The 49ers 2015 Coaching Search Thread(All Rumors Here) | Page 10

Phoenix49ers · 2014-12-17T09:10:01-08:00

Updated the last thread, added a couple new choices that came up, eliminated some of the least popular ones, so here we go. Please put all coaching rumors and debate in this thread rather than creating new ones. My quick thoughts on each candidate. Mike Holmgren-A coaching great, a Super Bowl winner, great with QB's and a local guy. The downside is that he's 67, has been out of coaching for awhile and I don't know how strong the motivation is to put in the ridiculous hours that being a head coach requires. He seems interested according to various reports, but guys with that lengthy of a layoff from coaching don't often tend to do well. Pep Hamilton-The Colts offense has been explosive, Hamilton has done a very good job in utilizing the various pieces of his offense. However it has not been a very balanced offense, they obviously lacking talent at RB but it leaves one to wonder whether Luck is more responsible for the success that Indy has had than Hamilton. Adam Gase-Definitely a favorite of mine, has had some highly successful people vouching for him, is seeing as one of the top head coaching candidates going into 2015, could have had a job as a head coach in 2014 but turned it down in favor of more seasoning. Has shown he's very flexible in his approach, having coached Tebow and helped adjust the offense for him as well as having earned the respect of Manning for his offensive creativity. Young coach and just as with Hamilton, there's questions about whether his success has more to do with the quarterback running the offense than him. Gary Kubiak-All in all this this might be the best, most balanced candidate IMO. Was the QB coach on the 1994 49ers Superbowl team, recognized as having a tremendous offensive mind, his work with Baltimore as their OC has been outstanding. Their offense is ranked in the Top 10 of the NFL for the first time since 1997. A Ravens OL that was one of the worst in the NFL last season now all of a sudden is among the best in yards rushing before contact(3.1) and a low amount of sacks. Flacco is thriving and Justin Forsett has looked beastly in Kubiak's zone blocking scheme. Has head coaching experience, but isn't super old, only a few years older than Harbaugh was. Well experienced guy who has won Superbowl's as a QB coach and an OC. In the event that the 49ers were to lose Fangio, Kubiak could have Wade Phillips on deck to be the defensive coordinator. Issues to look at would be what changes he would make since things fell apart with the Texans and especially to look at health related concerns. But all in all, Kubiak presents the fewest concerns in my mind and from top to bottom would be dealing with a better roster than he ever had with the Texans. Vic Fangio-Seemingly the most popular internal candidate from these forums. A tremendous DC with a lot of coaching experience. Respected by the players and could probably keep most of the defensive staff intact. The familiarity would still remain as Fangio has been here for the entire Harbaugh era making for perhaps a much smoother transition. The downside is now that you need to find a quality OC and be at that person's mercy essentially the same way Nolan was. Jim Mora-He was brought up in a few places as a guy that would be interested perhaps in the 49ers making him an offer. Was a DC with the 49ers for quite a few years, also has head coaching experience in the NFL. Not a guy I'm real thrilled about but someone that has been brought up enough times to warrant consideration here. David Shaw-Seen as a popular choice, local guy, much more affable and media-friendly than Harbaugh is. Experienced coach that has been around a bit but the downside is that he's been criticized for similar struggles as this offense has had, scoring in the red zone....etc. I think his hiring would largely depend on who he brings to the table as an OC.

Dec 18, 2014 at 8:32 AM

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NYniner85
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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 24plus25er:
Promoting Vic isn't an option. If Jim leaves, he leaves.

And you know this how exactly? Fangio was an assistant and a defensive coordinator in the NFL for a long time before he got involved with Jim Harbaugh, just because he came over with with him from Stanford doesn't mean he's going to go bouncing around the NFL just because he does. Fangio's contract also lasts through 2015, meaning he can't just up and leave suddenly unless its for a head coaching position.

If the 49ers offered him a head coaching spot, it'd be silly to think he'd turn it down so he could play Robin to Harbaugh's Batman.

Then again he wasn't considered a good defensive coordinator before hooking up with Harbaugh. He might have loyalty to him for reviving his career.

where did you get that from? he was a damn good coordinator long before he hooked up with Harbaugh

His defenses in NC, INDY, and Houston got progressively worse each year and by the time he left each place they were at the bottom of the league..

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Dec 18, 2014 at 8:32 AM

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Jcool:

This.

I like McDaniels but I'm starting to warm up to this guy. BrING him home

Dec 18, 2014 at 8:33 AM

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teylo31
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Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Who ever we get is instantly a downgrade from Harbaugh

Because the next coach couldn't get this roster to 9-7, 8-8 or 7-9

Dec 18, 2014 at 8:34 AM

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theduke85
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Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Who ever we get is instantly a downgrade from Harbaugh

I truly believe this. The grass is always greener on the other side, and a lot of people are forgetting that.

Dec 18, 2014 at 8:34 AM

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NYniner85
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Originally posted by JerryRice1848:
Hue Jackson time

PASS....

Dec 18, 2014 at 8:42 AM

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NYniner85
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Originally posted by Gore_21:

Originally posted by CWin4949:
I don't care who the HC is, but if Fangio leaves, we will be absolutely screwed. They need to make Fangio HC and bring in anyone who can put together a top 10 offense and we will be set.

