49ers Offensive Line

Originally posted by NCommand:

Can't run a passing game with this. That world be #32 without Trent Williams and it didn't include the rest of the TE's and RB's in pass protection either.

49ers' O-line cumulative grades from PFF, just to reinforce a theme I've hammered a lot lately…

Run-blocking: #4
Pass-blocking: #22

2019 run-blocking was also #4. Playoff pass-blocking would've been #22 of all teams over full season

— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) November 17, 2020

Total QB Hits Allowed Through Week 10:

ARI: 21
IND: 28
GB: 29
LV: 30
CLE: 33
NO, PIT: 36
LAR: 38
NE: 40
KC, MIA: 41
BAL: 43
TEN: 47
CAR: 49
DET: 50
JAX, MIN: 51
BUF, TB: 52
ATL: 56
HOU: 59
LAC: 62
DAL, NYJ: 64
WAS: 67
DEN: 71
CHI, CIN, SEA, SF: 74
NYG: 77
PHI: 88

— Johnny Kinsley (@Brickwallblitz) November 17, 2020

Bwahahaha.

If the 49ers O-Line could block like Tim Kawakami does on here, we'd be undefeated 😂😂😂

— Lil' Sleepy😴Floyd 👑 of 👑 aka DISS WEBBER (@LilSleepyFloydz) November 16, 2020

Dude, ALL THE HITS on our QB's is because our QB's suck.. didn't you know that? Has nothing to do with the O-lineman.. I mean all teams O-Lines suck & they all suck coming out of college so definitely don't draft any O-lineman.
We just need a "good" QB. Dump what we have and get a rookie QB in there that can toss these 50-60 yard WOW plays so when we lose, we can at least still be entertained.

NCommand, Get with the program!

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Dude, ALL THE HITS on our QB's is because our QB's suck.. didn't you know that? Has nothing to do with the O-lineman.. I mean all teams O-Lines suck & they all suck coming out of college so definitely don't draft any O-lineman.
We just need a "good" QB. Dump what we have and get a rookie QB in there that can toss these 50-60 yard WOW plays so when we lose, we can at least still be entertained.

NCommand, Get with the program!

LMAO. There's probably some 'balance' in there somewhere but this extreme made me

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by dlance:

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Football is still football. If you're not winning in the trenches, you're usually not winning regardless of scheme or approach. We can talk about how bad college is with developing players, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. We have to find a way of winning matches at the LOS on offense. Kyle needs to be brutally honest with his evaluations during the off-season.

Yep. They know how important it is to have talent on the defensive line to win games, but not the O Line. They over draft the d line and now CB and OL are hurting.

To say the least.

If we were healthy the only position truly hurting would be interior O line. Even then they thought we would at least have our back up center and a lot of us were higher on Brunskill coming off last season. The line needs an overhaul but the idea that it deserved more than one more high quality body on the interior is being a really big goddamn monday morning QB.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:
Dude, ALL THE HITS on our QB's is because our QB's suck.. didn't you know that? Has nothing to do with the O-lineman.. I mean all teams O-Lines suck & they all suck coming out of college so definitely don't draft any O-lineman.
We just need a "good" QB. Dump what we have and get a rookie QB in there that can toss these 50-60 yard WOW plays so when we lose, we can at least still be entertained.

NCommand, Get with the program!

LMAO. There's probably some 'balance' in there somewhere but this extreme made me

there is no arguing in good faith in these threads....just over reaction b******t.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jeepzilla:

Dude, ALL THE HITS on our QB's is because our QB's suck.. didn't you know that? Has nothing to do with the O-lineman.. I mean all teams O-Lines suck & they all suck coming out of college so definitely don't draft any O-lineman.
We just need a "good" QB. Dump what we have and get a rookie QB in there that can toss these 50-60 yard WOW plays so when we lose, we can at least still be entertained.

NCommand, Get with the program!

LMAO. There's probably some 'balance' in there somewhere but this extreme made me

Bad QB play sure as s**t doesn't help.

You got teams blitzing all day and our QBs aren't adjusting the protection overall...Where's the hard count to see where the blitzes are coming from? Our QBs are allowed to audible.

OL needs to play better....QB play needs to improve f**k ton.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Bad QB play sure as s**t doesn't help.

You got teams blitzing all day and our QBs aren't adjusting the protection overall...Where's the hard count to see where the blitzes are coming from? Our QBs are allowed to audible.

OL needs to play better....QB play needs to improve f**k ton.

I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to understand that our QB's can't read defenses presnap

Originally posted by CJ75:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Bad QB play sure as s**t doesn't help.

You got teams blitzing all day and our QBs aren't adjusting the protection overall...Where's the hard count to see where the blitzes are coming from? Our QBs are allowed to audible.

OL needs to play better....QB play needs to improve f**k ton.

I don't understand why it's so hard for some people to understand that our QB's can't read defenses presnap

Are any of our QB's even asked to read defenses? "Just hit the primary. I'll scheme him open." ~ Kyle

LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:

Are any of our QB's even asked to read defenses? "Just hit the primary. I'll scheme him open." ~ Kyle

LOL

Without question they do...Jimmy audibled multiple times during the SB.

They can and have changed protections. A lot of s**t happens after the QB head sets are turned off.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Are any of our QB's even asked to read defenses? "Just hit the primary. I'll scheme him open." ~ Kyle

LOL

Without question they do...Jimmy audibled multiple times during the SB.

They can and have changed protections. A lot of s**t happens after the QB head sets are turned off.

From pass to run, run to pass, from 1 pass play to another, from one run play to another, etc.? I thought the C called the PP sets based on the audible?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Are any of our QB's even asked to read defenses? "Just hit the primary. I'll scheme him open." ~ Kyle

LOL

Without question they do...Jimmy audibled multiple times during the SB.

