If Jim Harbaugh leaves, who do you want as the next coach of the 49ers(All Coaching Rumors

Holmgren would lay the foundation, Groom one of his coaches to take over

Im pretty sure Chudzinski was one of his guys in Clev, He could be our next OC

I agree with you Cools that the key would be bringing in a young OC to take over down the road. Holmgren was/is a stern task master! He would no doubt set up mini camps that would really help develop fundamental skills, whether he did the hands on or not. Don't know much about Chudzinski but he was invited back to the Browns after being fired--with a promotion. Is that a good thing considering the Browns management? LOL! I think so as he was seen as good enough to be promoted to OC.

Originally posted by cools:
Holmgren would lay the foundation, Groom one of his coaches to take over

Im pretty sure Chudzinski was one of his guys in Clev, He could be our next OC

Holmgren had left after the 2012 season so he wasn't with Cleveland when Chudzinski was hired.

Originally posted by ayleswbj11:
Harbaugh's offensive philosophy is just fine, it's that at the moment he has a qb who can't hit the broad side of a barn. Those other offenses your talking about have Hall of fame QBs running them.

Take washington for example, what does gruden run a WCO. He has no QB to do it, there ofdense stinks. It's a little better with Mccoy, but it will always be the same. If you don't have a QB then our offense goes no where. Right now ours is in a major slump. I fear it's only gonna get worse before it gets better

OR maybe they run a offense that benefits the strengths of the players?! The line is awful in pass protection and has been for years, why would you have Kap go through 3 and 4 progressions when the pocket is collapsed and the WRs aren't even done their routes? I mean did you think the game plan has been successful this year? Do you think throwing 30+ passes on the 7th ranked pass D in Oakland was smart? Gore is avg over 5 yards a carry last week and Oakland is one of the worst run defenses in the league so let's throw the ball 30+ times?

Good head coaches put their players in a spot to win games and I haven't seen anything that suggests that this year (on offense)....love Jim and thank him for bring back a winning philosophy to this organization, but I haven't seen any adjustments during the season let alone in the 2nd half of games (how many pts has SF scored in the 2nd half?)....if he can't change the system around or fire Roman and his high school pass plays, then he has to move on.

Bring on a young offensive mind that is hungry to be successful at the highest level on a team with a storied franchise

Didn't Mike Holmgren coach some QB back in the late 80's who needed to be taught to stay in the pocket until he went through all his reads? I think the guy ended up doing ok. I suppose he would be a good choice if he still felt like coaching. Other than that any of the other offensive coaches except McDaniels. As others said he has a bad reputation of annoying the players with his over the top BS.

Originally posted by BobS:
Didn't Mike Holmgren coach some QB back in the late 80's who needed to be taught to stay in the pocket until he went through all his reads? I think the guy ended up doing ok. I suppose he would be a good choice if he still felt like coaching. Other than that any of the other offensive coaches except McDaniels. As others said he has a bad reputation of annoying the players with his over the top BS.

Holy crap... I agree; where's the other bob? what have you done with him!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by verb1der:
Sorry this is a bit off the topic but I've always wondered about this coaching tree, it seems like it's not the entire picture. I mean where did Bill Walsh come from? I highly doubt he's the root. The truth is probably that he's a branch off of an even bigger tree. But us Niner fans cut if off at Walsh's branch.

Anyways, carry on.

Walsh gets credit for gathering ideas from Brown, Gilman, Davis and other great offensive minds to meld them into a high efficiency, pass to set up the run system. One reason he gets credit is that many coaches said it was a gimmick offense and that he would never be successful with his dink and dunk offense. They did not believe an offense could keep up the high degree of efficiency over a season or in the playoffs. After several niner Super Bowl victories these anti-Walsh coaches looked like neanderthals. Wish I could recall some of the coaches who laughed at him...though some of that was due to Walsh's arogance.

Edit: You have to laugh at some of the coaches on the list though, as this group was touched by Walsh or someone else who was touched by Walsh...could include every coach in the NFL today if you carried it to an extreme. Doesn't mean they used his offense as he did.

Ahh that makes sense, thanks for the history lesson!