I'd definitely be on board with that and start calling up teams and hoping one gives us permission to speak to their oc.. kubiak, hue jackson, hamilton, gase, etc. wrathman makes a good point though about them leaving for a hc job in a few years if they do well. almost need to find an offensive guru and make him hc long term. i guess could always do next man up at oc when that person leaves if we went with fangio. i mean if we are a good team though we shouldnt have problems finding a good oc but for continuity wise might be better off going next man up or finding someone of the same pedigree.

Why would and OC that has been successful this pass season leave their current job as a OC to go to other team for the same job?

Dec 18, 2014 at 8:43 AM

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mayo49
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If getting rid of Roman means Harbaugh has to go, I'm all for it.

Dec 18, 2014 at 8:50 AM

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dmax
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I WANT AN OFFENSIVE MINDED COACH ..PERIOD

Dec 18, 2014 at 8:51 AM

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I'm glad I'm not the one making this decision. I would feel very secure and confident if they hire ubiak, provided that his brain doesn't pop. Gase seems like such an interesting prospect, but high risk/high reward. We could ride into the future with the emergent mind leading the next strategic leap forward in offensive football (remember those days?), or we could get a super-smart wonder kid who can't pull together the organization and handle the executive duties of the job. Beyond that, Kubiak uses WCO terminology (safe and familiar), while Gase is digits (new, with risk of a learning curve for the players).

Both sound like great options. Kubiak seems unlikely to blow up in our faces, and I am almost certain the offense would improve under him, but Gase seems ready to set the world on fire.

What to do?

Dec 18, 2014 at 8:52 AM

#145

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Gore_21:

Originally posted by CWin4949:
I don't care who the HC is, but if Fangio leaves, we will be absolutely screwed. They need to make Fangio HC and bring in anyone who can put together a top 10 offense and we will be set.

I'd definitely be on board with that and start calling up teams and hoping one gives us permission to speak to their oc.. kubiak, hue jackson, hamilton, gase, etc. wrathman makes a good point though about them leaving for a hc job in a few years if they do well. almost need to find an offensive guru and make him hc long term. i guess could always do next man up at oc when that person leaves if we went with fangio. i mean if we are a good team though we shouldnt have problems finding a good oc but for continuity wise might be better off going next man up or finding someone of the same pedigree.

Why would and OC that has been successful this pass season leave their current job as a OC to go to other team for the same job?

I can't imagine ANY team granting that permission, especially to us. I know several teams are still pissed at us for refusing to allow position coaches to interview for coordinator positions.

Dec 18, 2014 at 8:53 AM

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What is all of this new found love for Kubiak?

Dec 18, 2014 at 9:00 AM

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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I'm glad I'm not the one making this decision. I would feel very secure and confident if they hire ubiak, provided that his brain doesn't pop. Gase seems like such an interesting prospect, but high risk/high reward. We could ride into the future with the emergent mind leading the next strategic leap forward in offensive football (remember those days?), or we could get a super-smart wonder kid who can't pull together the organization and handle the executive duties of the job. Beyond that, Kubiak uses WCO terminology (safe and familiar), while Gase is digits (new, with risk of a learning curve for the players).

Both sound like great options. Kubiak seems unlikely to blow up in our faces, and I am almost certain the offense would improve under him, but Gase seems ready to set the world on fire.

What to do?

Adam Gase for HC! I think having a very driven GM like Baalke would help him in becoming a leader and I like the idea of having a young coach that is hungry to be the next great HC for a storied franchise....Kubiak is my 2nd option and is a safe pick, but I'd take a chance on one of the great young offensive minds! How great would it be to have Gase be the real deal and not have to worry about getting a new coach in 5 years?

he has my vote

Dec 18, 2014 at 9:06 AM

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You know what, I'd be down to bring Kubiak to 49ers. Itd be a good fit. He coaches a great zone blocking run/playaction scheme that this current talent is already geared for and if somehow Fangio stays and a healthy Bowman & Dorsey and full year of Aldon & Tank and Justin one more round then 2015 can be a very decent season. with Kubiak and beyond.

Dec 18, 2014 at 9:17 AM

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I hardly ever post but I think Kubiak would be legit for this offense. With WCO concepts you dont NEED track stars and would be able to utilize the entire offense very well and better then Harbaugh IMO.

Nobody is scratching their head that "Gase's" offense with Manning got dominated in Seattle in the Super Bowl?... They are the team to beat in the NFC, like it or not until proven otherwise or miss the playoffs.

No homer responses please, id love to these some great football minds bring up some stats. Kubiak offenses VS seattle stats perhaps etc.?

Dec 18, 2014 at 9:21 AM

#150

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Good comments guys - WAYYYYYYYYYY to many to copy here.

My Top 4 in the order are:

A). Gase - Many reasons already stated - in short, offensive mind that can adapt AND innovate - we've already got a terrific D in place

B). Kubiak - REAL experience and depth, proven over & over. Has made mistakes and IMO has learned from them

C). Pep - I don't know enough about him but from what many of you have written and what I've seen - he's very bright and brings an AGGRESSIVE offensive mentality

D). Josh McDaniels - This is based allot on feelings. The guy is creative and aggressive on offense. He is working w/one of the greatest coaches in NFL history. I think he'd bring allot to the organization

Finally, I also believe all of these guys could help Kap grow.