The 49ers 2015 Coaching Search Thread(All Rumors and News Here)

Originally posted by GorefullBore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Curt Popejoy @NFLdraftboard

I'm not a sources guy but I did get an interesting text from a college buddy who claims the 49ers have reached out to Malzahn.

My friend has never steered me wrong but it's typically recruiting related and CFB. This would be new.

Ahhhh yeah. Baalke interviewing and scouting college players and building his board at the same time. Genius!

Maybe it's part of a background check on Sammie Coats.

Originally posted by Geeked:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Sometimes, the game just passes you by.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000247444/article/mike-holmgren-rips-browns-trent-richardson-trade

Trent Richardson=3.3 yards per carry this season with the Colts.

Mike Holmgren rips Browns' Trent Richardson trade
By Dan Hanzus Around the NFL Writer Published: Sept. 19, 2013 at 11:23 p.m. Updated: Sept. 20, 2013 at 03:41 p.m.





Mike Holmgren didn't believe it when his daughter told him on the phone. The Cleveland Browns had traded Trent Richardson?

The former Browns president wasn't convinced until he saw it for himself on his computer. Holmgren had moved up aggressively in the 2012 NFL Draft to nab Richardson. Now just two games into the running back's sophomore season, he was gone.


"I struggled with it," Holmgren told Seattle's KJR-AM on Thursday, via The Plain Dealer. "Philosophically, if I'm the coach and someone came in anywhere and did that, I'd say 'OK, fire me, or I'm going to quit. Or we're going to both go into the owner and talk about this and then we'll see who's still standing.' "

"How do you make your team better by trading your best player?" he added. "He's the best offensive player. He's a valuable, valuable guy."

Jed asked if they should interview Holmgren and Baalke showed him this article and they both...

It's extremely unfair to pick one bad judgement and claim that is a substantial representation of who Holmgren is.

1. You can point out bad judgments from Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, Jimmy Johnson etc. etc... but as long as you're right 60-80% of the time you're doing good.

2. Trent Richardson was probably the best player on a horrible Cleveland team as a rookie.. 12 total TDs and 1200 total yards after coming off surgery.
He was the #6 pick in the draft and was top ten in almost every draft board. Yeah he sucks now, but there could be many reasons for that.

3. Even if Holmgren was not a great GM, we are looking for a coach.

4. Holmgren never had a losing season in Green Bay. He only had 3 losing seasons in 10 years in Seattle with average talent. I hardly remember players on his Seattle squads.

5. He's won three Superbowls and made it to five. That's far more than a majority of NFL organizations...

6. He coached up Montana, Young, Favre, and Matt Hasselbeck all to multiple-time Pro-bowlers. Holmgren was a large part of why Ron Wolf traded for Favre.

7. If you are going to talk about age, at least do the reverse with the younger coaches. The youngest ever to win was Tomlin at 36, Gruden at 39 and John Madden at 40. Coughlin was 65, Vermeil 63 and Ewbank at 61.

8. I think the bigger rift is between Walsh and the Debartolos. Walsh wanted Holmgren to succeed him, but Debartolo chose Seifert. Don't think York and his uncle have the humility to admit or accept this. It was an ego thing and to think about the rift he and Walsh had throughout the years. Debartolo was a good owner, but he wasn't the best decision maker. Walsh was largely responsible for 4 out of 5 Superbowls and had influence in a fifth. Many fans here grew up with Harbaugh, Mariucci and Alex Smith so it's easy to try to associate Steve Mariucci & Jim Harbaugh with Bill Walsh and associate Alex Smith with Montana & Young. Hey it's understandable as a 49er fan, but if you are objective there is a huge disconnect with reality. As for Mariucci he got somewhat close and Harbaugh even closer, but I don't think either had the qualities for long term success at winning Superbowls. With someone like Belichick every year is an opportunity to win it all, not get close and ruin it in the end with three straight plays to Crabtree on the same side with the last play having no pressure answer. Harbaugh was a suger high and that's about it.

9. Holmgren was my preference but since that isn't going to happen, I like both Shanahan the master and Kubiak the pupil. I might give the edge to Kubiak because I think the's got enough of the knowledge under Shanahan and doesn't have some of the other baggage... (personality issues that can become distractions... ie. rift with Al Davis.. can't blame him, but did Shanny really have Elvis Grbac throw at Al Davis's head in '94 and what really went down with RG3/Snyder and Washington?) Anyways I'd look past that and be happy with Shanny, but Kubiak seems to have a great track record himself and is also proven. Shanny has three Superbowls (one as OC and two as coach)... Kubiak has two Superbowls as OC.