Originally posted by cools:
Holmgren would lay the foundation, Groom one of his coaches to take over

Im pretty sure Chudzinski was one of his guys in Clev, He could be our next OC

plus if I remember Chudzinski did a hell of a job with Cam Newton.

Who is allot like Kap with his mobility.

Originally posted by BobS:
Didn't Mike Holmgren coach some QB back in the late 80's who needed to be taught to stay in the pocket until he went through all his reads? I think the guy ended up doing ok. I suppose he would be a good choice if he still felt like coaching. Other than that any of the other offensive coaches except McDaniels. As others said he has a bad reputation of annoying the players with his over the top BS.

Thats my only real worry with him. You didnt have many guys coming out say "man were going to miss Coach McDaniels alot"

Everything Ive read seemed to indicate that he had a very abrasive, difficult to deal with persona.

Whoever the HC is, I really hope we get Chudz at OC. He has done well with TE's (to bring out the best in VD)and did well with Newton and Hoyer (so he could bring out the best in Kap). Having him as OC and Fangio as DC would be great together imo. As far as HC, I just hope we find someone who eliminates the stupid challenges, playclock errors, lack of halftime adjustments, and personnel conflicts.

Originally posted by ESWYoung08:
Whoever the HC is, I really hope we get Chudz at OC. He has done well with TE's and did well with Newton and Hoyer. Having him as OC and Fangio as DC would be great together imo. As far as HC, I just hope we find someone who eliminates the stupid challenges, playclock errors, lack of halftime adjustments, and personnel conflicts.

Once again, why would Chud leave Indy, particularly if Hamilton gets hired as a head coach somewhere. The choice comes down to calling plays for an already established offense and a star young QB on the upswing and working with a project of a QB that has regressed in many ways.


I also think that unless you have an offensive minded head coach, you're just courting a disaster because someone will give him another head coaching opportunity sooner or later, meaning he could be a Norv-like "one and done" if you even manage to get him in the first place.

lol at all this Holmgren talk, this aint 1997

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Here's a fun read from September 1981 explaining why Walsh and Montana couldn't win with the short passing game:

"Through three weeks, the 49ers are 5th in passing yards. Montana is leading the NFL in completion percentage. The problem: the team is 1-2, and Montana's pick six against Atlanta is one of the reasons why. When Jim Plunkett led the Raiders on a magical run a few months ago, he didn't do it by throwing short passes. Plunkett completed just 53% of his passes, but he averaged 17.1 yards per completion in those four playoff games. For his career, Montana has completed 64% of his passes but averaged a pitiful 10.5 yards per completion. Which approach do you think works better, the one that won the Super Bowl or the guy who has a career record of 3-8?"

I love the "pitiful 10.5 yards per completion" comment!

Incredible article. One of my favorite parts: "The team is 9-26. Walsh may still be the answer. Heck, Montana may be, too. But the 49ers need to run much more if they want to win. And when they pass, it wouldn't hurt if they actually threw it downfield."

Who knew? People were just as likely to jump to conclusions 34 years ago as they are today. And they're just as likely to pretend they know more about football than the head coach.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Once again, why would Chud leave Indy, particularly if Hamilton gets hired as a head coach somewhere. The choice comes down to calling plays for an already established offense and a star young QB on the upswing and working with a project of a QB that has regressed in many ways.


I also think that unless you have an offensive minded head coach, you're just courting a disaster because someone will give him another head coaching opportunity sooner or later, meaning he could be a Norv-like "one and done" if you even manage to get him in the first place.

I'm not certain Chud would be offered OC on the Colts, though it would be smart. There is also the threat of losing a good OC every season if you have a good offense. Whatever OC we hire, if we do well, they are liable to get poached regardless. I'd rather get an OC that has a system that works well with us for one year than a terrible OC who drags us down for 4 years, but that is just my preference.

Originally posted by susweel:

lol at all this Holmgren talk, this aint 1997

Won a conference title in 2005, had a top 10 offense in 2007 (his second to last yr coaching.) league is not that different from 2008, we trade wildcat for read option and more teams run a tempo offense.