The only way this will work...

Is for Tomsula to become a top notch play caller and also a game planner extraordinaire. Not many DC guys have pulled this off, but bellichek sure did and has done a bang up job(with an all pro Qb.). And he started as a defensive coach. Also I noted in another thread that Whisenhunt had been in the trenches as an OL coach, before he was elevated to HC in AZ. And he was a good OC and playcaller. So it can be done.

The problem of needing a HC to get an OC is the problem in a nutshell. IF you are lucky to get a good one they are gone as HC next yr. If you get a crappy one like , oh, well , say roman, they seem to stick around like stinking garbage...you can't get rid of them, no matter how bad they are. That is why, I have posted multiple times the necessity of the HC being an OC. Well Tomsula isn't, but if jed really wants to keep him and is serious about it, then tomsula is going to have to learn how to game plan, as well as call plays. Counting on an OC brot in from elsewhere is a short term proposition. So I have to assume that jed and baalke think that tomsula can call a decent to good game and that he can game plan for the next opponent. Also I assume he will be able to make changes at half time. All that would be extremely refreshing , seeing as how harbaw could do none of the above. My guess is Andrew Luck made jim harbaw, not the other way around.

So, if the above is true, then we need to look forward to tomsula becoming a great playcaller and a great game planner. He doesn't have to do much to be better than JH or HaRo. Also, if Tomsula cannot learn to be an OC, his tenure here will be only temporary, until a great OC comes available who would then become HC.
I am open minded about this but if jed is thinking of having tomsula with an OC calling plays, it will be on a yearly basis only, and will not be long term. Frankly I am hoping tomsula becomes a kick azz OC and game planner, which we have had neither of for 4 yrs. ...unh,,,make that 13 yrs.

i had to laugh. tomsula is fred flintstone. he fires guy up to go crack heads. there's no way he's a game-day sage. he will not be the master out there; the coordinators will be calling just about everything. he's a loveable meathead. not an optimal head coach. he's there because of baalke's power play. our only hope is to have sharp coordinators who can perform some wizardry on the sidelines and game planning.
tomsula's not a fine detail, big picture guy. we're going to fumble through 2 or 3 years of baalke's mediocre ideas, then jed will fire all and hopefully gain a little wisdom.

A team is not run by independent coaches. Tomsula better be the guy who ends up calling the plays and doing the game planning or next yr at this time, if not sooner, or Jed is going to be looking for another HC. If Tomsula was NOT hired to be OC and game planner, then this dog won't hunt. Or to put it another way, this be fukced...and that be us. I just can't believe jed would hire a nobody as HC . It ONLY works if the HC calls the plays, sets the Ds, and plans the game plan. If that isn't what jed hired him to do, well, then, we are no better off and mayber worse than when we had harbaw. Somehow, there just seems to be something missing here which I am not seeing or this was just a total and complete fuster cluck. There has to be more there, there. If not, why the hell did they fire a guy completely capable of screwing up a perfectly good team...instead of getting another one to do the same..

What in the hell am I missing? Or is it really as bad as it looks?

Originally posted by xcfan:
i had to laugh. tomsula is fred flintstone. he fires guy up to go crack heads. there's no way he's a game-day sage. he will not be the master out there; the coordinators will be calling just about everything. he's a loveable meathead. not an optimal head coach. he's there because of baalke's power play. our only hope is to have sharp coordinators who can perform some wizardry on the sidelines and game planning.
tomsula's not a fine detail, big picture guy. we're going to fumble through 2 or 3 years of baalke's mediocre ideas, then jed will fire all and hopefully gain a little wisdom.

Nailed it.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Is for Tomsula to become a top notch play caller and also a game planner extraordinaire. Not many DC guys have pulled this off, but bellichek sure did and has done a bang up job(with an all pro Qb.). And he started as a defensive coach. Also I noted in another thread that Whisenhunt had been in the trenches as an OL coach, before he was elevated to HC in AZ. And he was a good OC and playcaller. So it can be done.

The problem of needing a HC to get an OC is the problem in a nutshell. IF you are lucky to get a good one they are gone as HC next yr. If you get a crappy one like , oh, well , say roman, they seem to stick around like stinking garbage...you can't get rid of them, no matter how bad they are. That is why, I have posted multiple times the necessity of the HC being an OC. Well Tomsula isn't, but if jed really wants to keep him and is serious about it, then tomsula is going to have to learn how to game plan, as well as call plays. Counting on an OC brot in from elsewhere is a short term proposition. So I have to assume that jed and baalke think that tomsula can call a decent to good game and that he can game plan for the next opponent. Also I assume he will be able to make changes at half time. All that would be extremely refreshing , seeing as how harbaw could do none of the above. My guess is Andrew Luck made jim harbaw, not the other way around.

So, if the above is true, then we need to look forward to tomsula becoming a great playcaller and a great game planner. He doesn't have to do much to be better than JH or HaRo. Also, if Tomsula cannot learn to be an OC, his tenure here will be only temporary, until a great OC comes available who would then become HC.
I am open minded about this but if jed is thinking of having tomsula with an OC calling plays, it will be on a yearly basis only, and will not be long term. Frankly I am hoping tomsula becomes a kick azz OC and game planner, which we have had neither of for 4 yrs. ...unh,,,make that 13 yrs.

Carrol - not an OC
John Harbaugh-not an OC
Coughlin-not an OC
Tomlin -not an OC
Belichick-not an OC
Dungy -not an OC

There seem to be a bunch of coaches that won recently without being an OC.

There's no way they Jed and Trent actually believe that Tomsula can become a more successful NFL OC than well, ...an established OC.

we need a new thread like this because ???????

