Do you believe in Kap can be the franchise QB?

Originally posted by Huego:
can't wait until i see kap's jersey for sale at Ross for 19.99

I'm pretty sure you can get firewood for cheaper.

Originally posted by Rascal:
Flat out NO !!

what a surprise.

Originally posted by Janitor:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Janitor:
EVERY QB IN THE LEAGUE has a bad season. To give up after one would be silly, IMO.

Is he having a bad year? Yes.

Drew Brees had an off year (albeit he also got injured), and the Chargers gave up on him....how'd that work?

Can't completely drop a guy from one bad season. If he had two poor seasons in a row I'd start listening. Trading or cutting someone after one bad season though is lunacy, at any position.

he wasnt great last year either but he was without crabtree for most of it so guys gave him a bit of a pass. so far with more this year he has done less, coaching or not he has regressed.

lolwut

Is true. He wasn't that great neither last year. By the end of the season, I was definitely not sold on the guy and wanted to draft a QB to compete with him before we decide to give him that big contract. But, hey that's all history now.

He can't read defenses. Stop the 49er run on first down with 8 in the box and the drive is over.

Originally posted by LoneWolf:
Could be............ if we had at least one speedy receiver.

That too. Crabtree can walk, Lloyd needs to go. Bring back Boldin, Johnson, Ellington and Patton. Add a guy like Kevin White if they draft early enough or Sammie Coates later on in the draft.

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Janitor:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Janitor:
EVERY QB IN THE LEAGUE has a bad season. To give up after one would be silly, IMO.

Is he having a bad year? Yes.

Drew Brees had an off year (albeit he also got injured), and the Chargers gave up on him....how'd that work?

Can't completely drop a guy from one bad season. If he had two poor seasons in a row I'd start listening. Trading or cutting someone after one bad season though is lunacy, at any position.

he wasnt great last year either but he was without crabtree for most of it so guys gave him a bit of a pass. so far with more this year he has done less, coaching or not he has regressed.

lolwut

you thought he was great last year? if so, we've got different expectations for the qb. save the he won 2 road playoff games cus i already know that happened. i'm talking from game 1 until the end, would say he was great last year? i wouldnt. he was better than this year but thats not saying much.

We went to the NFCCG.....He had an absurdly high TD to INT ratio (in the good way)....


C'mon man, you can't tell me he didn't play well last year.

POINT IN CASE: Everyone says he has regressed. Can't regress unless you were good. So there.

f**k no.

Originally posted by communist:
what a surprise.

LOL, this.

Originally posted by communist:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Flat out NO !!

what a surprise.

Can't lie. Have seen enough. He won't be able to make it to a polished pocket passer cos he just doesn't have what that mental part of the game demands.

He's got the physical tools, but I'm not sure about what's between the ears. I've been less than impressed with his situational awareness. He also plays way too uptight. When I watch Kap, I see a guy that's relied on his physical tools his whole life. Now his big arm and legs can't bail him out, so he looks less than ordinary.

I've seen Kap make a number of big plays, but not many "smart plays."


I still have hope, but I need to see him in a competent offensive scheme.

Originally posted by Janitor:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Janitor:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Janitor:
EVERY QB IN THE LEAGUE has a bad season. To give up after one would be silly, IMO.

Is he having a bad year? Yes.

Drew Brees had an off year (albeit he also got injured), and the Chargers gave up on him....how'd that work?

Can't completely drop a guy from one bad season. If he had two poor seasons in a row I'd start listening. Trading or cutting someone after one bad season though is lunacy, at any position.

he wasnt great last year either but he was without crabtree for most of it so guys gave him a bit of a pass. so far with more this year he has done less, coaching or not he has regressed.

lolwut

you thought he was great last year? if so, we've got different expectations for the qb. save the he won 2 road playoff games cus i already know that happened. i'm talking from game 1 until the end, would say he was great last year? i wouldnt. he was better than this year but thats not saying much.

We went to the NFCCG.....He had an absurdly high TD to INT ratio (in the good way)....


C'mon man, you can't tell me he didn't play well last year.

POINT IN CASE: Everyone says he has regressed. Can't regress unless you were good. So there.

i didnt tell you he didnt play well. i asked you if you thought he played great. you can insert words i didnt use in your response to me but it doesnt make it true. he was not great last year by my standards. i guess 10+ yrs of no qb with 20+ tds really lowered some peoples standards. just taking the gb and carolina playoff games, he had throws the db dropped picks on that maybe turn the way the game went. micha hyde (sp?) for gb dropped a 4th quarter pick in that playoff game. 2 weeks later kam chancellor picks that ball off on a very similar play. thats the type of s**t i'm talking about, just because you escape disaster doesnt mean you played great.

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Janitor:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Janitor:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Janitor:
EVERY QB IN THE LEAGUE has a bad season. To give up after one would be silly, IMO.

Is he having a bad year? Yes.

Drew Brees had an off year (albeit he also got injured), and the Chargers gave up on him....how'd that work?

