The only way this will work...

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Is for Tomsula to become a top notch play caller and also a game planner extraordinaire. Not many DC guys have pulled this off, but bellichek sure did and has done a bang up job(with an all pro Qb.). And he started as a defensive coach. Also I noted in another thread that Whisenhunt had been in the trenches as an OL coach, before he was elevated to HC in AZ. And he was a good OC and playcaller. So it can be done.

The problem of needing a HC to get an OC is the problem in a nutshell. IF you are lucky to get a good one they are gone as HC next yr. If you get a crappy one like , oh, well , say roman, they seem to stick around like stinking garbage...you can't get rid of them, no matter how bad they are. That is why, I have posted multiple times the necessity of the HC being an OC. Well Tomsula isn't, but if jed really wants to keep him and is serious about it, then tomsula is going to have to learn how to game plan, as well as call plays. Counting on an OC brot in from elsewhere is a short term proposition. So I have to assume that jed and baalke think that tomsula can call a decent to good game and that he can game plan for the next opponent. Also I assume he will be able to make changes at half time. All that would be extremely refreshing , seeing as how harbaw could do none of the above. My guess is Andrew Luck made jim harbaw, not the other way around.

So, if the above is true, then we need to look forward to tomsula becoming a great playcaller and a great game planner. He doesn't have to do much to be better than JH or HaRo. Also, if Tomsula cannot learn to be an OC, his tenure here will be only temporary, until a great OC comes available who would then become HC.
I am open minded about this but if jed is thinking of having tomsula with an OC calling plays, it will be on a yearly basis only, and will not be long term. Frankly I am hoping tomsula becomes a kick azz OC and game planner, which we have had neither of for 4 yrs. ...unh,,,make that 13 yrs.

LOL the ONLY way this works is if Tomsula becomes a top notch play caller??? Wtf?

How about he hires a great OC to be the top notch play caller, and he can focus on being the Head Coach.

My gut says this a doomed project.

JT seems like more of a college motivational CEO style coach.

Does anyone remember the last time a position coached jumped up to head coach with any level of success?

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:


So, if the above is true, then we need to look forward to tomsula becoming a great playcaller and a great game planner. He doesn't have to do much to be better than JH or HaRo. Also, if Tomsula cannot learn to be an OC

Why on earth would you think that a DL coach who's never before called a defense, would be capable of calling an offense? This is the most ridiculous thread I've seen yet.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
My gut says this a doomed project.

JT seems like more of a college motivational CEO style coach.

Does anyone remember the last time a position coached jumped up to head coach with any level of success?

John Harbaugh

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Dshearn:
My gut says this a doomed project.

JT seems like more of a college motivational CEO style coach.

Does anyone remember the last time a position coached jumped up to head coach with any level of success?

John Harbaugh

Andy Reid

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
A team is not run by independent coaches. Tomsula better be the guy who ends up calling the plays and doing the game planning or next yr at this time, if not sooner, or Jed is going to be looking for another HC. If Tomsula was NOT hired to be OC and game planner, then this dog won't hunt. Or to put it another way, this be fukced...and that be us. I just can't believe jed would hire a nobody as HC . It ONLY works if the HC calls the plays, sets the Ds, and plans the game plan. If that isn't what jed hired him to do, well, then, we are no better off and mayber worse than when we had harbaw. Somehow, there just seems to be something missing here which I am not seeing or this was just a total and complete fuster cluck. There has to be more there, there. If not, why the hell did they fire a guy completely capable of screwing up a perfectly good team...instead of getting another one to do the same..

What in the hell am I missing? Or is it really as bad as it looks?

since when do the head coaches call all the plays on offense or defense

Originally posted by pickle:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
A team is not run by independent coaches. Tomsula better be the guy who ends up calling the plays and doing the game planning or next yr at this time, if not sooner, or Jed is going to be looking for another HC. If Tomsula was NOT hired to be OC and game planner, then this dog won't hunt. Or to put it another way, this be fukced...and that be us. I just can't believe jed would hire a nobody as HC . It ONLY works if the HC calls the plays, sets the Ds, and plans the game plan. If that isn't what jed hired him to do, well, then, we are no better off and mayber worse than when we had harbaw. Somehow, there just seems to be something missing here which I am not seeing or this was just a total and complete fuster cluck. There has to be more there, there. If not, why the hell did they fire a guy completely capable of screwing up a perfectly good team...instead of getting another one to do the same..

What in the hell am I missing? Or is it really as bad as it looks?

since when do the head coaches call all the plays on offense or defense

Jim Harbaugh - required 50 plays to be selected, ranked, and commented before he would select the 10 they would send in... after a 20 second conference!!!

