & an average LT, guess what? It works.

Sorry dude. You're the only one who didn't think the Chiefs didn't have an elite OL last year. Them and Philly were neck and neck. PM made them even better as his OL makes him even better. That's how team football works.

This year, he doesn't have that so let's see how he fares again.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Not all pressure are created equal. Both Hurts and PM had 70 yards rushing that game. That means even with pressure, the safe lanes to run were still blocked. The bad pressures are when the line collapses and there are no safe lanes to run through or pass through.

Lol ok. My point all along is the chiefs don't have an elite OL, they have an elite QB. The elite QB is what matters.

I will grant that if the chiefs had a piss poor line (which they don't) it'd mean trouble even for mahomes. But you throw a guy like mahomes in with a line that has an awful RT & an average LT, guess what? It works.

Sorry dude. You're the only one who didn't think the Chiefs didn't have an elite OL last year. Them and Philly were neck and neck. PM made them even better as his OL makes him even better. That's how team football works.

This year, he doesn't have that so let's see how he fares again.

The chiefs O line was not neck and neck with the eagles O line. They were top 10 but they were not #2 pushing for #1. So please stop with the overexaggeration.

Context matters. Chiefs O line much like the eagles O line faced the #6 and #17 pass rush to get to the SB. Where would those O line's have been ranked in the playoffs had they faced the #1 and #2 pass rushes?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
People have already broken down the prioritization to you and it doesn't align with what you have pushed

Wanna bet in year 7 too?

Lol you had no clue who Wirfs even was. We were also betting based in G play and I honored it even with the position switch . You did get me though. Congrats

Haha. It's all good. Wirfs was my #1 followed by Lamb. NY can attest. That said, I understood why they went with Kinlaw after trading Buckner though.

You had no clue who he was. He was the last OL standing

Yeah, the OL guy didn't know who Wirfs was.

You are the OL guy?

Yeah, oddly enough, OL is a topic of interest for me. LOL

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The chiefs O line was not neck and neck with the eagles O line. They were top 10 but they were not #2 pushing for #1. So please stop with the overexaggeration.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Context matters. Chiefs O line much like the eagles O line faced the #6 and #17 pass rush to get to the SB. Where would those O line's have been ranked in the playoffs had they faced the #1 and #2 pass rushes?

With all due respect, I'm focusing on the subject matter experts for the entire year on the topic and not PFF. They were elite. I'm not sure how this is even a debate.

So there was only one elite OL (one BT noted as well) all last year?

I understand the desire to believe a QB transcended the OL these days but it's funny how nobody is saying that about Hurts and Philly's OL.

Trying to claim Philly as the only elite OL last year is the real overeggageration, IMHO.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The chiefs O line was not neck and neck with the eagles O line. They were top 10 but they were not #2 pushing for #1. So please stop with the overexaggeration.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Context matters. Chiefs O line much like the eagles O line faced the #6 and #17 pass rush to get to the SB. Where would those O line's have been ranked in the playoffs had they faced the #1 and #2 pass rushes?

With all due respect, I'm focusing on the subject matter experts for the entire year on the topic and not PFF. They were elite. I'm not sure how this is even a debate.

So there was only one elite OL (one BT noted as well) all last year?

I understand the desire to believe a QB transcended the OL these days but it's funny how nobody is saying that about Hurts and Philly's OL.

Trying to claim Philly as the only elite OL last year is the real overeggageration, IMHO.

With all due respect. All that you sited when I asked for a source was a 2022 pre season ranking. You are going to have to provide a better source if we are to take you seriously on your rankings. You know exactly where I get my info from and it contradicts your bold statements about KC's O line.

Top 10 pass blocking O lines last season in order from 1-10 were PHI, BAL, GB, TB, SF, KC, CLE, ATL, LV, with JAX & CAR tied at 10th.

I never made a statement about Hurts and how he does or doesn't help the eagles O line. But if the eagles and the chiefs O lines are equal than Hurts makes his O line look better than Mahomes does with his O line.

The eagles were the cream of the crop last season and were better pass blocker's than KC by about 11.3 grading points.