49ers history thread

Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
our history is mediocre compared to some teams....

It's better to have absolutely no history, actually

If only we could be like Minnesota or Buffalo...looking for our first SB win! Or if we could have an owner like Dan Snyder who really understands football!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by LayTheWoodall:

Originally posted by pdizo916:
our history is mediocre compared to some teams....

It's better to have absolutely no history, actually

If only we could be like Minnesota or Buffalo...looking for our first SB win! Or if we could have an owner like Dan Snyder who really understands football!

i shake my head when i think of those viking super bowl teams, they got to the big game, foreman vanished and they were not even competitive. nfc must have been weak. the cowboys were good all decade long, we had a few minutes but that was it.

this never gets old

Originally posted by SoCold:
this never gets old

Thank you!

IMO, the best running TD by a QB in NFL history.

Originally posted by SoCold:

this never gets old

Steve was just a football player. That play is incredible. He really does look like he coulda played HB in the NFL. Between this run, Craig running over the Rams and Hearst's 96 yarder in OT vs the jets, we've been lucky to have some very iconic runs.

With Jarryd Hayne trialling for the 49ers I thought it only fair to look up something i remember from my childhood here in australia with an american NFL player playing rugby league in sydney and was surprised to find that the player i remembered was actually a 49er in 1974 and 1975. Running back Manfred Moore. A bit about his story in these items. Enjoy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manfred_Moore

http://www.nfl.com/player/manfredmoore/2521526/profile

http://www.theage.com.au/news/news/when-an-american-bled-for-newtown/2007/08/23/1187462439007.html

http://www.smh.com.au/news/league/when-manfred-was-the-man/2007/02/09/1170524302626.html?page=fullpage

Originally posted by SoCold:
this never gets old

Thanks for the bump SC!!! (If you don't want to read my prolix waffle please skip to the question at the bottom of the post, that's what this post is really about...)

Great thread... It's a pleasure reading through & watching all the clips... An amazing team with an amazing history.

I haven't been on this forum long, all the Hayne hype sucked me in, but I hope to be around much longer with or without Hayne...
I've been an American Football fan since the early 2000's both college & pro... (I was of a fan of pro first, it takes a little longer to get into college if you have no affiliation with the institutions as its format is more complicated). I've never followed one specific team, instead just watched all teams randomly & rode the roller coaster of the season... (Kind of a love of the game type of thing).


I'm not American so I grew up with other sports, but about 5 years ago American Football usurped Rugby Union as my number one sport. (It's number two now & still much loved).

It truly is wonderfully unique game you have there in the US...


I was thinking that I'd like to post a topic, but Niner Talk seems to revolve around the current 49ers climate & my question/topic is a hypothetical comparison or opinion based question with no bearing on current events. So perhaps this is the best place for it, I'll see if it gets a response...



Now for my question/topic... (Can you give me some insight or an opinion?) ....Guys with historical perspective, who saw the full careers of both players. Your input would be much appreciated.

It's a hypothetical time warp Question:



Joe Montana is considered by many/most the best QB of the 80's (If not All-Time) & Steve Young the same for the 90's...

The 49ers were the team of the 80's, while the Dallas Cowboys, the team Steve had to face were the team of the 90's...

If you swap Prime 80's Montana with Prime 90's Young how do you think it'd affect the results of the two teams?

Whose career would have been better? (Do both still make the HOF)

Would the 80's teams still win the Same/More/Fewer SB's? (Be as overall successful with Steve.)

Would the 90's teams be as or more successful with Joe at the helm?



I look forward to your feedback...

Joe Montana is the greatest QB to ever play. He would have won more superbowls in the 90's and today, some of those defense were stacked in the 80's that he faced.

I will say that it would be intriguing to see Steve run the read option today. Other than that, Joe dominates in every decade.

I'm going to say that both would be great in either the 80's, 90's, 00's or today. Montana faced some incredibly great defenses. Young had to deal with a couple teams that had offensive juggernauts going on often without the benefit of a good running game. Either one of them would have flourished in today's game because they wouldn't have to take the beatings they did back in the day.

Originally posted by SportOvaFilmTV:

Originally posted by SoCold:
this never gets old

Thanks for the bump SC!!! (If you don't want to read my prolix waffle please skip to the question at the bottom of the post, that's what this post is really about...)

Great thread... It's a pleasure reading through & watching all the clips... An amazing team, with an amazing history.