I predict his weekly game plan will consist of 3 things.

1. Smash them in the mouth
2.Run the ball
3.Score more points

And I'm ok with this

Originally posted by TheRambler:
Absolutely no proof of any of this. The reason the respected posters on this board who understand football and Tomsula's track record are getting so irritated is because false nonsense like this is being posted constantly. If you are one of those "Tomsula is just like Singletary" guys, you obviously don't know dick about the guy.

Problem is, even if Tomsula is a good coach he has no chance to show it. Get real, he is worse off than Singletary. The front office made sure of it. They hired JT and gave him the least amount of power of any head coach in the NFL. So even if he is a good coach no one will know. ITs not his team, its not his offense, its not his defense, its not his coaches, he has no power on the roster, so its not his players. The front office is hiring everyone around him and saying these are your co workers, deal with it. Tomsula looks like a lost toddler at the county fair. He is a great d line coach, but we havent seen a worst start to a coaching career in a while.

Firstly , the 2 bafoons having to hold his hand at the press conference, a coach who cannot stand on his own gets no respect. Yea hes not a great public speaker, many people arent, but you know what, we have 21 year old players who have to stand in front of the media every week. Guys who never graduated college and barely made it out of highschool. They go and do it. Our own head coach needed 2 guys to sit side by side. How can you follow this guy when you know he was placed there so that the front office could run the team how they want. Tomsula is just there to roam the side lines, I said it before. My best guess is "the Greatful Dead" thats what will be playing on a loop under those BOSE headphones while JT walks up and down without a clue as to what is going on. Baalke and Jed have made a mockery of this once proud franchise.

DEFENSE still wins championships and I hate to say it but that will probably be the case this year unfortunately. If we can improve our defense from what it was last year either by being more aggressive or by getting our studs back and healthy plus go back to our bread and butter of pounding the ball with Gore, Hyde, Kap, Hunter, Millard, Miller, etc we might just be alright. This is what the Seahawks did last year and this year and it is proven to be successful.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Is for Tomsula to become a top notch play caller and also a game planner extraordinaire. Not many DC guys have pulled this off, but bellichek sure did and has done a bang up job(with an all pro Qb.). And he started as a defensive coach. Also I noted in another thread that Whisenhunt had been in the trenches as an OL coach, before he was elevated to HC in AZ. And he was a good OC and playcaller. So it can be done.

The problem of needing a HC to get an OC is the problem in a nutshell. IF you are lucky to get a good one they are gone as HC next yr. If you get a crappy one like , oh, well , say roman, they seem to stick around like stinking garbage...you can't get rid of them, no matter how bad they are. That is why, I have posted multiple times the necessity of the HC being an OC. Well Tomsula isn't, but if jed really wants to keep him and is serious about it, then tomsula is going to have to learn how to game plan, as well as call plays. Counting on an OC brot in from elsewhere is a short term proposition. So I have to assume that jed and baalke think that tomsula can call a decent to good game and that he can game plan for the next opponent. Also I assume he will be able to make changes at half time. All that would be extremely refreshing , seeing as how harbaw could do none of the above. My guess is Andrew Luck made jim harbaw, not the other way around.

So, if the above is true, then we need to look forward to tomsula becoming a great playcaller and a great game planner. He doesn't have to do much to be better than JH or HaRo. Also, if Tomsula cannot learn to be an OC, his tenure here will be only temporary, until a great OC comes available who would then become HC.
I am open minded about this but if jed is thinking of having tomsula with an OC calling plays, it will be on a yearly basis only, and will not be long term. Frankly I am hoping tomsula becomes a kick azz OC and game planner, which we have had neither of for 4 yrs. ...unh,,,make that 13 yrs.

LOL the ONLY way this works is if Tomsula becomes a top notch play caller??? Wtf?

How about he hires a great OC to be the top notch play caller, and he can focus on being the Head Coach.

Gotta put down the NFL Blitz. You think bill walsh called the defense?

Belicheck doesn't call ANYTHING. McPsycho calls the offense and patricia calla the D.

John Harbaugh calls nothing.
Tomlin calls nothing.
Carroll calls nothing

But Norv Turner always called his own offense...

Originally posted by ayleswbj11:

Originally posted by TheRambler:
Absolutely no proof of any of this. The reason the respected posters on this board who understand football and Tomsula's track record are getting so irritated is because false nonsense like this is being posted constantly. If you are one of those "Tomsula is just like Singletary" guys, you obviously don't know dick about the guy.