Originally posted by Antix:

Originally posted by goldlame2013:
One problem with this, the offense is a WRECK . It needs a major overhaul, and bring in an OC isn't gonna cut it.

A "major overhaul" isn't necessary. If we just had common sense on offense we'd be in the playoffs right now.

Need more than common sense. As of now, a 31 yr old running back is still your best runner, that aint gonna cut it. The offensive line can't pass protect. The running game is also suspect, and you can't blame injuries, something is wrong. You have no WR's that any defense considers a threat. There are no screen plays. And most important of all, you have a QB with shaky confidence that's almost destroyed. Sounds like an overhaul to me.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Curt Popejoy @NFLdraftboard

I'm not a sources guy but I did get an interesting text from a college buddy who claims the 49ers have reached out to Malzahn.

My friend has never steered me wrong but it's typically recruiting related and CFB. This would be new.

A buddy? This guy doesn't have any anonymous sources? What the hell kind of reporter is he?

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by cools:
Im predicting Fangio, hope it happens soon so he can tweak his coaching staff a bit, and bring in an OC, though Fang may like Chryst for that role

If it was going to be Fangio they wouldn't still be setting up interviews.

that's not true at all.

Its not false either.

They do have to satisfy the Rooney Rule thought. Which they have yet to do, but will soon now that both DC's for AZ and Det. are not available to interview. That maybe why they haven't out right hired Fangio yet. In the meantime, interview as many as you can. Show you're being exhaustive as possible.

Originally posted by goldlame2013:
One problem with this, the offense is a WRECK . It needs a major overhaul, and bring in an OC isn't gonna cut it.

Bringing an offensive coordinator isn't going to cut it? Uh what?

Originally posted by Pick6:
So, what if Baalke is an average talent evaluator/drafter on both sides of the ball - some good, some bad... but Fangio and his coaches have done a much better job of developing those players on DEF than Harbaugh and his entourage did with the OFF players. This seems plausible considering the drastic difference between the success of Baalke's defensive draft picks verses his offensive ones. Can he really be THAT good on one side and THAT bad on the other?

He is the guy I think I want most... but I REALLY want the offense to be better... so I'm struggling with this one.

Well said man. We know we need better offense but do not want to lose anything on defense. what a s**t situation.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by GorefullBore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Curt Popejoy @NFLdraftboard

I'm not a sources guy but I did get an interesting text from a college buddy who claims the 49ers have reached out to Malzahn.

My friend has never steered me wrong but it's typically recruiting related and CFB. This would be new.

Ahhhh yeah. Baalke interviewing and scouting college players and building his board at the same time. Genius!

Maybe it's part of a background check on Sammie Coats.

What is the word on Malzahn? i don't know a ton about him.

Originally posted by Pick6:

Originally posted by GorefullBore:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Good read and things to consider

FANGIO IS THE TEACHER YORK IS LOOKING FOR
Chris Biderman
Niners Digest

49ers defensive coordinator Vic Fangio's 'less-is-more' coaching style might be just what they need to replace Jim Harbaugh.

SANTA CLARA, Calif. - San Francisco 49ers general manager Trent Baalke doesn't believe an 8-8 season is cause to start from scratch with the team one week into its search to replace head coach Jim Harbaugh.

"This isn't a rebuild situation. This is a reload situation," Baalke said last week. "(I) got a lot of confidence in this team, the players in that locker room and we're going to need to make some adjustments."

Some of those players have already voiced their opinions, backing incumbent defensive coordinator Vic Fangio, who represents the most seamless transition of all the candidates being prodded by Baalke and the rest of San Francisco's brass.

Fangio's unit finished fifth in the NFL in total defense in 2014, despite missing a number of key players for chunks of the season, including All-Pro inside linebacker NaVorro Bowman, who missed the year with an ACL tear. Fellow inside linebacker Patrick Willisrequired season-ending toe surgery after appearing in six games. And outside linebacker Aldon Smith was suspended for the first nine games of the season for violating the NFL's substance abuse and personal conduct policies.

49ers CEO Jed York said in the aftermath of Harbaugh's departure "We expect to win the Super Bowl every year. That is our goal."

