Week 14 - 2014: Thoughts after rewatching the game...

I don't think an offense this bad is the responsibility of any one guy. Coaches have to take the first accountability. They're responsible for the squad as a whole. Has the offense stopped listening to the coaches? That's still a coach problem. I agree that some of the offensive players must be cleared out, but the offensive coaches (save Rathman and probably Harbaugh) must go.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I don't think an offense this bad is the responsibility of any one guy. Coaches have to take the first accountability. They're responsible for the squad as a whole. Has the offense stopped listening to the coaches? That's still a coach problem. I agree that some of the offensive players must be cleared out, but the offensive coaches (save Rathman and probably Harbaugh) must go.

Harbaugh is a big part of the offensive scheme. I don't think you can change the scheme and keep Harbaugh.

Marvin are you still gonna post on the Seahawks forums even if niners are not in the playoffs ?

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
I don't think an offense this bad is the responsibility of any one guy. Coaches have to take the first accountability. They're responsible for the squad as a whole. Has the offense stopped listening to the coaches? That's still a coach problem. I agree that some of the offensive players must be cleared out, but the offensive coaches (save Rathman and probably Harbaugh) must go.

Harbaugh is a big part of the offensive scheme. I don't think you can change the scheme and keep Harbaugh.

That may be true. However, they tried more of a read option offense last season, but abandoned it after a 1-2 record. I noted that Harbaugh would probably have to go. But the mismatched parts of the offense must be smoothed out by whoever does it.

Originally posted by susweel:
Marvin are you still gonna post on the Seahawks forums even if niners are not in the playoffs ?

Sure. Why not?

They still post about the Niners all the time.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Total BS.

Kaps not playing well at all so I'm not giving him a pass, but to say all the problems are his is just nuts.

At one or both of the final home-games these fans will be chanting for Gabbert. I can't stand these fans.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by susweel:
Marvin are you still gonna post on the Seahawks forums even if niners are not in the playoffs ?

Sure. Why not?

They still post about the Niners all the time.

Just asking.

Originally posted by Stevem123:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Total BS.

Kaps not playing well at all so I'm not giving him a pass, but to say all the problems are his is just nuts.

At one or both of the final home-games these fans will be chanting for Gabbert. I can't stand these fans.

This is the fanbase that chanted they wanted David Carr.

'nuff said.

You want to make matters worse for this 1st play. Not only does Kap not hit Miller in the flat which he could have done if he read the coverage and released the ball on time. As he escapes left he motions for the receiver to head deep. All the while the defense is rotating toward him. Then he lofts up a duck. The safties were already on the way when he escaped left. They had more time to get over as he motioned the WR where to go. Then even more time when he lofted the ball high. Easy pickens. Throwing picks when you have open receivers. Isn't that how our season eneded last year with an open Patton on the left and a pick thrown to a well covered Crabtree on the right.

Originally posted by znk916:

Originally posted by sc49erob:
Do you guys not see the pressure that Tuck brings after Gore fails on his attempt to block him. Tuck causes Kap to scramble left making it unable to hit Miller in the flat.

Gore doesn't fail at all, in fact he does his job and cuts Tuck to get his hands down to give Kap a passing lane to get the ball out quickly to the right side as designed.

Frank has definitely had some missed blocks this year, but this isn't one of them as far as I can tell.

Yes, Gore does, but Tuck is back up quickly and Miller's back is to Kap and Woodson is right there to make this tackle for no gain probably.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by Stevem123:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Total BS.

Kaps not playing well at all so I'm not giving him a pass, but to say all the problems are his is just nuts.

At one or both of the final home-games these fans will be chanting for Gabbert. I can't stand these fans.

This is the fanbase that chanted they wanted David Carr.

'nuff said.

Tough love. I say it worked.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by susweel:
Marvin are you still gonna post on the Seahawks forums even if niners are not in the playoffs ?

Sure. Why not?

They still post about the Niners all the time.

Just asking.

I'll probably still be around here if the Niners are not in the playoffs. Maybe less frequently, but still around.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by sc49erob:

Originally posted by rEspEctdA49ers:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by thl408:
I don't usually do this till Tuesdays, but here is the first INT. I don't need the all22 to know what's going on here. I was curious how often Kap dropped back with good time in the pocket, and no where to pull the trigger. What I found on the first play is all I think I'll need to see.

