Week 14 - 2014: Thoughts after rewatching the game...

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 9moon:
so, does anyone know why Kaep and Boone were screaming at each other at one point??

I remember this happening, but don't remember when. What quarter was it and what happened before this?

i think it had to do with once again the plays not getting off in time...not sure though why he was yelling at Boone...but was saying something of the effect that "you need to call it out f*cking quicker" or something.

What's funny is Carr yelled at his center yesterday for a delay of game and fans (Kaep haters) on here called it 'passion and energy'. Wtf.

That's not hating. I want Kap in peoples faces when they f**k up. At this point VD shouldn't have an ass left because Kap should've chewed it off by now. He needs to get a little Manning/Brady in him and set the guys straight.

I agree! The irony was that when Kaep did it there was issue for some on here. As I watched this offense this year and last year I've come to the conclusion it REALLY misses Delanie Walker. Those 2-3 TE sets were difficult to cover. I don't know if they don't have faith in Vance and Carrier or what but the offense has gone down hill since he left.

one thing I don't get at the first play:
IF it really is a cover3, who is the third guy in the deep zone??? I mean, orange defender and the deep safety are two of the three guys responsible for the deep zones, who is the third one, if it is not the CB who was covering Crabtree?

Originally posted by sc49erob:

Originally posted by rEspEctdA49ers:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by thl408:
I don't usually do this till Tuesdays, but here is the first INT. I don't need the all22 to know what's going on here. I was curious how often Kap dropped back with good time in the pocket, and no where to pull the trigger. What I found on the first play is all I think I'll need to see.

This is the Spot concept that Walsh used to abuse defenses. It has easy to see progressions built into the route combination and is a staple play in the WCO. I've seen Kap execute this play a number of times. How he could possibly f**k it up here is mind boggling. It's a 5 step drop timing throw. The progression is Corner(VD) -Curl(Boldin) -Flat(Miller). After the 5 step drop, the routes begin to break down as they become dead routes. Crabs is running a backside Curl.

OAK: cover3 with the backside CB playing man coverage on Crabs. There's a deep safety in the middle of the field that is off the screen.
Simply through defensive alignment (orange defender), VD should be red lighted pre snap. He's not going to be open on the Corner route because the orange DB has outside leverage via his positioning. That leaves the next key defender to be the blue defender, the strongside curl-flat defender.


Snapshot of the moment just before the orange defender is off the screen, there is his positioning, Sure enough, orange has outside leverage and will defeat VD's Courner route. Nothing to see here for Kap. He needs to quickly adjust his eye level to the curl-flat defender (blue). Blue is now facing the Curl-Flat concept coming at him.


If blue shades towards, Miller, then rifle it in to Boldin. If blue shades towards Boldin, then target Miller. Easy peasy. Again, it's a rhythm throw. Once the 5 step drop is completed, the routes will begin to break down. Boldin can't get any more open standing there after completing his Curl. Miller can't keep running to the flat or he'll go out of bounds. The window to the backside Curl (Crabs) is about to close. Form this picture, it looks like Kap is still waiting for the Corner route to magically become open. Boldin is well bracketed, the correct throw here is to Miller. If led properly with the pass, he may net minimal RAC.


The Spot route combination is now dead. Kap has not executed his assignment on the play. If the throw to the flat (Miller) nets 2-3 yards, so be it. Tip your hat to the defense and go play 2nd down.

miller in the flat for a 4-5 yard gain is there easy. this f**king guy smh.

What I'd like to know is the reason for Kaep's reluctancy to hit the flat when it's open, is it the system? Has he developed some kind of go for the home run mentality? Someone mentioned earlier of his ability to complete similar throws on the run as above (but in MUCH more plausible situations), and that is true, he frequently had a bailout throw he'd make just about every game. Maybe it's in his nature to just try and create even when the RIGHT play is in front of him? His ability to run certainly affects his decision-making, maybe he feels like he can run and run away from defensive linemen until something opens up. I'd hope JH would stress the dangers of this (if it weren't obvious enough), but I do believe it's in his nature to try and create more so than keep it simple. It also seems like the system does try to convert him into a dropback QB, which he isn't. He's no dummy (despite his recent play), the guy can make plays, I just wish the simplicities of playing QB (throwing the ball away, checking down, being... well the word hurts, but CONSERVATIVE). With his reckless style of play, he didn't seem to turnover the ball as much when we first were introduced to his play, but this year has been entirely different.

Listen, I understand the system plays a HUGE role in his recent downplay, and it's like some kind of programming that's to convert him into a different player instead of natural development. He seems reluctant to run, to make simple checkdowns, and is missing his throws pretty badly.