Those sky-high expectations are likely a product of the 49ers' illustrious past, that includes five championships under the stewardship of York's uncle, Eddie DeBartolo Jr. The fourth, in 1989, came under first-year head coach George Seifert, becoming just the second rookie coach in league history to win a Super Bowl. He went on to win another in the 1994-95 season.

Seifert, of course, was Bill Walsh's defensive coordinator for six seasons before taking over the head job. He already had a talented roster in place, along with a quarterback named Joe Montana.

Barring the hiring of Mike Shanahan, who won back-to-back Super Bowls in the 1997 and 1998 season with the Denver Broncos, or Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels, who coached the Broncos from 2009-2010, all signs are pointing to San Francisco going with a first-time head coach.

If, in fact, Baalke would rather "reload" than "rebuild," his best chance is to maintain the continuity that brought the 49ers to three consecutive conference title games before the disappointing 2014 season. And that means going with Fangio - in a similar move to DeBartolo going with Seifert in '89.

But maintaining continuity is just one of the draws in hiring the 56-year-old. Fangio's coaching style is the antithesis of what went wrong for the 49ers this season, particularly with the offense.

The overarching theme of Fangio's coaching style during his four season in San Francisco has been simplicity. Keep schemes and responsibilities simple, and the talent on the field will shine through.

The 49ers still have one of the league's most talented rosters. And under Fangio, instead of"trying to trick" opposing defenses, he would implement an offensive coaching staff that would stick with what's worked over the previous three seasons: a power running game that makes life easier on the quarterback.

Harbaugh was a "more is more" kind of coach. His famous catch phrase, "You're either getting better or getting worse. You never stay the same," exemplifies that no amount of work or preparation is too much.

In many ways, having Fangio on Harbaugh's staff balanced that out. Leading up to the game against Alex Smith and the Kansas City Chiefs in October, Fangio offered up a statement that best exemplifies his approach to preparation.

Fangio was asked if part of the preparation process for Smith was to ask Harbaugh about some of his tendencies. After all, it was Harbaugh who helped mold Smith into one of the league's most efficient quarterbacks after struggling mightily in his first six season before Harbaugh arrived.

"No, but sometimes too much study is paralysis by over-analysis. I watched the tape and prepared for him just like any other quarterback," Fangio said. "And I saw him play all those games and in practice. So, whatever I would ask him or answer I was looking for, I already had an opinion in my own mind."

There were a number of factors that played into the 49ers' offensive struggles in 2014, including injuries along the offensive line and three of their top four tight ends ending the season on injured reserve. Coordinator Greg Roman's offense finished 25th in scoring and 21st in yards, taking a dramatic step backward from the previous three years.

San Francisco's offense was plagued by "paralysis by over-analysis," choosing game plans on opposite sides of the spectrum week to week. It came as no surprise, as the season went along, the most successful offensive performances came when the 49ers ran the ball effectively, which was their staple of the previous three seasons.

York said he wants his next coach to be "a teacher."

With the exception of quarterback, Harbaugh's staff of 12 offensive coaches (Fangio's defense has just six) struggled to develop talent, particularly at the skill positions. The team's best offensive players, Frank Gore, Vernon Davis (excluding 2014) and Anquan Boldin were effective players before Harbaugh got to the 49ers.

Symbols of the team's offensive struggles in 2014 were the team's first two draft picks in 2012, wide receiver A.J. Jenkins and running back LaMichael James, who, on paper, represented the play-making ability the offense was lacking when they were drafted. They were shipped out of San Francisco before the end of their rookie contracts. Jenkins was traded before the start of his second season to Kansas City, while James was released a day after the team's season-opening win in Dallas.

The 2013 draft hasn't yielded fruits at the skill positions either. Tight end Vance McDonald, who was taken in the second round, has 10 receptions for 149 yards in his two seasons before a back injury landed him on IR midway through 2014. Fourth-round receiver Quinton Pattonhas appeared in nine regular season games, totaling six catches for 78 yards. Patton's overtime fumble in Week 16 gave the Chargers the ball, allowing them to hit the game-winning field goal moments later. Bruce Ellington, a fourth-round pick last spring, rarely saw the field outside of the return game.

Blame should be shared equally between the front office and Harbaugh's gaudy staff for their inability to develop those players.