I haven't been on this forum long, all the Hayne hype sucked me in, but I hope to be around much longer with or without Hayne...
I've been an American Football fan since the early 2000's both College & Pro... (I was of a fan of Pro first, it takes a little longer to get into College if you have no affiliation with the institutions as its format is more complicated.) I've never followed one specific team, instead just watched all teams randomly & rode the rollercoaster of the season... (Kind of a love of the game type of thing.)


I'm not American so I grew up with other sports, but about 5 years ago American Football usurped Rugby Union as my number one sport. (It's number two now & still much loved.)

It truly is wonderfully unique game you have there in the US... The Jarryd Hanye situation where a guy on top walks away from millions & the chance for even more millions as Rugby League has just done a new TV deal, because he has a dream to play in the NFL (He even wanted to play College Football) is an eye opening indication to the magnetism American Football has around the globe.... (Trust me there are plenty of other athletes out there who share a similar passion for AFootball as Hayne does.... Hayne just had the courage to go over & act upon it, even with no clearly defined pathways into Pro Football.)


I don't think with American Football you need teams in other Countries to grow the game, only access & pathways for International athletes to play in America. You can see what the whole Hayne situation has done for interest in the game (Okoye as well) imagine a foreign player excelling in College & going high in the draft in a skilled position.... Hopefully in the future this will happen more frequently! The American Football World Cup may never be a big thing (Yes, I know they have one) but there is still plenty of growth & new markets for AFootball to explore...


I was thinking that I'd like to post a topic, but Niner Talk seems to revolve around the current 49ers climate & my question/topic is a hypothetical comparison or opinion based question with no bearing on current events. So perhaps this is the best place for it, I'll see if it gets a response...

Steve Young is my second favourite Football player of All-Time... The top 4 in my list are as follows below. (This is all because of & thanks to the great job; NFL/Football historians do at preserving & bringing Football's history to life... (NFL Films, the Sabol's I'm looking at you & all the fans on Football forums you too.) Remember I didn't start watching till the early 2000's*

1. Jim Brown
2. Steve Young
3. Jerry Rice
4. Lawrence Taylor (49er fans may not like this guy?)

I love me some Joe Montana too, my question involves him... Truth is I love all the Football greats & characters that make the game what it is.... (I never feel the need to appoint someone the greatest of All-Time, but have no problem if you do.... Hell my personal 2nd favourite WR is T.O, is that where he'd be ranked All-Time? Probably not, but he is an All-Time great & I have no problem putting him there.)


Now for my question/topic... (Can you give me some insight or an opinion?).... Guys with historical perspective, who saw the full careers of both players. Your input would be much appreciated.

It's a hypothetical time warp Question:



Joe Montana is considered by many/most the best QB of the 80's (If not All-Time) & Steve Young the same for the 90's...

The 49ers were the team of the 80's, while the Dallas Cowboys, the team Steve had to face were the team of the 90's...

If you swap Prime 80's Montana with Prime 90's Young how do you think it'd affect the results of the two teams?

Whose career would have been better? (Do both still make the HOF)

Would the 80's teams still win the Same/More/Less SB's? (Be as overall successful with Steve.)

Would the (90's teams be as or more successful with Joe at the helm?



I look forward to your feedback...

nice question

Actually Joe did better at the beginning and end of his 49ers career than he did in his so called prime. There were 3 years in the middle 85, 86 and 87 when he had 0 td's and 4 int in 3 playoff losses.

Joe and Steve were on the same team from 87-90. IMO either QB wins those back to back super bowls because those teams were so stacked all around. IF only Craig didn't fumble against NY we would have seen if Steve could have pulled out the 3 in a row due to Montana's injury.

Joe's first SB happened because of the catch. IMO Steve would not have made that play as a younger player. Joe was just so cool under pressure in the biggest games it was unreal.

The 1984 team was stacked if Steve was on that team I think they win.

I think Joe had better defenses to help him in the 80's than Steve had in the 90's.
I think Joe would have been better against some of the 90's defenses that Steve had trouble with.


With that said,

I think Steve wins the SB in 1984, 1988 and 1989.
I think Joe wins the SB in 1988, 1989, 1992, 1994, and 1997.

Originally posted by SoCold:

nice question

Actually Joe did better at the beginning and end of his 49ers career than he did in his so called prime. There were 3 years in the middle 85, 86 and 87 when he had 0 td's and 4 int in 3 playoff losses.

