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  • cciowa
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Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
I am firmly in the "hate this offseason" camp, but I will say, I love Tomsula,always have, and am rooting for him, and the team, but, I little confidence in his staff. Managing and Gyeep were second and third on my list of coaches to dump, right behind Roman. The loss of so many key players takes the heat off, my expectations can't get any lower. That being said, I am really jacked about the things Im hearing from mini camp, and hold out hope that we will surprise a few teams this year.

underwhelmed by many of the coaching hires but what they did before this year means nothing, so i will support them, have a open mind and hope for the best,,, when you hear good reports coming in from camp about things getting done, the pace of the practice and how well the coaches are interacting with each other and the players, it should give everyone reason for hope
  • cciowa
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Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by SoCold:
I love how every other thread in NT turns into a Harbaugh thread.

The obsession is real.

multiple pro bowl players retire or leave in free agency but our depth is better. Lol only in nt
we have not even had a pre season game but this is the worst off season ever, lol only in the romper room sector of nt

Lol its the OFF SEASON how you gonna see a pre season game ? Can you even read bro, check the thread title.

the changes we have made are for the better in my opinion. but of course you are bound and determined to bury this team before you even see them play a pre season game. you got to start somewhere and reading mini camp reports and hearing from the players themselves, they must agree with me. of course the positive news does not fit your agenda so continue to throw cold water and discredit it to your hearts content

but how can you have an opinion before you even see a pre season game ?
i just happen to like all the players we signed, i am fine with every player we got rid of. that is the starting point for me. i do not believe in cherry picking a piece of video to show how much a guy sucks when he was in a different uniform. i could care less what our coaches this year did before they got here. i choose to be a optimist based upon reports from camp on how receptive the players have been to the changes, the new fellow players and new coaches. i am a half full glass person in regards to our team this year. i was also disgusted by last year and feel there is no way it could get worse. now you have a different view, without seeing a pre season game and i just disagree. i also find it amusing how you refuse to accept the smallest piece of good news from camp. its like you have willed yourself to have a closed mind because of your blind loyalty to a coach no longer here
  • SoCold
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Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by SoCold:
I love how every other thread in NT turns into a Harbaugh thread.

The obsession is real.

multiple pro bowl players retire or leave in free agency but our depth is better. Lol only in nt
we have not even had a pre season game but this is the worst off season ever, lol only in the romper room sector of nt

Lol its the OFF SEASON how you gonna see a pre season game ? Can you even read bro, check the thread title.

the changes we have made are for the better in my opinion. but of course you are bound and determined to bury this team before you even see them play a pre season game. you got to start somewhere and reading mini camp reports and hearing from the players themselves, they must agree with me. of course the positive news does not fit your agenda so continue to throw cold water and discredit it to your hearts content

but how can you have an opinion before you even see a pre season game ?
i just happen to like all the players we signed, i am fine with every player we got rid of. that is the starting point for me. i do not believe in cherry picking a piece of video to show how much a guy sucks when he was in a different uniform. i could care less what our coaches this year did before they got here. i choose to be a optimist based upon reports from camp on how receptive the players have been to the changes, the new fellow players and new coaches. i am a half full glass person in regards to our team this year. i was also disgusted by last year and feel there is no way it could get worse. now you have a different view, without seeing a pre season game and i just disagree. i also find it amusing how you refuse to accept the smallest piece of good news from camp. its like you have willed yourself to have a closed mind because of your blind loyalty to a coach no longer here

I'm hoping for the best during the season. The FO has given me reason to doubt. I'm cool with some of the players we signed. Others I don't like. I'm not happy about losing Frank Gore. I'm not happy about losing 12 starters. The HC had to go, fine. To tell me Jim Tomsula was the best guy for the job is a little crazy to me. Of all the coaches in the world Jim Tomsula who's been a line coach for 10 years without a promotion is the best guy. I find that odd.

All I can do sitting here is hope things turn out good. I am not going to bow down and agree or like everything that has happened just because I've been a fan of this team for 30 years.
Originally posted by SoCold:
I'm hoping for the best during the season. The FO has given me reason to doubt. I'm cool with some of the players we signed. Others I don't like. I'm not happy about losing Frank Gore. I'm not happy about losing 12 starters. The HC had to go, fine. To tell me Jim Tomsula was the best guy for the job is a little crazy to me. Of all the coaches in the world Jim Tomsula who's been a line coach for 10 years without a promotion is the best guy. I find that odd.

All I can do sitting here is hope things turn out good. I am not going to bow down and agree or like everything that has happened just because I've been a fan of this team for 30 years.

Originally posted by SoCold:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by susweel:
Originally posted by SoCold:
I love how every other thread in NT turns into a Harbaugh thread.