Can't completely drop a guy from one bad season. If he had two poor seasons in a row I'd start listening. Trading or cutting someone after one bad season though is lunacy, at any position.

he wasnt great last year either but he was without crabtree for most of it so guys gave him a bit of a pass. so far with more this year he has done less, coaching or not he has regressed.

lolwut

you thought he was great last year? if so, we've got different expectations for the qb. save the he won 2 road playoff games cus i already know that happened. i'm talking from game 1 until the end, would say he was great last year? i wouldnt. he was better than this year but thats not saying much.

We went to the NFCCG.....He had an absurdly high TD to INT ratio (in the good way)....


C'mon man, you can't tell me he didn't play well last year.

POINT IN CASE: Everyone says he has regressed. Can't regress unless you were good. So there.

i didnt tell you he didnt play well. i asked you if you thought he played great. you can insert words i didnt use in your response to me but it doesnt make it true. he was not great last year by my standards. i guess 10+ yrs of no qb with 20+ tds really lowered some peoples standards. just taking the gb and carolina playoff games, he had throws the db dropped picks on that maybe turn the way the game went. micha hyde (sp?) for gb dropped a 4th quarter pick in that playoff game. 2 weeks later kam chancellor picks that ball off on a very similar play. thats the type of s**t i'm talking about, just because you escape disaster doesnt mean you played great.

So when we win it's not because of him, but when we lose, it is?

Seems fair.

Kap's already proven himself to be a franchise QB. Kaps' not having a great year this year, but the main reason we went so far in 2012 & 2013 was just riding his arms and legs. Playoff wins against the Packers twice, Falcons, Panthers. I think the coaching was the obstacle in preparation, schemes, strategy, philosophy, tactics, play calling, red-zone, situational practice and prep, penalties etc. With our defense I think we would have been a playoff team, but not a Championship team. A lot of the past success was mostly Kap. Has Kap regressed? Maybe some, but the whole team has. The team has lost its fire. The coaching has remained consistently bad on offense. This year Kap hasn't been able to save the coaching staff as before and that's even probably the coaches fault. The coaching staff discouraged the very thing that saved their jobs the last couple seasons and that's letting him run.

BTW off-topic: I thought Kap won us the Superbowl on that run play before Harbaugh called a timeout on the last offensive play in the Superdome.. I think people were saying there was a delay of game flag thrown, but I always wanted to see the actually replay because I didn't see the flag and thought he got the snap off in time and scored the winning TD... always bugged me I never saw the actual flag so I'm still going to blame Harbaugh until I see a replay..... and even if there was a flag, there would have been more space passing from the 5 yd line on a corner route...

Originally posted by 49erfaninAZ:
I really wanted him to be but it obvious Harbaugh is not the qb genius we think he is

What type of stuff does he whisper in his ear anyhow? Maybe it's merely just drool!!

Originally posted by Janitor:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Janitor:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Janitor:

Originally posted by crabman82:

Originally posted by Janitor:
EVERY QB IN THE LEAGUE has a bad season. To give up after one would be silly, IMO.

Is he having a bad year? Yes.

Drew Brees had an off year (albeit he also got injured), and the Chargers gave up on him....how'd that work?

Can't completely drop a guy from one bad season. If he had two poor seasons in a row I'd start listening. Trading or cutting someone after one bad season though is lunacy, at any position.

he wasnt great last year either but he was without crabtree for most of it so guys gave him a bit of a pass. so far with more this year he has done less, coaching or not he has regressed.

lolwut

you thought he was great last year? if so, we've got different expectations for the qb. save the he won 2 road playoff games cus i already know that happened. i'm talking from game 1 until the end, would say he was great last year? i wouldnt. he was better than this year but thats not saying much.

We went to the NFCCG.....He had an absurdly high TD to INT ratio (in the good way)....


C'mon man, you can't tell me he didn't play well last year.

POINT IN CASE: Everyone says he has regressed. Can't regress unless you were good. So there.

i didnt tell you he didnt play well. i asked you if you thought he played great. you can insert words i didnt use in your response to me but it doesnt make it true. he was not great last year by my standards. i guess 10+ yrs of no qb with 20+ tds really lowered some peoples standards. just taking the gb and carolina playoff games, he had throws the db dropped picks on that maybe turn the way the game went. micha hyde (sp?) for gb dropped a 4th quarter pick in that playoff game. 2 weeks later kam chancellor picks that ball off on a very similar play. thats the type of s**t i'm talking about, just because you escape disaster doesnt mean you played great.

So when we win it's not because of him, but when we lose, it is?

Seems fair.

again where did i say any of those things? not everything is either 0 or 100, there is a middle ground you know. for my money he played alright last season but it wasnt great to me. he clearly didnt have teams back on their heels like he did in the back half of 2012. to me he has regressed and thats not what i want to see out of my alleged franchise qb. mike vick once was the first visiting qb to ever win a playoff game in lambeau and had his team in an nfc title game after the 2004 season. it looked awesome then, but he regressed. i see similar s**t in kap.