Jim Tomsula FIRED thread

Figure it was a good time to post this again:

Hiring position coaches almost never works out. Of the possible jobs a coach can have prior to making the leap to head coach — head coach with another team, coordinator, position coach, or college — position coaches fare the worst by a significant margin. There have been just 14 position coaches to make the jump to head coach in the salary cap era. On average they have produced a Pythagorean win percentage of .451, well below coordinators (.492), head coaches (.509), or college hires (.516).

There have been just two coaches who have made a successful transition from position coach to head coach in one season: Jim Caldwell with the Colts and Jeff Fisher with the Oilers.

Caldwell's success can be explained with two words: Peyton Manning.

You could make an argument that Fisher doesn't qualify at all. After spending time as the defensive coordinator for the Eagles and Rams between 1988 and 1991, Fisher took a step back to become the defensive backs coach in San Francisco under George Seifert in 1992, where he remained for two seasons. In 1994, Fisher took another coordinator position, this time in Houston under Jack Pardee. Pardee was fired after 10 games, and Fisher began his 17-year run as the franchise's head coach.

Outside of those two, it's a pretty terrible lot that includes the likes of Mike Singletary, Jim Zorn, and Rod Marinelli.

The other move that seems to generally be a bad idea are internal hires. Twenty-one of the coaches in our sample were internal hires and their .421 Pythagorean win percentage was the worst split I looked at by a wide margin. Sorry, Jim Tomsula. Being a head coach just might not be your thing.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/1/9/7519139/searching-for-the-profile-of-a-successful-nfl-head-coach

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Rocket4989:
Then why did Justin smith waited to see who was the head coach going to be before he retired?

He waited to see if he had the desire and physical recovery for another season.

People are honestly suggesting that Justin Smith is so petty, so weak minded, so despicable a liar as to publicly say he loves Jim Tomsula - a coach he played for as his position coach for multiple years - only to think "LOL I hate him and will retire rather than play for Tomsula that f**king a*****e LOL". Really? REALLY?!

Seriously? Get the f**k out of here with that b******t garbage.

Niner fans are some ridiculous tools.

Relax.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Rocket4989:
Then why did Justin smith waited to see who was the head coach going to be before he retired?

He waited to see if he had the desire and physical recovery for another season.

People are honestly suggesting that Justin Smith is so petty, so weak minded, so despicable a liar as to publicly say he loves Jim Tomsula - a coach he played for as his position coach for multiple years - only to think "LOL I hate him and will retire rather than play for Tomsula that f**king a*****e LOL". Really? REALLY?!

Seriously? Get the f**k out of here with that b******t garbage.

Niner fans are some ridiculous tools.

Who said he was weak minded? Let face the fact, would u push your body to play one more year with a good coach and hope to make the playoff or would you join a rebuilding team that could possibly be the worst team in the nfl? He made have love JT but at his age he needed to make the right decision. retiring after they brought in JT was the smartest decision for him because he isn't gonna waste any time losing and he got to walk out when the team was on their prime.


So please regulate ur self before u call any other fan a tool

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by monsterzero789:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by Rocket4989:

Did Patrick and Justin smith quit because Jim harbaugh left?

Dont forget Davis and Borland

Crabtree said he signed for less than what the niners offered him

Again: Borland is now anti-NFL. JH wasn't keeping him around.

Smith was retiring either way. And he loves Tomsula.

Willis was returning no matter what, and was hardly JH's biggest fan.

Davis has said he wants to come back next year. If it was about JH he wouldn't float that idea at all.

So, spin and speculate all you want. Doesn't make that speculation anything other than BS.

Lol you are the one who is speculating, you still haven't provided a link about Willis being anti JH

I said he was hardly his biggest fan. I never said he was "anti-Harbaugh". But nice try to put words in my mouth.

I don't think a player of Willis' caliber retires based on the HC. He plays on his own terms no matter who the coach is. I think he respected Harbaugh as a coach - why wouldn't he? - but his drive came from himself, and if he wanted to play through his health issues he still would be playing. JH had nothing to do with his decision.

Again, link?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Relax.

Yeah, I'M the irrational one today.

Originally posted by Rocket4989:

Who said he was weak minded? Let face the fact, would u push your body to play one more year with a good coach and hope to make the playoff or would you join a rebuilding team that could possibly be the worst team in the nfl? He made have love JT but at his age he needed to make the right decision. retiring after they brought in JT was the smartest decision for him because he isn't gonna waste any time losing and he got to walk out when the team was on their prime.