The obsession is real.

multiple pro bowl players retire or leave in free agency but our depth is better. Lol only in nt
we have not even had a pre season game but this is the worst off season ever, lol only in the romper room sector of nt

Lol its the OFF SEASON how you gonna see a pre season game ? Can you even read bro, check the thread title.

the changes we have made are for the better in my opinion. but of course you are bound and determined to bury this team before you even see them play a pre season game. you got to start somewhere and reading mini camp reports and hearing from the players themselves, they must agree with me. of course the positive news does not fit your agenda so continue to throw cold water and discredit it to your hearts content

but how can you have an opinion before you even see a pre season game ?
i just happen to like all the players we signed, i am fine with every player we got rid of. that is the starting point for me. i do not believe in cherry picking a piece of video to show how much a guy sucks when he was in a different uniform. i could care less what our coaches this year did before they got here. i choose to be a optimist based upon reports from camp on how receptive the players have been to the changes, the new fellow players and new coaches. i am a half full glass person in regards to our team this year. i was also disgusted by last year and feel there is no way it could get worse. now you have a different view, without seeing a pre season game and i just disagree. i also find it amusing how you refuse to accept the smallest piece of good news from camp. its like you have willed yourself to have a closed mind because of your blind loyalty to a coach no longer here

I'm hoping for the best during the season. The FO has given me reason to doubt. I'm cool with some of the players we signed. Others I don't like. I'm not happy about losing Frank Gore. I'm not happy about losing 12 starters. The HC had to go, fine. To tell me Jim Tomsula was the best guy for the job is a little crazy to me. Of all the coaches in the world Jim Tomsula who's been a line coach for 10 years without a promotion is the best guy. I find that odd.

All I can do sitting here is hope things turn out good. I am not going to bow down and agree or like everything that has happened just because I've been a fan of this team for 30 years.

I think this is a perfectly fair stance TBH. There are many things to raise an eyebrow to. Many reasons to, at best, be very cautiously optimistic (even pessimistic at times). More questions than answers right now.

But to question the moves that were made that NOW are old news is fine but it also must be balanced with acknowledging that many of those moves that were made were made by individual coaches and players themselves: Fangio choosing to leave if he wasn't made HC or given the HC he personally wanted, RayMac's debacle, Aldon's immaturity/addiction, Borland and A.Davis deciding on their own to retire, Harbaugh burning his own bridges down along with several surrounding villages, Gore choosing to leave for one last shot, Justin/Willis choosing to retire, Andy Lee, etc. The FO is literally given sh!t for every single (perceived negative) move made and that is not only irresponsible but frankly, immature. It's weak and brainless.

But most of this is in the past now...if not all of it. The reports NOW are that we've got some serious weapons on offense, defense, serious depth at the mass majority of the positions, there are fierce camp battles going on right now, we now have insight into offensive and defensive philosophies, even special teams (Pinion), etc.

The team is taking shape and building off a former identity (the successes from it) but cleaning it up and adding a few more bells and whistles to it (clearly).

I think if the dooms-dayers can put the blind hate down for a second, stop living in the past for a second, there is way more evidence (right now) to get excited about. After all, we ALL agreed on all the issues we had under the former regime. This new regime seems to attacking every single one of those issues right out of the gate!

If you are genuinely a fan of this TEAM, these reports should be pretty encouraging at the very least for you no matter what camp you are in. It's still way early but it sure sounds like the train is moving now and most importantly, moving forward faster and faster on the correct tracks.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/180996-congrats-jim-tomsula-new-head-coach/page372/#post5573

http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/182394-what-single-important-change-youd-like-2015-49ers/page9/#post135
[ Edited by NCommand on Jun 12, 2015 at 8:38 AM ]
  • cciowa
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Originally posted by SoCold:
I'm hoping for the best during the season. The FO has given me reason to doubt. I'm cool with some of the players we signed. Others I don't like. I'm not happy about losing Frank Gore. I'm not happy about losing 12 starters. The HC had to go, fine. To tell me Jim Tomsula was the best guy for the job is a little crazy to me. Of all the coaches in the world Jim Tomsula who's been a line coach for 10 years without a promotion is the best guy. I find that odd.

All I can do sitting here is hope things turn out good. I am not going to bow down and agree or like everything that has happened just because I've been a fan of this team for 30 years.

you are a credit to the webzone! i to was underwhelmed by the hires but am giving them a chance and so far, reports are good. of course we do not know what happens when the bullets start to fly but we are off to a good start, if one chooses to believe the things we hear coming out of mini camp. sure its just mini camp but for everything there is a beginning and this is our beginning. i am very very excited!
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Five reasons the Niners won't fall off in 2015

http://www.espn.co.uk/american-football/insider/story/_/id/13064154/why-san-francisco-49ers-drop-2015-nfl
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Originally posted by boast:
Five reasons the Niners won't fall off in 2015

http://www.espn.co.uk/american-football/insider/story/_/id/13064154/why-san-francisco-49ers-drop-2015-nfl

had to go all the way to the UK to find a positive spin.
Originally posted by boast:
Five reasons the Niners won't fall off in 2015

http://www.espn.co.uk/american-football/insider/story/_/id/13064154/why-san-francisco-49ers-drop-2015-nfl

Nice! I think the media is starting to catch on. A lot of positive vibes coming from camp. We've suffered some big losses, but there is also reason to be excited about some of the coaching and player changes.