Problem is, even if Tomsula is a good coach he has no chance to show it. Get real, he is worse off than Singletary. The front office made sure of it. They hired JT and gave him the least amount of power of any head coach in the NFL. So even if he is a good coach no one will know. ITs not his team, its not his offense, its not his defense, its not his coaches, he has no power on the roster, so its not his players. The front office is hiring everyone around him and saying these are your co workers, deal with it. Tomsula looks like a lost toddler at the county fair. He is a great d line coach, but we havent seen a worst start to a coaching career in a while.

Firstly , the 2 bafoons having to hold his hand at the press conference, a coach who cannot stand on his own gets no respect. Yea hes not a great public speaker, many people arent, but you know what, we have 21 year old players who have to stand in front of the media every week. Guys who never graduated college and barely made it out of highschool. They go and do it. Our own head coach needed 2 guys to sit side by side. How can you follow this guy when you know he was placed there so that the front office could run the team how they want. Tomsula is just there to roam the side lines, I said it before. My best guess is "the Greatful Dead" thats what will be playing on a loop under those BOSE headphones while JT walks up and down without a clue as to what is going on. Baalke and Jed have made a mockery of this once proud franchise.

Exactly. This is the problem.

Originally posted by xcfan:
i had to laugh. tomsula is fred flintstone. he fires guy up to go crack heads. there's no way he's a game-day sage. he will not be the master out there; the coordinators will be calling just about everything. he's a loveable meathead. not an optimal head coach. he's there because of baalke's power play. our only hope is to have sharp coordinators who can perform some wizardry on the sidelines and game planning.
tomsula's not a fine detail, big picture guy. we're going to fumble through 2 or 3 years of baalke's mediocre ideas, then jed will fire all and hopefully gain a little wisdom.

AMEN! Summary - - This will NOT work. Baalke's got his wish. Sometimes... you really do have to reconsider what you wish for. I also heard politics played a role in this termination. WHO knows? This is evidence of EPIC stupidity. No lucid organization fires the coach who kept them winning. The past season was crap because Harbaugh could see the writing on the wall and his heart wasn't in it - and Baalke made certain to leak a news story weekly.. Can't blame coach for a lack of enthusiasm under those conditions.

STOP attending games. The absent profits will get attention.

Mordant laughter at the way so many Niner fans around here are just flat-out certain that this isn't going to work at a time when we don't even know the offensive or defensive schemes. Just a couple of things to keep in mind:

- Jim Tomsula is not Mike Singletary. I don't even know where people even get that idea. Hey, if I see Tomsula telling the rest of the NFL exactly what the Niners are going to do on offense and daring them to stop it, I might change my mind, but at this point, really nothing about Tomsula reminds me of Singletary.

- The offense WILL get better (partly because it can't get much worse). Kaepernick is doing exactly what he needs to do to progress in the NFL. My guess is that the new offensive scheme will take more advantage of his legs while still working on the pocket.

- The defense SHOULD get better with all these returning pro-bowlers coming back from injury. They also have a decent chance of getting Justin Smith for another year because he really likes Tomsula.

So, actually this all could work. The Niners could be back in the playoffs next year. They barely missed this year with horrible offense and almost half their starting defense out.

What I don't understand is the sentiment of a few that Tomsula was hired to do Jed's and trent's bidding. I think that is blatantly false. I think they hired him because they think he can take the talent we have and make it better, mold it into a team. And I don't think Tomsula is doomed to fail. As I noted before, it will require that tomsula becomes a great playcaller and a better game planner. Also he must learn to make changes at halftime...something harbaw never did. Halftime for him was to have a Pepsi. Also , I hope that Tomsula takes an entirely different direction on O than harbaw did, and by that, I mean the Helferrich tactic of going for it on 4th and one from the one. JH ended up so conservative that it was hard to believe. I hope tomsula doesn't start out that way and give away a game like Mike McCarthy did yesterday to SEA. Had he been aggressive, the Pack would have won going away. That is what I hope tomsula does. Be aggressive when the chance come around. But also, he is going to need to become a great OC playcaller whether he calls plays all the time or not. Because the moment we get a hotshot OC here, he will be gone at season's end as a HC elsewhere. That 's for you, 99

Like others, I believe the one best bet for us right now is to sign Shanny, who is an excellent playcaller, but a lousy HC. .

Also, like Crake above Kap needs help and is getting some as we write here. What he really needs is a guy exactly like alex, who could read D's with a single glance, and kap has said exactly that. Now alex is not available at present, but I bet there are some guys out there, former QBs who could help kap out with D reads. I know there are. And that is what kap needs from his QB coach.