Fangio, on the other hand, has seen a number of rookies - and incoming free agents - prosper on his side the ball. Safety Eric Reid earned a trip to the Pro Bowl after his rookie season. Cornerback Carlos Rogers resurrected his career after joining the 49ers as a free agent, earning a second-team All-Pro nomination in 2011. Veteran safety Antoine Bethea replacedDonte Whitner seamlessly, having arguably the best season of his nine-year career in 2014 and earning team MVP honors.

Bowman's first year as a starter came in Fangio's first season as coordinator. He went on to receive three straight first-team All-Pro nominations. Aldon Smith, a rookie that same year, quickly became one of the best pass rushers in the league under Fangio, who doubles as his position coach at outside linebacker. Ahmad Brooks also became a starter in 2011, before earning second-team All-Pro nods in 2012 and 2013.

The 2014 draft class of defensive appears to be on a similar trajectory under Fangio. Fifth-round pick Aaron Lynch became a quick study at outside linebacker. The same for cornerback Dontae Johnson, a fourth-round selection, who played a prominent role on the NFL's sixth-ranked passing defense, and is on the trajectory to becoming a starter in the coming seasons. Inside linebacker Chris Borland finished with 99 combined tackles making 11 starts replacing Willis at "Mike" linebacker.

And his rough outing in Week 2 against Brandon Marshall aside, first-round pick Jimmie Ward showed progression at arguably the defense's most difficult position of nickel cornerback.

If being a teacher is about developing talent, there's plenty of proof on Fangio's side, aided by simplistic approach. He reportedly interviewed with York and Baalke last week. It apparently went well.

Before the 49ers and Harbaugh officially parted ways, rumors centered around defensive line coach Jim Tomsula as the favorite to be his replacement. Tomsula has yet to interview, according to multiple reports, but that might not be significant given his familiarity to the front office. Tomsula was the interim coach after the team firedMike Singletary in 2010.

Reports from the San Jose Mercury News and CSN Bay Area indicate Fangio, who is under contract for 2015, would try to leave if Tomsula got the head job. Those reports also indicate Raiders defensive coordinator Jason Tarver would be Tomsula's first choice for defensive coordinator. Tarver spent 2001-2010 on San Francisco's staff.

If the 49ers tap Fangio, it's likely secondary coach Ed Donatell would be elevated to defensive coordinator. He held that position with the Green Bay Packers (2001-2003) and Atlanta Falcons (2004-2006).

The Walsh/Seifert and Harbaugh/Fangio parallels occurred to me as well. I'm still hoping they talk to Kubiak myself, but NCommand is right it is interesting.

So, what if Baalke is an average talent evaluator/drafter on both sides of the ball - some good, some bad... but Fangio and his coaches have done a much better job of developing those players on DEF than Harbaugh and his entourage did with the OFF players. This seems plausible considering the drastic difference between the success of Baalke's defensive draft picks verses his offensive ones. Can he really be THAT good on one side and THAT bad on the other?

He is the guy I think I want most... but I REALLY want the offense to be better... so I'm struggling with this one.

I just wish we had a clue as to who Fangio wants to help run the offense. I think it could really cement him as our guy.

Originally posted by Eduardo75:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by boast:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by cools:
Im predicting Fangio, hope it happens soon so he can tweak his coaching staff a bit, and bring in an OC, though Fang may like Chryst for that role

If it was going to be Fangio they wouldn't still be setting up interviews.

that's not true at all.

Its not false either.

They do have to satisfy the Rooney Rule thought. Which they have yet to do, but will soon now that both DC's for AZ and Det. are not available to interview. That maybe why they haven't out right hired Fangio yet. In the meantime, interview as many as you can. Show you're being exhaustive as possible.

If this was just a Rooney Rule thing they wouldn't be interviewing both Teryl Austin & Todd Bowles.

Originally posted by Jd925:

Originally posted by Geeked:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Sometimes, the game just passes you by.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000247444/article/mike-holmgren-rips-browns-trent-richardson-trade

Trent Richardson=3.3 yards per carry this season with the Colts.

Mike Holmgren rips Browns' Trent Richardson trade
By Dan Hanzus Around the NFL Writer Published: Sept. 19, 2013 at 11:23 p.m. Updated: Sept. 20, 2013 at 03:41 p.m.





Mike Holmgren didn't believe it when his daughter told him on the phone. The Cleveland Browns had traded Trent Richardson?

