49ers Rushing Ranks During Greg Roman Stint

Roman had flaws but alot of people are simply forgetting Kapernick missing a lot of wide open receivers on passing plays.

Originally posted by 9er2k:
Roman had flaws but alot of people are simply forgetting Kapernick missing a lot of wide open receivers on passing plays.

or you're simply saying that just because you want to.
a lot of the plays both running and passing were doomed from the start.

What were our numbers in games that really mattered?

Originally posted by thl408:
http://www.chatsports.com/san-francisco-49ers/a/Alex-Boone-called-in-to-radio-station-to-talk-about-Jim-Tomsula-hiring-2-11013426

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Topic: On if Greg Roman lost sight of the offense's strengths:

Alex Boone: No. I don't think so. I think G-Ro always had it in the back of his mind who we were. I think sometimes we didn't put ourselves in the best situations, so we kind of had to get ourselves out of situations. I would never talk bad about G-Ro. I have great respect for the guy. And I think he came under enormous pressure. I mean no question, people came down on him hard. At the same time, people forget how the game is played. You go down, you can't just keep running the ball, you have to spread it out. I think his thing was was, 'I'm trying to keep people away from loading the box.' We would talk all the time, and I'd say, 'G-Ro, we gotta run the ball.' And he'd be like, 'Dude, what are you going to do, run against nine guys in the box? You're going to run against that?' We gotta spread people out, we gotta make them fear our pass game. That's what he was always trying to do. I think sometimes we hurt ourselves doing it. You know, giving up sacks, throwing bad balls, not catching the ball. That was on us. For the most part, his heart was always in the right place. He always wanted to run the rock and give it to Frank.

Wow, nice find -- thanks for sharing that.

I agree with the quote though. Football isn't played in a vacuum. If an OC stays balanced, people complain ("he's too predictable!"). You you try to exploit what the defense is giving you, people complain ("he's abandoning the [run/pass]!"). I think offensive coordinator is probably the most thankless job in the NFL. Every OC in the league is scapegoated. Every one of them.

I think Roman was fine -- much better than most people give him credit for being. People act like he was the worse coordinator in the league, but he was far from it. Collectively our offense was respectable during the HaRoman tenure. Could it have been better? Sure. But it also could've been a lot worse.

But what Boone is saying at the end is totally accurate. You can call the best game in the world, but ultimately it's up to the players to execute.

Originally posted by theduke85:

Originally posted by thl408:
http://www.chatsports.com/san-francisco-49ers/a/Alex-Boone-called-in-to-radio-station-to-talk-about-Jim-Tomsula-hiring-2-11013426

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Topic: On if Greg Roman lost sight of the offense's strengths:

Alex Boone: No. I don't think so. I think G-Ro always had it in the back of his mind who we were. I think sometimes we didn't put ourselves in the best situations, so we kind of had to get ourselves out of situations. I would never talk bad about G-Ro. I have great respect for the guy. And I think he came under enormous pressure. I mean no question, people came down on him hard. At the same time, people forget how the game is played. You go down, you can't just keep running the ball, you have to spread it out. I think his thing was was, 'I'm trying to keep people away from loading the box.' We would talk all the time, and I'd say, 'G-Ro, we gotta run the ball.' And he'd be like, 'Dude, what are you going to do, run against nine guys in the box? You're going to run against that?' We gotta spread people out, we gotta make them fear our pass game. That's what he was always trying to do. I think sometimes we hurt ourselves doing it. You know, giving up sacks, throwing bad balls, not catching the ball. That was on us. For the most part, his heart was always in the right place. He always wanted to run the rock and give it to Frank.

Wow, nice find -- thanks for sharing that.

I agree with the quote though. Football isn't played in a vacuum. If an OC stays balanced, people complain ("he's too predictable!"). You you try to exploit what the defense is giving you, people complain ("he's abandoning the [run/pass]!"). I think offensive coordinator is probably the most thankless job in the NFL. Every OC in the league is scapegoated. Every one of them.

I think Roman was fine -- much better than most people give him credit for being. People act like he was the worse coordinator in the league, but he was far from it. Collectively our offense was respectable during the HaRoman tenure. Could it have been better? Sure. But it also could've been a lot worse.

But what Boone is saying at the end is totally accurate. You can call the best game in the world, but ultimately it's up to the players to execute.

There's a difference between trying to be balanced and trying to do what you think will work even when there's evidence it won't
There were also plenty of times that we went away from what was clearly working in favor of doing something that doesn't. It's all about what's going on in the game. there were plenty of times where the run was killing the other team and he decided not to run. not because it wasn't working but because he didn't want to.

there were plenty of times where passing offense was in a rhythm and he decided it was time to switch it up.
all a coordinator has to do in the flow of a game is counter and stick with what's working if the other team has no way to stop it.

he couldn't do that consistently. even when a formula was shown to work he still decided he didn't want to do it for some strange reason.
execution is always a part of it but putting the team in a position to win is another.

