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Originally posted by BandWagon:My lord people on this board are totally defensive... take off the rose colored glasses and see that what I wrote is an honest assessment. I pointed out positives and I pointed out negatives.
Originally posted by pdizo916:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Hate to break it to ya but Yorks == Maloofs.
9erReign=susweel
Originally posted by 9erReign:
I'd wager 10 years or so. Really going to depend on when we get a real HC and if the owner ever wants to spend money in order to win. Finding a coach will probably be more random than anything.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Didn't even read.....handle and sign up date says it all.
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Originally posted by pdizo916:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
Hate to break it to ya but Yorks == Maloofs.
9erReign=susweel
I could only dream of being the Webzone Pick Em Champion TBPH IMHO. Dude knows his football.
Originally posted by Nuns:
Great post Marvin.
For every loss, there is an exciting and unproven product:
Frank Gore: 32 at the start of the season replaced by Hyde and company. A downgrade in pass protection but upgrade in speed.
Patrick Willis: This one hurt, but he is 30 and hasn't played a complete season in 2 years. Borland is a promising replacement and Navarro should be back.
Justin Smith: Loved Justin, be was done. Last year he was above average. Darnell Docket and Tank to replace. Need to address in the draft.
Crabtree: I like Smith to replace Crabtree without a drop in production
Iupati: This one worries me. I hope we have a plan in the draft to bolster the O line. Dallas has proven how important this is. If our oline is good, Gore won't be missed nearly as much.
Coaching: My biggest fear. If JT had hired a proven offensive coordinator, I would have felt better about this move. Harbaugh had a terrible coaching year this past year.
Originally posted by pdizo916:
Originally posted by Nuns:
Great post Marvin.
For every loss, there is an exciting and unproven product:
Frank Gore: 32 at the start of the season replaced by Hyde and company. A downgrade in pass protection but upgrade in speed.
Patrick Willis: This one hurt, but he is 30 and hasn't played a complete season in 2 years. Borland is a promising replacement and Navarro should be back.
Justin Smith: Loved Justin, be was done. Last year he was above average. Darnell Docket and Tank to replace. Need to address in the draft.
Crabtree: I like Smith to replace Crabtree without a drop in production
Iupati: This one worries me. I hope we have a plan in the draft to bolster the O line. Dallas has proven how important this is. If our oline is good, Gore won't be missed nearly as much.
Coaching: My biggest fear. If JT had hired a proven offensive coordinator, I would have felt better about this move. Harbaugh had a terrible coaching year this past year.
Iupait was BAD last year; FLAT OUT BAD. I'm glad his overpaid ass is gone. We drafted two interior lineman in last year's draft-Thomas and Martin. We also have Kilgore and Looney. I have a feeling that one of those guys can take over Iupati's spot. On a side note, I want to kick out Boone to RT and see what he can do. (I don't have any faith in Anthony davis. )
Originally posted by Marvin49:
So I again made the mistake of getting charged up listening to talk radio this morning (gotta stop doing that)..
It was on 95.7 the game. One of the hosts was talking about how from a talent perspective the team may not be as bad off as most let on while one of the other hosts was IMO spewing nonsense. It got me thinking about everything that's happened in the last few months.
Let me start off by saying right off the bat that this isn'[t intended to be a "feel good" post. The Niners are talking some SIGNIFICANT losses this year and they are going to feel it...particularly in the locker room. I don't want to undersell that...but I also want to be clear that IMO it isn't anywhere near as grim as many are letting on.
I guess the best way I can explain it is that we have simply replaced known quantities with unknown quantities. That doesn't mean those unknown quantities will be good or bad and it doesn't mean that those known quantities would ever be again what our perceptions of them are. If that doesn't make sense, let me elaborate.
1) Kaepernick - "Colin is incapable of throwing the deep ball, therefore signing Torrey Smith is a waste of money". This one cracks me up. Whats worse is that like one person said it in a blog somewhere and now people take it as fact and use it in conversation as a foregone conclusion.
Amazes me that people never look at anything more deeply that what they are told to believe.
First off, in 2012, Kap averaged 8.3 yards per attempt with a 62.4% comp%. He was the MOST ACCURATE QB IN THE NFL ON PASSES OVER 20 YARDS. He was better than Aaron Rodgers on such passes. Seriously.
So....what changed? PERSONNEL. In 2012 they ran a TON of play action off a STRONG running game and had Randy Moss, Delanie Walker, and Vernon Davis ALL capable of stretching the defense and in particular in Moss's case force the safety to account for him (mostly on reputation alone).