The former Browns president wasn't convinced until he saw it for himself on his computer. Holmgren had moved up aggressively in the 2012 NFL Draft to nab Richardson. Now just two games into the running back's sophomore season, he was gone.


"I struggled with it," Holmgren told Seattle's KJR-AM on Thursday, via The Plain Dealer. "Philosophically, if I'm the coach and someone came in anywhere and did that, I'd say 'OK, fire me, or I'm going to quit. Or we're going to both go into the owner and talk about this and then we'll see who's still standing.' "

"How do you make your team better by trading your best player?" he added. "He's the best offensive player. He's a valuable, valuable guy."

Jed asked if they should interview Holmgren and Baalke showed him this article and they both...

It's extremely unfair to pick one bad judgement and claim that is a substantial representation of who Holmgren is.

1. You can point out bad judgments from Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, Jimmy Johnson etc. etc... but as long as you're right 60-80% of the time you're doing good.

2. Trent Richardson was probably the best player on a horrible Cleveland team as a rookie.. 12 total TDs and 1200 total yards after coming off surgery.
He was the #6 pick in the draft and was top ten in almost every draft board. Yeah he sucks now, but there could be many reasons for that.

3. Even if Holmgren was not a great GM, we are looking for a coach.

4. Holmgren never had a losing season in Green Bay. He only had 3 losing seasons in 10 years in Seattle with average talent. I hardly remember players on his Seattle squads.

5. He's won three Superbowls and made it to five. That's far more than a majority of NFL organizations...

6. He coached up Montana, Young, Favre, and Matt Hasselbeck all to multiple-time Pro-bowlers. Holmgren was a large part of why Ron Wolf traded for Favre.

7. If you are going to talk about age, at least do the reverse with the younger coaches. The youngest ever to win was Tomlin at 36, Gruden at 39 and John Madden at 40. Coughlin was 65, Vermeil 63 and Ewbank at 61.

8. I think the bigger rift is between Walsh and the Debartolos. Walsh wanted Holmgren to succeed him, but Debartolo chose Seifert. Don't think York and his uncle have the humility to admit or accept this. It was an ego thing and to think about the rift he and Walsh had throughout the years. Debartolo was a good owner, but he wasn't the best decision maker. Walsh was largely responsible for 4 out of 5 Superbowls and had influence in a fifth. Many fans here grew up with Harbaugh, Mariucci and Alex Smith so it's easy to try to associate Steve Mariucci & Jim Harbaugh with Bill Walsh and associate Alex Smith with Montana & Young. Hey it's understandable as a 49er fan, but if you are objective there is a huge disconnect with reality. As for Mariucci he got somewhat close and Harbaugh even closer, but I don't think either had the qualities for long term success at winning Superbowls. With someone like Belichick every year is an opportunity to win it all, not get close and ruin it in the end with three straight plays to Crabtree on the same side with the last play having no pressure answer. Harbaugh was a suger high and that's about it.

9. Holmgren was my preference but since that isn't going to happen, I like both Shanahan the master and Kubiak the pupil. I might give the edge to Kubiak because I think the's got enough of the knowledge under Shanahan and doesn't have some of the other baggage... (personality issues that can become distractions... ie. rift with Al Davis.. can't blame him, but did Shanny really have Elvis Grbac throw at Al Davis's head in '94 and what really went down with RG3/Snyder and Washington?) Anyways I'd look past that and be happy with Shanny, but Kubiak seems to have a great track record himself and is also proven. Shanny has three Superbowls (one as OC and two as coach)... Kubiak has two Superbowls as OC.

Very nice post! Well done!

Originally posted by goldlame2013:

Need more than common sense. As of now, a 31 yr old running back is still your best runner, that aint gonna cut it. The offensive can't pass protect. The running game is also suspect, and you can't blame injuries, something is wrong. You have no WR's that any defense considers a threat. There are no screen plays. And most important of all, you have a QB with shaky confidence that's almost destroyed. Sounds like an overhaul to me.

Classic "guy with all the answers that doesn't even watch the team he's talking about" syndrome. Our starting o-line played maybe a combined eight quarters this season so how the hell was injuries NOT a factor? Also, said patchwork o-line gave up the third most sacks in the league so there's that as well.

Granted, Kap didn't play his best but to put it all on him is absurd.

The rest of your post is so ridiculous it's not even worth addressing.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
What is the word on Malzahn? i don't know a ton about him.