I just wish that when he's on the field, he could come to the conclusion that taking what the defense gives you isn't the worst thing in the world.

Do you guys not see the pressure that Tuck brings after Gore fails on his attempt to block him. Tuck causes Kap to scramble left making it unable to hit Miller in the flat.

Here's a pic that takes place in between the two pics above. Tuck was not blocking the throwing lane to Miller. Tuck just got cut and is regaining his balance. Again, this is a 5 step rhythm throw. The ball should be just released by now, or at the very least in the process of being released.

and why didn't Kap send VD on the fade route? I mean, the single safety would go for VD instead for Crabtree if played correctly, wouldn't he?

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by znk916:
remember when we used to laugh at Kap faking one way and Gore going the other?

does anyone remember the last time we ran playaction?

First play of the game vs Oakland was Playaction....did you mean read option?

Thl408's prepared gif

I never noticed until now how much Gore whiffed on his block!

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
I never noticed until now how much Gore whiffed on his block!

the block wasn't perfect but it brought plenty of time for kap.
The only issue here, if at all, is the fact that Kap could not escape over the right side. imho, that would be more of a luxury than a task for Gore by design.

Though, wait, right when Tuck was rebalancing, Kap could indeed escape to the near side.

"Nice", he completely ignored the Flat on the near side of the field.

Originally posted by communist:
and why didn't Kap send VD on the fade route? I mean, the single safety would go for VD instead for Crabtree if played correctly, wouldn't he?

Once the film thread is up, we'll see why VD wasn't targeted, if that's what you mean. The single safety had plenty of time to mirror Kap as Kap ran across the field and eventually got the INT.

I agree with you that Gore didn't nail his block, but he didn't need to. He did what was necessary for Kap to complete his dropback, and gave Kap a throwing lane. Gore didn't expect, nor should he, that Kap would hang on to the ball for that long. It's a RB blocking a DE. The blocking assignment isn't asking for Gore to completely neutralize the DE for a long duration. Just cut the DE long enough for the QB to make the quick throw.

Here's a similar play with the same route combination. Gore with the same blocking assignment on a DE. Gore does what's needed to give Kap time and a throwing lane. The DE does block the throwing lane to the Curl, but the Flat is there. (from the pinned Film Analysis thread)

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
I never noticed until now how much Gore whiffed on his block!

the block wasn't perfect but it brought plenty of time for kap.
The only issue here, if at all, is the fact that Kap could not escape over the right side. imho, that would be more of a luxury than a task for Gore by design.

Very true. Like someone asked earlier I would like to know why we don't take that short pass.

Originally posted by communist:
Though, wait, right when Tuck was rebalancing, Kap could indeed escape to the near side.

"Nice", he completely ignored the Flat on the near side of the field.

To be fair though, the time window for escaping over the near side was VERY tight, imho.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by communist:
Though, wait, right when Tuck was rebalancing, Kap could indeed escape to the near side.

"Nice", he completely ignored the Flat on the near side of the field.

To be fair though, the time window for escaping over the near side was VERY tight, imho.

Based on how that side of the line has played this year he may have panicked and took off prematurely.

Originally posted by sdaddy101269:
Based on how that side of the line has played this year he may have panicked and took off prematurely.

I'd rather take this than the interception

Originally posted by thl408:
Once the film thread is up, we'll see why VD wasn't targeted, if that's what you mean. The single safety had plenty of time to mirror Kap as Kap ran across the field and eventually got the INT.

I agree with you that Gore didn't nail his block, but he didn't need to. He did what was necessary for Kap to complete his dropback, and gave Kap a throwing lane. Gore didn't expect, nor should he, that Kap would hang on to the ball for that long. It's a RB blocking a DE. The blocking assignment isn't asking for Gore to completely neutralize the DE for a long duration. Just cut the DE long enough for the QB to make the quick throw.

cannot wait any longer

Originally posted by tondiman:
Sorry, the Scheme story had me for a little..and it could make some sense. But in the end the quarterbacks aren't puppets with strings leading to the hands of their coaches. Kaep mistakes are his. That first INT and that last INT were HIS.

Yes I can agree the system was simplified for him (or maybe for all his qb's in general) but nobody is teaching him to overthrow his receivers by 10 YARDS, or to completely ignore his scape route (dump passes to rb's) or to not throw a bullet from 5 yards away, or to not see his 3 and 4th option.

I am this FIRST person to say that coaches are by far the most important position in sports, especially football. But its all on Kaep here. It plain, clear, and simple.

Total BS.

Kaps not playing well at all so I'm not giving him a pass, but to say all the problems are his is just nuts.