Originally posted by 9er2k:
Roman had flaws but alot of people are simply forgetting Kapernick missing a lot of wide open receivers on passing plays.

Good point ... but part of it was Kap was getting sacked all year long after we decided to start passing the ball more. It got in his head and his game went down hill from there. Are O-line was built for running the ball, and it's middle of the road when it comes to pass blocking.

Originally posted by theduke85:
I think Roman was fine -- much better than most people give him credit for being. People act like he was the worse coordinator in the league, but he was far from it. Collectively our offense was respectable during the HaRoman tenure. Could it have been better? Sure. But it also could've been a lot worse.

I agree that Roman was a bit of a scapegoat, as are a lot of OC's. The only time the offense was respectable was in 2012 when Kaep too over and no one could stop him. Overall Roman's offenses were ranked:
2011 26'th
2012 11'th
2013 24'th
2014 20'th

That's basically bottom 1/3 of the league, aka Raiders territory.

Originally posted by thl408:
http://www.chatsports.com/san-francisco-49ers/a/Alex-Boone-called-in-to-radio-station-to-talk-about-Jim-Tomsula-hiring-2-11013426

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Topic: On if Greg Roman lost sight of the offense's strengths:

Alex Boone: No. I don't think so. I think G-Ro always had it in the back of his mind who we were. I think sometimes we didn't put ourselves in the best situations, so we kind of had to get ourselves out of situations. I would never talk bad about G-Ro. I have great respect for the guy. And I think he came under enormous pressure. I mean no question, people came down on him hard. At the same time, people forget how the game is played. You go down, you can't just keep running the ball, you have to spread it out. I think his thing was was, 'I'm trying to keep people away from loading the box.' We would talk all the time, and I'd say, 'G-Ro, we gotta run the ball.' And he'd be like, 'Dude, what are you going to do, run against nine guys in the box? You're going to run against that?' We gotta spread people out, we gotta make them fear our pass game. That's what he was always trying to do. I think sometimes we hurt ourselves doing it. You know, giving up sacks, throwing bad balls, not catching the ball. That was on us. For the most part, his heart was always in the right place. He always wanted to run the rock and give it to Frank.

Roman just sucked at making play calls. He was good at play concepts and designs but just flat out sucked at tricking the defense with his play calls. I don't recall many times where he would spread the defense out with 3 or 4 wide and still run the ball.. And rarely would you see him have a running formation (jumbo or big) and then pass out of it. He really never kept the defenses honest. I really hated when he would go empty backfield. No deception there and the oline was not good enough to hold the pass rush and since there was no RB, the blitzer would get through easily. It was like he would go to one extreme or the other. Full on pass or full on rush. Just my observations.

In my observation Roman simply stunk as a play-caller. No way to tell how good he was from Monday - Saturday in terms of designing game-plans and creating new plays. All I know is what I saw on Sundays and I saw no rhythm, no mismatch exploitation, no sight adjustments, barely any audibles and several of the exact same plays throughout the whole year. That's one thing that really boggled me this season was the amount of recycled calls Roman was using....even plays that didn't work the first time were getting called again the very next drive.

IIRC when the Harbaugh staff first arrived, Roman was bragging about the thickness and volume of their playbook and I swear he only used the table of contents...

Originally posted by jonesadrian:

Originally posted by 9er2k:
Roman had flaws but alot of people are simply forgetting Kapernick missing a lot of wide open receivers on passing plays.

or you're simply saying that just because you want to.
a lot of the plays both running and passing were doomed from the start.

It was a fair share of the whole offense... oline injuries, inconsistencies and/or flat out sucked... a lot of dropped balls. Also, when Kap did get good protection, he still made bad decisions, didn't run when he had plenty of chances for big gains and made quite a few bad throws.

Haroman's coloring/comic book wasn't a complete joke, but it wasn't a quality NFL playbook (IMO)

Originally posted by SaksV:
In my observation Roman simply stunk as a play-caller. No way to tell how good he was from Monday - Saturday in terms of designing game-plans and creating new plays. All I know is what I saw on Sundays and I saw no rhythm, no mismatch exploitation, no sight adjustments, barely any audibles and several of the exact same plays throughout the whole year. That's one thing that really boggled me this season was the amount of recycled calls Roman was using....even plays that didn't work the first time were getting called again the very next drive.

IIRC when the Harbaugh staff first arrived, Roman was bragging about the thickness and volume of their playbook and I swear he only used the table of contents...

look its not all on roman...........harbs was the hc he made the final call. lets not roast one guy

there's alot here

they both made the offense too complicated no doubt about it

but teams were also stacking up daring us to throw for the last 2yrs and we couldn't do anything so some (maybe a lot) of that falls on geep and kap