Might be a better offense coach then Chip Kelly. But unlike Kelly his innovation is more with the running game then passing. Took a 3 win Auburn team to the National Title game. But just fired his defensive staff after a down year (8-5) and hired Will Muschamp to run the defense.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jd925:

Originally posted by Geeked:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Sometimes, the game just passes you by.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000247444/article/mike-holmgren-rips-browns-trent-richardson-trade

Trent Richardson=3.3 yards per carry this season with the Colts.

Mike Holmgren rips Browns' Trent Richardson trade
By Dan Hanzus Around the NFL Writer Published: Sept. 19, 2013 at 11:23 p.m. Updated: Sept. 20, 2013 at 03:41 p.m.





Mike Holmgren didn't believe it when his daughter told him on the phone. The Cleveland Browns had traded Trent Richardson?

The former Browns president wasn't convinced until he saw it for himself on his computer. Holmgren had moved up aggressively in the 2012 NFL Draft to nab Richardson. Now just two games into the running back's sophomore season, he was gone.


"I struggled with it," Holmgren told Seattle's KJR-AM on Thursday, via The Plain Dealer. "Philosophically, if I'm the coach and someone came in anywhere and did that, I'd say 'OK, fire me, or I'm going to quit. Or we're going to both go into the owner and talk about this and then we'll see who's still standing.' "

"How do you make your team better by trading your best player?" he added. "He's the best offensive player. He's a valuable, valuable guy."

Jed asked if they should interview Holmgren and Baalke showed him this article and they both...

It's extremely unfair to pick one bad judgement and claim that is a substantial representation of who Holmgren is.

1. You can point out bad judgments from Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, Jimmy Johnson etc. etc... but as long as you're right 60-80% of the time you're doing good.

2. Trent Richardson was probably the best player on a horrible Cleveland team as a rookie.. 12 total TDs and 1200 total yards after coming off surgery.
He was the #6 pick in the draft and was top ten in almost every draft board. Yeah he sucks now, but there could be many reasons for that.

3. Even if Holmgren was not a great GM, we are looking for a coach.

4. Holmgren never had a losing season in Green Bay. He only had 3 losing seasons in 10 years in Seattle with average talent. I hardly remember players on his Seattle squads.

5. He's won three Superbowls and made it to five. That's far more than a majority of NFL organizations...

6. He coached up Montana, Young, Favre, and Matt Hasselbeck all to multiple-time Pro-bowlers. Holmgren was a large part of why Ron Wolf traded for Favre.

7. If you are going to talk about age, at least do the reverse with the younger coaches. The youngest ever to win was Tomlin at 36, Gruden at 39 and John Madden at 40. Coughlin was 65, Vermeil 63 and Ewbank at 61.

8. I think the bigger rift is between Walsh and the Debartolos. Walsh wanted Holmgren to succeed him, but Debartolo chose Seifert. Don't think York and his uncle have the humility to admit or accept this. It was an ego thing and to think about the rift he and Walsh had throughout the years. Debartolo was a good owner, but he wasn't the best decision maker. Walsh was largely responsible for 4 out of 5 Superbowls and had influence in a fifth. Many fans here grew up with Harbaugh, Mariucci and Alex Smith so it's easy to try to associate Steve Mariucci & Jim Harbaugh with Bill Walsh and associate Alex Smith with Montana & Young. Hey it's understandable as a 49er fan, but if you are objective there is a huge disconnect with reality. As for Mariucci he got somewhat close and Harbaugh even closer, but I don't think either had the qualities for long term success at winning Superbowls. With someone like Belichick every year is an opportunity to win it all, not get close and ruin it in the end with three straight plays to Crabtree on the same side with the last play having no pressure answer. Harbaugh was a suger high and that's about it.

9. Holmgren was my preference but since that isn't going to happen, I like both Shanahan the master and Kubiak the pupil. I might give the edge to Kubiak because I think the's got enough of the knowledge under Shanahan and doesn't have some of the other baggage... (personality issues that can become distractions... ie. rift with Al Davis.. can't blame him, but did Shanny really have Elvis Grbac throw at Al Davis's head in '94 and what really went down with RG3/Snyder and Washington?) Anyways I'd look past that and be happy with Shanny, but Kubiak seems to have a great track record himself and is also proven. Shanny has three Superbowls (one as OC and two as coach)... Kubiak has two Superbowls as OC.