This is the Spot concept that Walsh used to abuse defenses. It has easy to see progressions built into the route combination and is a staple play in the WCO. I've seen Kap execute this play a number of times. How he could possibly f**k it up here is mind boggling. It's a 5 step drop timing throw. The progression is Corner(VD) -Curl(Boldin) -Flat(Miller). After the 5 step drop, the routes begin to break down as they become dead routes. Crabs is running a backside Curl.

OAK: cover3 with the backside CB playing man coverage on Crabs. There's a deep safety in the middle of the field that is off the screen.
Simply through defensive alignment (orange defender), VD should be red lighted pre snap. He's not going to be open on the Corner route because the orange DB has outside leverage via his positioning. That leaves the next key defender to be the blue defender, the strongside curl-flat defender.


Snapshot of the moment just before the orange defender is off the screen, there is his positioning, Sure enough, orange has outside leverage and will defeat VD's Courner route. Nothing to see here for Kap. He needs to quickly adjust his eye level to the curl-flat defender (blue). Blue is now facing the Curl-Flat concept coming at him.


If blue shades towards, Miller, then rifle it in to Boldin. If blue shades towards Boldin, then target Miller. Easy peasy. Again, it's a rhythm throw. Once the 5 step drop is completed, the routes will begin to break down. Boldin can't get any more open standing there after completing his Curl. Miller can't keep running to the flat or he'll go out of bounds. The window to the backside Curl (Crabs) is about to close. Form this picture, it looks like Kap is still waiting for the Corner route to magically become open. Boldin is well bracketed, the correct throw here is to Miller. If led properly with the pass, he may net minimal RAC.


The Spot route combination is now dead. Kap has not executed his assignment on the play. If the throw to the flat (Miller) nets 2-3 yards, so be it. Tip your hat to the defense and go play 2nd down.

miller in the flat for a 4-5 yard gain is there easy. this f**king guy smh.

What I'd like to know is the reason for Kaep's reluctancy to hit the flat when it's open, is it the system? Has he developed some kind of go for the home run mentality? Someone mentioned earlier of his ability to complete similar throws on the run as above (but in MUCH more plausible situations), and that is true, he frequently had a bailout throw he'd make just about every game. Maybe it's in his nature to just try and create even when the RIGHT play is in front of him? His ability to run certainly affects his decision-making, maybe he feels like he can run and run away from defensive linemen until something opens up. I'd hope JH would stress the dangers of this (if it weren't obvious enough), but I do believe it's in his nature to try and create more so than keep it simple. It also seems like the system does try to convert him into a dropback QB, which he isn't. He's no dummy (despite his recent play), the guy can make plays, I just wish the simplicities of playing QB (throwing the ball away, checking down, being... well the word hurts, but CONSERVATIVE). With his reckless style of play, he didn't seem to turnover the ball as much when we first were introduced to his play, but this year has been entirely different.

Listen, I understand the system plays a HUGE role in his recent downplay, and it's like some kind of programming that's to convert him into a different player instead of natural development. He seems reluctant to run, to make simple checkdowns, and is missing his throws pretty badly.

I just wish that when he's on the field, he could come to the conclusion that taking what the defense gives you isn't the worst thing in the world.

Do you guys not see the pressure that Tuck brings after Gore fails on his attempt to block him. Tuck causes Kap to scramble left making it unable to hit Miller in the flat.

The main point is taking what the D is giving you on any given play.
Receivers covered, Franks block was weak
check down to Miller for a few yards
2-7

instead Kap is forcing plays that are not there
turnover that turns into 3 points for Oakland

on the first play of the game
that's unacceptable

I see Woodson covering Miller on this play. Woodson bails after Kap scrambles. Even if Kap had hit Miller quickly, Woodson would of been right there for no gain. Kap just make a bad throw and didnt see the safety. It happens!

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by sc49erob:
Do you guys not see the pressure that Tuck brings after Gore fails on his attempt to block him. Tuck causes Kap to scramble left making it unable to hit Miller in the flat.

The gif shows the oppsosite. Kap has got about a second to hit Miller.

He has got even more than a second to hit Miller. Are you sure that we are talking about the same play?

Yes it is the same play. Miller isn't the 1st read on the play though. By the time he gets to Miller, Tuck is pressuring him. Even if Miller was the 1st read, Woodson is right there for the tackle for minus yards or no gain, but still better than the Interception though.

Originally posted by thl408:
Here's a similar play with the same route combination. Gore with the same blocking assignment on a DE. Gore does what's needed to give Kap time and a throwing lane. The DE does block the throwing lane to the Curl, but the Flat is there. (from the pinned Film Analysis thread)

I like this play, its a rollout and Miller is clearly the 1st option.