The WR core is vastly improved, and the offensive philosophy will better play to each guy's strength.

Defensively we're still very talented, and Mangini is a smart guy.

Once you get over the mass hysteria from the off-season and analyze all the pieces, you start to realize we still have the makings of a pretty good team.
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by boast:
Five reasons the Niners won't fall off in 2015

http://www.espn.co.uk/american-football/insider/story/_/id/13064154/why-san-francisco-49ers-drop-2015-nfl

Nice! I think the media is starting to catch on. A lot of positive vibes coming from camp. We've suffered some big losses, but there is also reason to be excited about some of the coaching and player changes.

The WR core is vastly improved, and the offensive philosophy will better play to each guy's strength.

Defensively we're still very talented, and Mangini is a smart guy.

Once you get over the mass hysteria from the off-season and analyze all the pieces, you start to realize we still have the makings of a pretty good team.
Don't tell anyone else that. We want the naysayers to be surprised when the 49ers win Super Bowl L in their home stadium.
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Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
Originally posted by SofaKing:
Originally posted by boast:
Five reasons the Niners won't fall off in 2015

http://www.espn.co.uk/american-football/insider/story/_/id/13064154/why-san-francisco-49ers-drop-2015-nfl

Nice! I think the media is starting to catch on. A lot of positive vibes coming from camp. We've suffered some big losses, but there is also reason to be excited about some of the coaching and player changes.

The WR core is vastly improved, and the offensive philosophy will better play to each guy's strength.

Defensively we're still very talented, and Mangini is a smart guy.

Once you get over the mass hysteria from the off-season and analyze all the pieces, you start to realize we still have the makings of a pretty good team.
Don't tell anyone else that. We want the naysayers to be surprised when the 49ers win Super Bowl L in their home stadium.

Lols
Originally posted by boast:
Five reasons the Niners won't fall off in 2015

http://www.espn.co.uk/american-football/insider/story/_/id/13064154/why-san-francisco-49ers-drop-2015-nfl

This point in particular is spot on:

2. There is precedent for overcoming big defensive losses

Baltimore went through something similar after its 2012 Super Bowl season. That Ravens defense lost players who totaled 5,441 snaps, led by Cary Williams, Ed Reed, Bernard Pollard, Paul Kruger, Dannell Ellerbe and Ray Lewis. But the Ravens got better from a statistical standpoint the next season, improving from 13th to ninth in defensive expected points added.

The 49ers have lost players who combined for 4,107 snaps last season, counting Ray McDonald, who the team cut late last season. Like Lewis in 2012, Willis was not as dominant as he once was; slowed by foot trouble, he ranked 21st among inside linebackers last season in Pro Football Focus' grading. In 2014, the 49ers got only part-time work from talented young defenders Aldon Smith, Tank Carradine, Corey Lemonier, Jimmie Ward, Quinton Dial and Aaron Lynch. The Niners can reasonably expect much more from most of those players and others, including cornerback Dontae Johnson.

We cannot know whether the 49ers' young replacements will play well enough for the defense to improve upon its No. 14 ranking in defensive EPA. We do know the Ravens overcame similar challenges not long ago, and there's a lot of young talent on that side of the ball for the Niners.



Listening to 49ers.com, the two players they tabbed as most underrated this off season thus far (by far) were Ian Williams and Tartt. Strong right down the middle esp. with Bowman back. This defense IMHO is stacked and that CB position is not only deep and talented but diverse as well...you can play big (Johnson and Cook) or go veterans in Wright and Brock or go straight youth in Johnson, Reaser or Acker. If Ward ever gets 100% healthy, he's another dynamic play maker in the middle of the field and if Mangini understands how to use him, he's going to be a weapon for us.
[ Edited by NCommand on Jun 12, 2015 at 3:20 PM ]
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Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
Don't tell anyone else that. We want the naysayers to be surprised when the 49ers win Super Bowl L in their home stadium.

the haters will just say we did it with players from the former person. some like to keep moving that goal post because i believe there are some who do not want our new coach to be as ,or more, successful than the the former person.. its like people who do not want L james to be as good or better than M jordan .. just cc speculation
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
Don't tell anyone else that. We want the naysayers to be surprised when the 49ers win Super Bowl L in their home stadium.

the haters will just say we did it with players from the former person. some like to keep moving that goal post because i believe there are some who do not want our new coach to be as ,or more, successful than the the former person.. its like people who do not want L james to be as good or better than M jordan .. just cc speculation

Oh crap we already won the Super Bowl next year?
  • cciowa
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Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
Don't tell anyone else that. We want the naysayers to be surprised when the 49ers win Super Bowl L in their home stadium.

the haters will just say we did it with players from the former person. some like to keep moving that goal post because i believe there are some who do not want our new coach to be as ,or more, successful than the the former person.. its like people who do not want L james to be as good or better than M jordan .. just cc speculation

Oh crap we already won the Super Bowl next year?
no, we will be 4-12 and we have not even played a game yet
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