The only way this will work...

Originally posted by Dshearn:
My gut says this a doomed project.

JT seems like more of a college motivational CEO style coach.

Does anyone remember the last time a position coached jumped up to head coach with any level of success?

Technically Jim Harbaugh has NEVER been a coordinator at any level and jumped to head coach. Some could argue it didn't affect his X's and O's.

And Flyn, with all that 9 yrs of draft picks, # 6-9, plus # 38-41, we had one helluva lot of talent on this team, completely mismanaged by Erickson, noln, BM(big Mike), and sadly , lastly harbaw. All that talent, and we had 2 , maybe even 3 SBs with a real coach. Instead we got slight of hand, goofy pressers, and even goofier playcalls. I thot it was kap initially, but as time went on, it was obvious that in yrs 3 and then really in yr 4, our HC was like the emperor with no clothes....and nobody was making much of it. In fact, we had talent across the board, which a guy who technically never was a position coach jumped to HC..in the NFL no less. And , with no real D backing nor O backing of knowledge, he fell flat on his kisser. Unfortunately he took the 9ers and us with him. But that was yesterday. Today we have a spirited guy, who probably everyone saw, at some time or another , trying to rally the team on the bench after we had just made a huge mistake, given up a TD, missed on a TD, or something of that sort. Tomsula was the guy on the sidelines , trying to spur our guys on. Maybe it was that enthusiasm that got jed's and trent's attention, but that was or had to be only part of it.

There is no way on God's green earth that jed and Trent hired tomsula as HC because he could rally the troops . He had to have gone thru some kind of questioning re: his knowledge of O and of D and STs while he was at it. And my guess is, Tomsula stood out, even tho he was by definition, a DL coach. Yes, he did have overseas experience, but that is a tad different than here. So I think he must have put on one helluva show for jed and trent, and must have impressed both of them with his overall knowledge of football...and that includes OC and DC. Otherwise, I just cannot believe they would have hired him.

As to the conspiracy guys who say jed and trent just wanted a tool as HC, I say blulschidt.. With a billion dollar stadium and a billion dollar team, nobody in his right mind hires a tool to be his lackey so jed and trent can run the team. That just isn't in Jed's genetics. I think they both liked what they saw, and liked tomsula's vision for the team because everybody except a fool would ask that one. They must have really liked what he had to say and, hence, hired him. Needless to say, I was surprised, but I also liked the drafting of rashaun woods, the famous WR fisherman. So obviously my judgement re:the 9ers is flawed. But to say tomsula got hired to carry jeds and trent's water....no way and that is patently ridiculous.

In time, obviously we will see what jed and trent saw in tomsula...or not. I am betting on the former. Remember,there were a lot of skilled coaching guys at OC, DC, and HC out there looking for a job...and jed hired Tomsula. Obviously, many dissenters missed something, or jed just put $2Billion at risk...and I fail to believe that.

I think Tomsula's strength is motivating his players to play hard for him, and that in itself is a very good attribute for a HC already. He also probably has good knowledge of how to run a successful D. However, I'm not so sure about his ability to call a good game on O against top-tier NFL defenses. If the Niners wanted their HC to handle the offensive game-planning and play-calling, they would have gone with someone like Gase. In hiring Tomsula as their HC, I think that they are going for a coordinators-driven model for the team. That's why I think the hiring of a good OC will be the most critical hiring of this off-season.

Ace, no question Jed's biggest decision is going to be OC, with input from Tomsula. I am hoping as noted above that Tomsula can be a good OC but time will tell.
With all the talent around for HC, let's not forget our recent history, after Mooch.:

All these guys came from OUTSIDE the organization and all ended up being flops.

Erickson....Awful, trainwreck.

Noln...good DC, but absolutely incapable of being a HC. He stunk.

BM(big Mike)....colossal goof up, jed had no idea what the hell he was doing with this hire. It did, however, introduce him to the fact that crappy HCs, ruin your product, your investment, and your team.

Harbaw...great organizer for all the 9 yrs of hi draft picks we had , and he was able to organize them, and get them to perform. What he couldn't do, however, was produce any kind of meaningful O and his playcalling and game planning were abysmal. Also as a QB whisperer, we got cheated, and so did Kap. He was done two yrs ago, but it took that long to get rid of him, once jed and trent realized he was NOT the one.

