What does JT need to accomplish to return as HC in 2016/17?

Originally posted by eastie:
There have been plenty of posts with "fans" writing off the new coaching staff. # NFC championships games a Superbowl, and then 8 - 8. The ride was over. JH's history in coaching repeated itself time and time again. He's good for about 4 years and then the wheels fall off. I think he's going to be a much more successful coach in the long run at the college level, mainly because the players are gone after four years and he won't hit the wall with them. If he can handle his relationship with the administration he will do well.

My point about Bill was that he was given time to prove himself, and Tomsula and co. should also be afforded the same opportunity.

Haha, yeah, it was a bad call from me to say 'nobody.' Still, Tomsula isn't being tasked with a rebuild and I think he'll need to provide instant results given the talent he has to work with.

Statistically, I think the Niners schedule is something like the third toughest for the 2015 season. But I don't think it's as bad as it looks. Their two hardest AFC East challenges, the Bengals and the Ravens, are both home games. They get the Vikings at home which is good because the Vikings play a lot better in their dome. And one of their AFC East road games is the Browns. They also get the Packers at home - that's been a real bonanza for the team lately. They have to play road games in New York, Detroit, Chicago and Pittsburgh so that will be a challenge.

And then there's the division, but it looks a little out of sorts right now. If they get Seattle early in the season, the Seahawks could be without a couple members of their secondary who could still be recovering from injuries. And both the Cardinals and Rams are very unsettled in a number of areas.

at least a playoff appearance. and we can't just barely get into the playoffs. if we just sneak into the playoffs and we happen to get blown out, restart with a new coaching staff lol. however, i don't know how many people would want to come coach for us if we do something like that.

Just don't poop your pants.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by slowriot:

Originally posted by iceberg450r:

I agree with this

Year 1: Winning record.
Year 2: Deep playoff run.
Year 3: Super Bowl victory.

But lets be honest, i don't think this is possible because the team is aging and appears to ready to take shot at the super bowl now. Plus next year with out a playoff appearance and we may move on from Kap. Then we are looking for a QB in the Draft or free agency. Unlikely we are going to get a rookie QB who is going to take us deep into the playoffs in year 2 and then a SB win in year 3. And when was the last time a super bowl ready QB hit the market in free agency. The only ones i can think off is P Manning and D. Brees. I don't see any one like that being available next year.

I don't think that's entirely accurate. Outside of J.Smith, Boldin, V.Davis, F.Gore and P.Willis, the core of our team is well under 30. A.Brooks is likely gone this offseason. I expect Gore is gone as well. J. Smith might retire. Davis is in a make or break season and Boldin looks like he has one year left in him. Baalke has done a good job of balancing youth with experience over the past few seasons and I expect that to continue.

You're right about this though - If Kap doesn't show progress this season, then this team is at least three years away from a Super Bowl.

Correct. We average age 26 right now with those guys. Without 25.

The average age thing is SO overblown. I bet if you totaled up all NFL teams, the youngest team would be like 25.2 yrs of age, and the oldest would be like 28.4. It means nothing, because unless your average age is 35, youre going to have most of your players in their prime years.

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:

Jed York said it himself.....They expect championships. Harbaugh was fired and he had more wins in those 4 years than any other coach in the NFL. So Tomsula better win a Super Bowl. If not, fire him. Right, Jed???

Harbaugh didnt get fired for not winning a SB, he got fired for refusing to adapt to get over that hump.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by PatrickWillisHOF:
Jed York said it himself.....They expect championships. Harbaugh was fired and he had more wins in those 4 years than any other coach in the NFL. So Tomsula better win a Super Bowl. If not, fire him. Right, Jed???

Harbaugh didnt get fired for not winning a SB, he got fired for refusing to adapt to get over that hump.

That may be right, but it's just speculation.

Originally posted by crake49:
Statistically, I think the Niners schedule is something like the third toughest for the 2015 season. But I don't think it's as bad as it looks. Their two hardest AFC East challenges, the Bengals and the Ravens, are both home games. They get the Vikings at home which is good because the Vikings play a lot better in their dome. And one of their AFC East road games is the Browns. They also get the Packers at home - that's been a real bonanza for the team lately. They have to play road games in New York, Detroit, Chicago and Pittsburgh so that will be a challenge.

And then there's the division, but it looks a little out of sorts right now. If they get Seattle early in the season, the Seahawks could be without a couple members of their secondary who could still be recovering from injuries. And both the Cardinals and Rams are very unsettled in a number of areas.

I agree that the schedule is deceiving. That AFC North beat up on the NFC South this past year.

Quick corrction: Minnesota doesn't play in a Dome right now. But they are a better matchup in SF.

in my opinion he should have to make it to the playoffs. but Jed is probably so arrogant that he'll keep him around for ten years even if we don't win a single game

Pretty interesting that just 16% of poll respondents think Tomsula is safe even if he doesn't have a winning season - I thought that number would be higher.

Originally posted by slowriot:

Pretty interesting that just 16% of poll respondents think Tomsula is safe even if he doesn't have a winning season - I thought that number would be higher.

The owners handpicked guy usually gets more than 1 year regardless.

Originally posted by slowriot:
Pretty interesting that just 16% of poll respondents think Tomsula is safe even if he doesn't have a winning season - I thought that number would be higher.

He was handed the job. They are going to give him 3 or 4 years before they can him, regardless of how bad he does. The only way I see that changing is if we are the worst team in the NFL on more than one occasion within that time frame or the unlikely event Tomsula grows a pair and goes against Baalke's wishes (he'll be gone before we know it if that happens).

People either forgot or just don't want to believe that York and Baalke had this set up before the 2014 season even began. They wanted Tomsula to be their coach because he is a yes man and I find it unlikely they'd be willing to admit they f**ked up royally until it is beyond argument, which is going to take around 4 seasons of mediocrity (or two seasons of bottom dwelling).

I was among those who believed Harbaugh had to go based on his refusal to fix the problem on offense by firing his inept buddy Roman. He was never going to make the necessary changes and that means we were never going to get over the hump. There's no reason in keeping him if that's the case. However, I didn't realize the coaching "search" was going to be a complete sham and they weren't even going to seriously consider anyone other than their pre-chosen yes man.

Basically, I don't believe York and Baalke would admit their mistake so quickly, so Tomsula will be around even if he has a crap season.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by slowriot:
Pretty interesting that just 16% of poll respondents think Tomsula is safe even if he doesn't have a winning season - I thought that number would be higher.

The owners handpicked guy usually gets more than 1 year regardless.

Most coaches - regardless of whether they are hand picked by the owner - get more than one season. But with a roster as stacked as ours, and a record as good as ours over the past four seasons, expectations are high.

The Average Tenure of an NFL Head Coach is 38 Months.
There have been 70 Head Coaching changes in the past decade. The 49ers alone have changed coaches SIX times in 12 years.
Being a Head Coach for more than 1 year is NOT guaranteed....