Originally posted by xcfan:
i had to laugh. tomsula is fred flintstone. he fires guy up to go crack heads. there's no way he's a game-day sage. he will not be the master out there; the coordinators will be calling just about everything. he's a loveable meathead. not an optimal head coach. he's there because of baalke's power play. our only hope is to have sharp coordinators who can perform some wizardry on the sidelines and game planning.
tomsula's not a fine detail, big picture guy. we're going to fumble through 2 or 3 years of baalke's mediocre ideas, then jed will fire all and hopefully gain a little wisdom.

How the f**k would you know? You know nothing of JT's tendencies or skills. You don't think it's possible that the way the DL has played over the last 6-7 years has anything to do with JT's planning?

f**king arm chair GM's.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Is for Tomsula to become a top notch play caller and also a game planner extraordinaire. Not many DC guys have pulled this off, but bellichek sure did and has done a bang up job(with an all pro Qb.). And he started as a defensive coach. Also I noted in another thread that Whisenhunt had been in the trenches as an OL coach, before he was elevated to HC in AZ. And he was a good OC and playcaller. So it can be done.

The problem of needing a HC to get an OC is the problem in a nutshell. IF you are lucky to get a good one they are gone as HC next yr. If you get a crappy one like , oh, well , say roman, they seem to stick around like stinking garbage...you can't get rid of them, no matter how bad they are. That is why, I have posted multiple times the necessity of the HC being an OC. Well Tomsula isn't, but if jed really wants to keep him and is serious about it, then tomsula is going to have to learn how to game plan, as well as call plays. Counting on an OC brot in from elsewhere is a short term proposition. So I have to assume that jed and baalke think that tomsula can call a decent to good game and that he can game plan for the next opponent. Also I assume he will be able to make changes at half time. All that would be extremely refreshing , seeing as how harbaw could do none of the above. My guess is Andrew Luck made jim harbaw, not the other way around.

So, if the above is true, then we need to look forward to tomsula becoming a great playcaller and a great game planner. He doesn't have to do much to be better than JH or HaRo. Also, if Tomsula cannot learn to be an OC, his tenure here will be only temporary, until a great OC comes available who would then become HC.
I am open minded about this but if jed is thinking of having tomsula with an OC calling plays, it will be on a yearly basis only, and will not be long term. Frankly I am hoping tomsula becomes a kick azz OC and game planner, which we have had neither of for 4 yrs. ...unh,,,make that 13 yrs.

Carrol - not an OC
John Harbaugh-not an OC
Coughlin-not an OC
Tomlin -not an OC
Belichick-not an OC
Dungy -not an OC

There seem to be a bunch of coaches that won recently without being an OC.

Lets look at the hires just this year....

Bears took John Fox - not an OC
Bills took Rex - not an OC
Jets took Bowles - not an OC
Raiders took Del Rio - not an OC
Falcon will end up with Dan Quinn - not an OC

The only ones that did were the Broncos so Elway & Kubiak can suck each other off.

Not saying they'll all be successful but clearly the offensive guys weren't going to cut it this year.

"Also I noted in another thread that Whisenhunt had been in the trenches as an OL coach, before he was elevated to HC in AZ."

I think you have Whisenhunt and Mike Munchak confused. Whisenhunt was a TE coach before becoming an offense coordinator. Munchack was a HOF offensive lineman and then a Offensive Line Coach with the Titans before being elevated to head coach. He failed though with a 22-26 record in three seasons and got fired because he wouldn't replace "at least six assistant coaches."

Saying someone is going to fail before they actually do anything is f**king stupid so let's just calm down

people assume tomsula isnt a smart man because he's too excited when he talks to get a clear point across in a media interview but the guy is a motivator and a great coach who can get every ounce of talent out of people. hes turned so many people into stars that were nothing before and then when they leave for greener pastures they disappear. soap, franklin, jean francois, etc all were studs for us, but where are they now? next man up on our D-line has been just as good as the guy he comes in for while Tomsula has been with us and thats pretty damn incredible and a credit to the mans ability as a coach. from the looks of who were being linked with as OC I think hes on the right track as well. were not scraping the barrel for OCs that are dumber than him like singletary did.

Originally posted by xcfan:

i had to laugh. tomsula is fred flintstone. he fires guy up to go crack heads. there's no way he's a game-day sage. he will not be the master out there; the coordinators will be calling just about everything. he's a loveable meathead. not an optimal head coach. he's there because of baalke's power play. our only hope is to have sharp coordinators who can perform some wizardry on the sidelines and game planning.
tomsula's not a fine detail, big picture guy. we're going to fumble through 2 or 3 years of baalke's mediocre ideas, then jed will fire all and hopefully gain a little wisdom.

Absolutely no proof of any of this. The reason the respected posters on this board who understand football and Tomsula's track record are getting so irritated is because false nonsense like this is being posted constantly. If you are one of those "Tomsula is just like Singletary" guys, you obviously don't know dick about the guy.

@ this thread

RJF is starting for the Colts and has played pretty well for them. Pretty similar to how he performed for us. Maybe not quite as explosive given the snap count but a good player.

Franklin went on to play a few years after he left us. He played decent before he came to us and decent after he left. I'd say he probably had his best years with us but that's something that could have happened anywhere IMO.

Soap had another productive year with the Eagles but he was getting older and slowing down even when he was with us.

More telling IMO, is his ability to get almost all the young guys he works with to show improvement in their game.

I don't think the guy is a write off as a head coach, but he is definitely going to need a quality OC. My hope is Shanahan is the guy. It's a perfect fit as he would likely take the credit for the offense and maybe get that last shot at a HC gig elsewhere if he performs and doesn't stir up s**t. He'd also probably bring at least one or two interesting potential replacements for him down the road.