Joe and Steve were on the same team from 87-90. IMO either QB wins those back to back super bowls because those teams were so stacked all around. IF only Craig didn't fumble against NY we would have seen if Steve could have pulled out the 3 in a row due to Montana's injury.

Joe's first SB happened because of the catch. IMO Steve would not have made that play as a younger player. Joe was just so cool under pressure in the biggest games it was unreal.

The 1984 team was stacked if Steve was on that team I think they win.

I think Joe had better defenses to help him in the 80's than Steve had in the 90's.
I think Joe would have been better against some of the 90's defenses that Steve had trouble with.


With that said,

I think Steve wins the SB in 1984, 1988 and 1989.
I think Joe wins the SB in 1988, 1989, 1992, 1994, and 1997.

I like this assessment. I also think if Joe was healthy 1991 would've been a slam dunk title. We wouldn't have had to break in a newer QB (who coincidently missed 5 games anyway), therefore instead of going 10-6, maybe we go 12-4 or 13-3 and make the playoffs. As it stands, our 1991 team was the hottest team in the league (personally I think they would've won with Steve had they qualified) with a 6-0 record down the stretch. Anyway, 1991 was the precursor to the '92-'94 run.

Usually I steer clear of Joe vs Steve topics because they are my two favorite players (hence the 816 in my name).

also in 1982 the strike year there was only 9 games played.
The 49ers 3-6 missed the modified playoffs by one game. Lost 3 games by 3 points or less
Lions made it in with a 4-5 record.
Washington had the best defense in the league that year but it would have been interesting to see 49ers vs Washington instead of the Lions.

49ers should have beat Washington in 1983 to go to the super bowl

The 9ers could have 10 super bowls by now lol

Originally posted by SoCold:

also in 1982 the strike year there was only 9 games played.
The 49ers 3-6 missed the modified playoffs by one game. Lost 3 games by 3 points or less
Lions made it in with a 4-5 record.
Washington had the best defense in the league that year but it would have been interesting to see 49ers vs Washington instead of the Lions.

49ers should have beat Washington in 1983 to go to the super bowl

The 9ers could have 10 super bowls by now lol

We've gotta be the only franchise that got 5 in 14 years, that's disappointed because with any luck it really could been at least 7-8

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
Thank you!

IMO, the best running TD by a QB in NFL history.

Originally posted by Niners816:
Steve was just a football player. That play is incredible. He really does look like he coulda played HB in the NFL. Between this run, Craig running over the Rams and Hearst's 96 yarder in OT vs the jets, we've been lucky to have some very iconic runs.

Have no idea how he made 2 Vikings defenders bounced off a tackle like that. I remembered watching this live. First you're just amazed at how he escaped the sure sack. It seemed like the longest freak'n run. You expect him to get tackled, but kept going, and going, then just when you thought he would score, he started to stumble

I love me some Joe Montana too, my question involves him... Truth is I love all the Football greats & characters that make the game what it is.... (I never feel the need to appoint someone the greatest of All-Time, but have no problem if you do.... Hell my personal 2nd favourite WR is T.O, is that where he'd be ranked All-Time? Probably not, but he is an All-Time great & I have no problem putting him there.)


Now for my question/topic... (Can you give me some insight or an opinion?).... Guys with historical perspective, who saw the full careers of both players. Your input would be much appreciated.

It's a hypothetical time warp Question:


Joe Montana is considered by many/most the best QB of the 80's (If not All-Time) & Steve Young the same for the 90's...

The 49ers were the team of the 80's, while the Dallas Cowboys, the team Steve had to face were the team of the 90's...

If you swap Prime 80's Montana with Prime 90's Young how do you think it'd affect the results of the two teams?

Whose career would have been better? (Do both still make the HOF)

Would the 80's teams still win the Same/More/Less SB's? (Be as overall successful with Steve.)

Would the 90's teams be as or more successful with Joe at the helm?



I look forward to your feedback...

Steve did not have the defense that Joe had in the 80's. Haley was traded to the cowboys because of his loyalty to Joe. Also Joe played in a capless era. Steve would have won more if Haley stayed put and didn't get traded to the cowboys (as that would swing the balance) and also if Rickey Waters didn't take the money and run he would have done better. So if Joe played in the nineties and Steve in the 80's Haley would be loyal to Steve and would still demand a trade. You cannot just dump a person and not take in the consequences and say just switch the players or dump them in the scenario-it is what you call the Butterfly effect.