Very nice post! Well done!

Agreed

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Jd925:

Originally posted by Geeked:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Sometimes, the game just passes you by.



http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000247444/article/mike-holmgren-rips-browns-trent-richardson-trade

Trent Richardson=3.3 yards per carry this season with the Colts.

Mike Holmgren rips Browns' Trent Richardson trade
By Dan Hanzus Around the NFL Writer Published: Sept. 19, 2013 at 11:23 p.m. Updated: Sept. 20, 2013 at 03:41 p.m.





Mike Holmgren didn't believe it when his daughter told him on the phone. The Cleveland Browns had traded Trent Richardson?

The former Browns president wasn't convinced until he saw it for himself on his computer. Holmgren had moved up aggressively in the 2012 NFL Draft to nab Richardson. Now just two games into the running back's sophomore season, he was gone.


"I struggled with it," Holmgren told Seattle's KJR-AM on Thursday, via The Plain Dealer. "Philosophically, if I'm the coach and someone came in anywhere and did that, I'd say 'OK, fire me, or I'm going to quit. Or we're going to both go into the owner and talk about this and then we'll see who's still standing.' "

"How do you make your team better by trading your best player?" he added. "He's the best offensive player. He's a valuable, valuable guy."

Jed asked if they should interview Holmgren and Baalke showed him this article and they both...

It's extremely unfair to pick one bad judgement and claim that is a substantial representation of who Holmgren is.

1. You can point out bad judgments from Bill Walsh, Bill Belichick, Jimmy Johnson etc. etc... but as long as you're right 60-80% of the time you're doing good.

2. Trent Richardson was probably the best player on a horrible Cleveland team as a rookie.. 12 total TDs and 1200 total yards after coming off surgery.
He was the #6 pick in the draft and was top ten in almost every draft board. Yeah he sucks now, but there could be many reasons for that.

3. Even if Holmgren was not a great GM, we are looking for a coach.

4. Holmgren never had a losing season in Green Bay. He only had 3 losing seasons in 10 years in Seattle with average talent. I hardly remember players on his Seattle squads.

5. He's won three Superbowls and made it to five. That's far more than a majority of NFL organizations...

6. He coached up Montana, Young, Favre, and Matt Hasselbeck all to multiple-time Pro-bowlers. Holmgren was a large part of why Ron Wolf traded for Favre.

7. If you are going to talk about age, at least do the reverse with the younger coaches. The youngest ever to win was Tomlin at 36, Gruden at 39 and John Madden at 40. Coughlin was 65, Vermeil 63 and Ewbank at 61.

8. I think the bigger rift is between Walsh and the Debartolos. Walsh wanted Holmgren to succeed him, but Debartolo chose Seifert. Don't think York and his uncle have the humility to admit or accept this. It was an ego thing and to think about the rift he and Walsh had throughout the years. Debartolo was a good owner, but he wasn't the best decision maker. Walsh was largely responsible for 4 out of 5 Superbowls and had influence in a fifth. Many fans here grew up with Harbaugh, Mariucci and Alex Smith so it's easy to try to associate Steve Mariucci & Jim Harbaugh with Bill Walsh and associate Alex Smith with Montana & Young. Hey it's understandable as a 49er fan, but if you are objective there is a huge disconnect with reality. As for Mariucci he got somewhat close and Harbaugh even closer, but I don't think either had the qualities for long term success at winning Superbowls. With someone like Belichick every year is an opportunity to win it all, not get close and ruin it in the end with three straight plays to Crabtree on the same side with the last play having no pressure answer. Harbaugh was a suger high and that's about it.

9. Holmgren was my preference but since that isn't going to happen, I like both Shanahan the master and Kubiak the pupil. I might give the edge to Kubiak because I think the's got enough of the knowledge under Shanahan and doesn't have some of the other baggage... (personality issues that can become distractions... ie. rift with Al Davis.. can't blame him, but did Shanny really have Elvis Grbac throw at Al Davis's head in '94 and what really went down with RG3/Snyder and Washington?) Anyways I'd look past that and be happy with Shanny, but Kubiak seems to have a great track record himself and is also proven. Shanny has three Superbowls (one as OC and two as coach)... Kubiak has two Superbowls as OC.

Very nice post! Well done!

So Baalke wanted a 69 year old Parcells in 2011 but won't talk to a 66 yr old Holmgren??