So much for getting HCs outside the organization. I believe jed and trent learned their lessons about bringing in guys from the outside....it virtually screwed us and the team. Harbaw was close, but there was something goofy about him upstairs...not sure what it was, but he was a dim bulb compared to his brother, John. So,
Jed promoted from within, and I cannot believe Tomsula cannot be good at OCing and DCing. Also, he obviously has a vision for the 9ers that jed liked, and he must know guys he coached with that can come in here and help him out. Bellichek sure started off poorly and ended up doing well. No reason our guy tomsula can't either. Sure, jed could have hired Fangio, a great DC. But maybe he was too weak at OCing to suit trent or jed. With tomsula we will know shortly.

Mike Singletary came from inside our organization just FYI. But i disagree that anytime soon Tomsula will be doing anything remotely close to calling Offenses on game day, or having much more than philosophical input on the weeks Offensive game plan.

We are up against Carroll, McCarthy, Arians, Garrett, Kelly, Rivera and Payton

We have Tomsula

Who out coaches who when it matters most?

everyone's a genius when they win..

Garrett is a masterful coach. now. last 3 years was a clown.

the dude is nothing special.

The only way this will work is if 31 teams are banned from the NFL for the 2015 season....

Divine Intervention

Originally posted by TheRambler:
Absolutely no proof of any of this. The reason the respected posters on this board who understand football and Tomsula's track record are getting so irritated is because false nonsense like this is being posted constantly. If you are one of those "Tomsula is just like Singletary" guys, you obviously don't know dick about the guy.

More telling is that none of his bosses (Nolan, Singletary, Harbaugh) or even the GM when they fired Nolan or Singletary, saw fit in promoting him to anything but a position coach. That's the measure of the man as a coach. The "respected posters on this board" that Rambler is talking about don't know dick if they think any different.

Putting the situation in simple terms Jim Tomsula is a long shot and it won't take long for the fan base to love him or shout for the YORKS collective heads.

Originally posted by REB4:

Originally posted by TheRambler:

Absolutely no proof of any of this. The reason the respected posters on this board who understand football and Tomsula's track record are getting so irritated is because false nonsense like this is being posted constantly. If you are one of those "Tomsula is just like Singletary" guys, you obviously don't know dick about the guy.

More telling is that none of his bosses (Nolan, Singletary, Harbaugh) or even the GM when they fired Nolan or Singletary, saw fit in promoting him to anything but a position coach. That's the measure of the man as a coach. The "respected posters on this board" that Rambler is talking about don't know dick if they think any different.

Next time either of you make a sweeping statement about how those of your fellow posters who disagree with you don't know dick it will be the last time you post in NinerTalk for some time.

Originally posted by CardinalGold:

Originally posted by xcfan:
i had to laugh. tomsula is fred flintstone. he fires guy up to go crack heads. there's no way he's a game-day sage. he will not be the master out there; the coordinators will be calling just about everything. he's a loveable meathead. not an optimal head coach. he's there because of baalke's power play. our only hope is to have sharp coordinators who can perform some wizardry on the sidelines and game planning.
tomsula's not a fine detail, big picture guy. we're going to fumble through 2 or 3 years of baalke's mediocre ideas, then jed will fire all and hopefully gain a little wisdom.

Nailed it.

Jed wanted Tomsula for a long time, ever since Harbaugh started pissing him off. Baalke is a draft guru but also Jed's yes man. Don't get it twisted kids.

Simple tell if Tomsula is > Harbaugh?

Defeat Baltimore Ravens this season.

That will be the proof.

I disagree...Tomsula doesn't have to be a top-notch play-caller. He has to hire an OC who is. Plenty of defensive-oriented HC's in the NFL rely on their OC's to do that job. Sometimes HC's will call a certain play or override their OC, but the lion's share of play-calling's done by the team's OC. Beyond that, all of us have exactly one game of Tomsula as HC in the NFL. Nobody...exactly nobody knows what skills he has because for 99.9% of the time he was the DL coach. He did, however, function as a DC and HC in NFL-E. How 'bout this...we actually see what kind of coach he is, who he hires as his OC and look at actual results on the field before we presume we know what he will or won't do. Sounds fair to me...how 'bout the rest of you?