In 2013, Moss and Walker were gone (as was Crab for most of the year) but Kaps average per attempt was still 7.7 because he had Vernon running deep routes.
In 2014 his average per attempt dropped all the way to 7.0 as the team had ZERO deep threats. Al the receivers were possession receivers. Vernon was a shadow of himself.
This ain't rocket science. If you don't have a deep threat you are going to throw less deep passes and complete less when you try. This is why the statement above is so ludicrous. They got a deep threat. Lets see how things look THIS year.
2) "The run game will suffer with the loss of Frank". Look, I LOVE Frank Gore. He's my favorite Niner of all time. I think he'll be a good player in Indy...but can we all stop pretending that Frank is the same guy he was 4 or 5 years ago? Baalke has know this was going for some time. They've taken RBs in 6 consecutive drafts waiting for this day.
Hunter is a good player if healthy. The sky is the limit with Hyde...he just needs a chance. I even like the prospect of a Reggie Bush for small $$$ as a compliment.
They are an unknown though. People make the mistake of thinking that unknown equals bad. It isn't. In 2004 there were a lot of people on this board who wanted the Niners to lose the so called "Reggie Bush Bowl". The reason was that we wanted the opportunity to take the guy who looked like the second coming of Gayle Sayers. Understand...Frank Gore was ALREADY ON THE ROSTER at the time having just completed his rookie year. Bush was supposedly the known and Gore the unknown.
What happened? Frank ran for 1695 yards. The 49ers won that game so fell in the draft and drafted some TE out of Maryland named Vernon Davis. Reggie Bush (while being a good player) never really panned out as expected and is looking for his 4th NFL team.
I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I know for sure that Hyde will be a great back...but the unknown ain't always bad. It's simply unknown...and quite frankly a bit exciting.
3) "With Patrick Willis retiring the defense is not going to be as good as it was before". This one...I can't really say and again depends o the unknown. Pat is another great player and I wanted him back in the worst way, but he's been slowed down by those feet for a few years now. I don't want to sell that the Niners are better without him because I wanted and still want him back, but the Pat we all know and love isn't the same guiy that's been on the field lately and probably not the same Pat that would have been on the field moving forward.
The is a classic perception vs. reality situation. Is Chris Borland better than Pat in their respective primes? No. Not close. Is Chris better than Pat right now? Possibly....and this from a guy that would much rather Pat held than spot for 4 or 5 more years. I was steadfast against trading or releasing him because of the leadership he brought to the team...and because Borland is still that unknown quantity I spoke about before. Can Borland continue to play like he did? Will he be able to stay healthy at that size? Will he lack of speed get exposed? Will he be able to tackle Marshawn better than he showed this year?
4) "Jed York has destroyed this team by firing Harbaugh". I think a lot of people have a really short memory. So many people seem to have been blindsided by it. The hiring of Tomsula? It was ALWAYS a possibility. York has ALWAYS spoken highly of Tomsula. Even when Harbaugh was being introduced as coach York spoke highly of Tomsula and said that he hoped Harbaugh saw in Tomsula what he did and was willing to keep him.
I really don't have the first clue if Tomsula will be a great HC. I really don't. I am NOT however ASSUMING he will fail just because his last name isn't Shanahan, Gase, or anyone else. The players know the guy. The players LOVE the guy. Dockett and Hayne signed in SF BECAUSE of the guy. I think he deserves a chance.
The bottom line to me here is that this is when we find out how good Baalke really is. All of those red-shirted players will get a chance. All of those player patiently waiting their turn will have a shot to play and see if they are as good as we hope. This roster turnover was going to happen eventually. As many of you are so fond of pointing out, I spend a lot of time on a Seattle Seahawks board. One of the biggest digs they have against the Niners is that they are old.
Well...not so much anymore. Now its time for the young guys to shine. Maybe they will and maybe they won't. Should be fun to find out.
Originally posted by 9erReign:
2. And what was the 49ers record?
Originally posted by Nuns:
Yes, he was. The oline is a unit that needs to gel. Injuries prevented this last year. I wouldn't be upset if the number 15 pick is a lineman this year.
Originally posted by Jcool:Originally posted by Niners816:Didn't even read.....handle and sign up date says it all.
Thanks for the riveting insight.
Originally posted by Team49ers:
did the same, probably another weakhawk hoping we fail