They can and have changed protections. A lot of s**t happens after the QB head sets are turned off.

From pass to run, run to pass, from 1 pass play to another, from one run play to another, etc.? I thought the C called the PP sets based on the audible?

QB can absolutely change protection calls....he can move a RB to help PP. He can move a TE to help chip a Blitzer. He can change a pass play to help with PP. He can point out to the center where he sees pressure coming from etc... I mean that's in part why they do hard counts, so they can see if someone is blitzing then adjusting.

"A former NFL offensive lineman explains why pass protection is also the quarterback's job"

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/11/8/20954689/nfl-offensive-line-pass-protection-breakdown-mitchell-trubisky-bears

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Football is still football. If you're not winning in the trenches, you're usually not winning regardless of scheme or approach. We can talk about how bad college is with developing players, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter. We have to find a way of winning matches at the LOS on offense. Kyle needs to be brutally honest with his evaluations during the off-season.

I can't believe how much this guy has fallen off.

LOOK AT MCGLINCHEY MAN pic.twitter.com/3ox1x1ECp0

— Adam 🐼 (@AdamBayBoyy) November 15, 2020

Brutally honest.

Someone tell me unless you're as big as Trent brown why the f**k would you think it's a good idea to drop weight as an OT? Dude thinks he's Joe Staley

McGlinchey decided to drop weight in the offseason so he could deal with speed rushers better. Unfortunately he still has problems with speed rushers and I don't think he is as good as a run blocker this year. He will probably put on some muscle and weight this offseason.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Are any of our QB's even asked to read defenses? "Just hit the primary. I'll scheme him open." ~ Kyle

LOL

Without question they do...Jimmy audibled multiple times during the SB.

They can and have changed protections. A lot of s**t happens after the QB head sets are turned off.

From pass to run, run to pass, from 1 pass play to another, from one run play to another, etc.? I thought the C called the PP sets based on the audible?

QB can absolutely change protection calls....he can move a RB to help PP. He can move a TE to help chip a Blitzer. He can change a pass play to help with PP. He can point out to the center where he sees pressure coming from etc... I mean that's in part why they do hard counts, so they can see if someone is blitzing then adjusting.

"A former NFL offensive lineman explains why pass protection is also the quarterback's job"

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/11/8/20954689/nfl-offensive-line-pass-protection-breakdown-mitchell-trubisky-bears

You're probably right. I just remember Rodgers being pissed off at first because so much was taken out of his control. I was wondering how Kyle manages it here in the same system...couldn't remember honestly.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Are any of our QB's even asked to read defenses? "Just hit the primary. I'll scheme him open." ~ Kyle

LOL

Without question they do...Jimmy audibled multiple times during the SB.

They can and have changed protections. A lot of s**t happens after the QB head sets are turned off.

From pass to run, run to pass, from 1 pass play to another, from one run play to another, etc.? I thought the C called the PP sets based on the audible?

QB can absolutely change protection calls....he can move a RB to help PP. He can move a TE to help chip a Blitzer. He can change a pass play to help with PP. He can point out to the center where he sees pressure coming from etc... I mean that's in part why they do hard counts, so they can see if someone is blitzing then adjusting.

"A former NFL offensive lineman explains why pass protection is also the quarterback's job"

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/11/8/20954689/nfl-offensive-line-pass-protection-breakdown-mitchell-trubisky-bears

You're probably right. I just remember Rodgers being pissed off at first because so much was taken out of his control. I was wondering how Kyle manages it here in the same system...couldn't remember honestly.

Guys this goes back to the same thing. Sacks can be the QBs fault or the line's fault but it can also be a great play by the defense. It's the same with every play. The result is rarely as simple as it seems. There is just too much going on in a football game . Blocking and fakes all over. Missed tackles and missed blocks. Defenders missing a call or slipping. Holding that does or doesn't get called. etc, etc. The coaches and players are the ones who really know since they know what all the assignments were.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Are any of our QB's even asked to read defenses? "Just hit the primary. I'll scheme him open." ~ Kyle

LOL

Without question they do...Jimmy audibled multiple times during the SB.

They can and have changed protections. A lot of s**t happens after the QB head sets are turned off.

From pass to run, run to pass, from 1 pass play to another, from one run play to another, etc.? I thought the C called the PP sets based on the audible?

QB can absolutely change protection calls....he can move a RB to help PP. He can move a TE to help chip a Blitzer. He can change a pass play to help with PP. He can point out to the center where he sees pressure coming from etc... I mean that's in part why they do hard counts, so they can see if someone is blitzing then adjusting.

"A former NFL offensive lineman explains why pass protection is also the quarterback's job"

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/11/8/20954689/nfl-offensive-line-pass-protection-breakdown-mitchell-trubisky-bears

You're probably right. I just remember Rodgers being pissed off at first because so much was taken out of his control. I was wondering how Kyle manages it here in the same system...couldn't remember honestly.

Did you read that article? It's a perfect explanation on how important the QBs job is with PP and how PP works overall.

Great breakdown from Schwartz. We need better talent on the OL. We need to develop guys no doubt...we need better QB play overall as well.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Guys this goes back to the same thing. Sacks can be the QBs fault or the line's fault but it can also be a great play by the defense. It's the same with every play. The result is rarely as simple as it seems. There is just too much going on in a football game . Blocking and fakes all over. Missed tackles and missed blocks. Defenders missing a call or slipping. Holding that does or doesn't get called. etc, etc. The coaches and players are the ones who really know since they know what all the assignments were.

No doubt...I recommend reading that article