So please regulate ur self before u call any other fan a tool

More b******t fan hater defeatest narratives that Smith never said or even alluded to. But yeah, you can read his mind and assume this, lol.

Originally posted by Chief:

I like Jim Tomsula, but what exactly is he doing on the sideline? I honestly only ever see him making faces.

I notice that almost every time they cut to the opposing HC, he'll have a playcard in his hand, studying it with furrowed brow and speaking into the headset or to some bloke next to him but any time they cut to Tomsula he has his arms folded with mouth agape or as you say, making some other facial expression. I have to wonder, is this a realistic portrayal or are they picking their moments to make the guy look less than capable?

Smith knew before last season ended that it was his last.

Originally posted by monsterzero789:

Again, link?

Where's your link that says Willis retired because JH was gone?

I can play that game, too. All I am saying is that there's nothing to suggest Willis' world was based in Harbaugh being his coach.

I mean, you guys can believe whatever crap false narratives you wanna believe. Doesn't make it any more true. But go ahead and do so if it makes you feel smart or something.

I mean, wink wink, nudge nudge, Jim Tomsula raped kids and small dogs. I know it's true because I can read between the lines. I mean, no one has SAID he's done that stuff, but I know it, you know it, it's just obviously true.

Right?

Originally posted by Zealot:

Originally posted by Chief:

I like Jim Tomsula, but what exactly is he doing on the sideline? I honestly only ever see him making faces.

I notice that almost every time they cut to the opposing HC, he'll have a playcard in his hand, studying it with furrowed brow and speaking into the headset or to some bloke next to him but any time they cut to Tomsula he has his arms folded with mouth agape or as you say, making some other facial expression. I have to wonder, is this a realistic portrayal or are they picking their moments to make the guy look less than capable?

Coaches that call the offense have the cards. Tomsula is relying on his coordinators. There's no right or wrong way to do that - both have worked, both have failed.

The coach with the highest winning % in SF history didn't have a card and spent most the game staring (Siefert).

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Rocket4989:
Who said he was weak minded? Let face the fact, would u push your body to play one more year with a good coach and hope to make the playoff or would you join a rebuilding team that could possibly be the worst team in the nfl? He made have love JT but at his age he needed to make the right decision. retiring after they brought in JT was the smartest decision for him because he isn't gonna waste any time losing and he got to walk out when the team was on their prime.


So please regulate ur self before u call any other fan a tool

More b******t fan hater defeatest narratives that Smith never said or even alluded to. But yeah, you can read his mind and assume this, lol.

Lol Like 49ersfaithful6 said, relax

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by monsterzero789:
Again, link?

Where's your link that says Willis retired because JH was gone?

I can play that game, too. All I am saying is that there's nothing to suggest Willis' world was based in Harbaugh being his coach.

I mean, you guys can believe whatever crap false narratives you wanna believe. Doesn't make it any more true. But go ahead and do so if it makes you feel smart or something.

I mean, wink wink, nudge nudge, Jim Tomsula raped kids and small dogs. I know it's true because I can read between the lines. I mean, no one has SAID he's done that stuff, but I know it, you know it, it's just obviously true.

Right?

A difficult time for 49ers fans. I don't think there is anyone in the org currently who seems like a sensible leader, so this will continue to be chaos for the near future.
The only person who can, to an extent, guide Jed is Eddie. Does he have the time, and will Jed listen.
Meanwhile, looking forward to more enjoyable games across the NFL.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by Zealot:

Originally posted by Chief:

I like Jim Tomsula, but what exactly is he doing on the sideline? I honestly only ever see him making faces.

I notice that almost every time they cut to the opposing HC, he'll have a playcard in his hand, studying it with furrowed brow and speaking into the headset or to some bloke next to him but any time they cut to Tomsula he has his arms folded with mouth agape or as you say, making some other facial expression. I have to wonder, is this a realistic portrayal or are they picking their moments to make the guy look less than capable?

Coaches that call the offense have the cards. Tomsula is relying on his coordinators. There's no right or wrong way to do that - both have worked, both have failed.

The coach with the highest winning % in SF history didn't have a card and spent most the game staring (Siefert).

Yeah, point taken, it's probably not even the HC on screen is it? But still, it just seems to be that way from my observations though, the situation I mentioned. But don't get me wrong, it wasn't a shot at Tomsula, just an observation that led to the question. I like Jimmy T. I hope he can get things figured out and we can win some games.

Originally posted by Rocket4989:

Lol Like 49ersfaithful6 said, relax

I'm far calmer than most fans on this forum today, LOL. But keep recommending relaxation of ya want I guess.