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Originally posted by midrdan:
Why not take the 10 yard gain by throwing to a wide open Gore in the flat?
Originally posted by midrdan:
Originally posted by thl408:
Kind of going backwards here, but this is the first play from scrimmage for the 49ers as they open the game by taking a deep shot.
WAS: cover1 man
Playaction to sell the flow of the play to the left. Kap then starts to roll to his right. This looks like a play the 49ers have run many times before as the hit the FB/TE going against the flow of the playaction.
Kap halts his rollout to the right and looks to throw back across the field. Crabs had been running as if to follow Kap's rollout to the right to influence the deep safety (blue). Crabs will also turn back towards the left.
Kap is mid windup.
Just missed.
The rollout right as well as the nice route by Crabs gets the deep safety to flow away from where the play is designed to go. In this case, Crabs was open. This won't be the case in the other times that the 49ers look for the deep shot.
Why not take the 10 yard gain by throwing to a wide open Gore in the flat?
Originally posted by midrdan:
Originally posted by thl408:
Kind of going backwards here, but this is the first play from scrimmage for the 49ers as they open the game by taking a deep shot.
WAS: cover1 man
Playaction to sell the flow of the play to the left. Kap then starts to roll to his right. This looks like a play the 49ers have run many times before as the hit the FB/TE going against the flow of the playaction.
Kap halts his rollout to the right and looks to throw back across the field. Crabs had been running as if to follow Kap's rollout to the right to influence the deep safety (blue). Crabs will also turn back towards the left.
Kap is mid windup.
Just missed.
The rollout right as well as the nice route by Crabs gets the deep safety to flow away from where the play is designed to go. In this case, Crabs was open. This won't be the case in the other times that the 49ers look for the deep shot.
Why not take the 10 yard gain by throwing to a wide open Gore in the flat?
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by thl408:
We know the 49ers suck it big when trying to execute screen passes left/right to the RB. Whether that's because they can't coach it, the don't have the proper traits in their Olinemen, or a combination of the two and/or other factors, who knows. There are other ways to help slow down a pass rush, one of which is the draw play, which I have hoped for the 49ers to call once in awhile. Here the 49ers run a draw play to Gore.
Nice call there...yikes on the execution. Have you or anyone else noticed any tip-offs re: screen passes to RB's or WR screens, even quick-outs at the LOS designed to pick someone and get YAC? It just seems like defenses are ALL OVER these even pre-snap IIRC. It's been bothering me for a while but I can't figure out what it is.
There's definitely something up with the WR screen passes. If I recall correctly, there were a few that have come close to being INTed. It happened @DEN, @NYG, and in this game as well.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Marvin49:I think we feel the same way - which is why we mention the disclaimer. It's that it seems like if we point to Kap it's taken that either people jump on that he sucks or that we're trying to pass blame away from coaching. Sometimes, it's neither. He's in the process of being coached and isn't anywhere close to being a finished product. So, just like a statue looks like an ugly hunk of marble for most of the time the artist is chiseling away, Kap will look deficient as he's in the process of being coached up. Also, just like it's not the fault of the stone or the artist who carves the marble, but the process, so it is with our offense I think.
Originally posted by thl408:
Nice opening thought about how much we have to be thankful for. It's funny that we have to give a disclaimer before pointing out things the team needs to work on to get better. That said, I wanted to echo the same disclaimer.
DISCLAIMER: I am a Kap fan. Just because I critique his game, it does not mean I am a hater. From a coaches point of view, it is good to strive for perfection while hoping for excellence. The assessments may be harsh, but as we watch Kap develop, these cut ups provide a way for us to monitor his progress. As the years go by, we can see him get better in certain areas and look back and point to where he has grown.
WAS came with a healthy mix of man and zone coverage. A bit more man coverage than I expected considering how other teams have defended the 49ers by playing majority zone. Often, WAS would load the box with 8 and play man coverage. This is a compliment to the run game and a disrespect to the passing game. Some of that could be on Kap, but I think a lot of it is on the WR corp's lack of a deep threat. WAS didn't feel the need to fear being beat deep. This is why the 49ers took some deep shots even with no deep threats. That was what WAS dared the 49ers to do, beat them deep. It worked on the first drive and that caused the 49ers to try a few more times throughout the game.
When the WRs were covered downfield - no surprise there - there were indeed options underneath to throw to. Kap instead, scrambled for minimal gains. If the deep option is not there, Kap needs to be fast with adjusting his eye level to the short routes. Whether this is on the coaching to drill it into his head or on Kap to do it because that would be the logical thing to do, it needs to be done. There was one play on the final drive of the 1st half where there were 4 routes going out, both deep routes were double covered and Kap waited for it to become open. All the while the two underneath routes were open. I'll show a few plays regarding this.
I thought Marcus Martin didn't have a good game run blocking. He failed to recognize his block and that led to a few bad runs. Aldon's presence was felt up and down the Dline. The RayMac sack was a direct result of Aldon as Fangio moved Aldon around the Dline. Alfred Morris' big day was mainly a result of some missed assignments and shoddy tackling. This needs to get fixed for Thursday's game. I consider Morris like a mini-Lynch, big RB with good quickness, tough to bring down. RG3 is terrible and if you want to see a QB that doesn't know wth he's looking at when he drops back, RG3 is that guy. I'm sure a lot has to do with the 49er pas rush, but he is going down Micael Vick's career path if he doesn't shape up - good athlete, poor football IQ.
I just want to make this clear...
...I had a rant in my own thread about Kap haters here, in the stadium and in the media. I do NOT consider any criticism of his play in THIS thread by yourself unfair criticism.
My biggest issue is people with blind hatred of Kap who are impossible to reason with. Kap has holes in his game. He's got work to do to become the player we all want him to be. Pointing out those issues is a good thing. Writing him off as a loser QB based on very little information tho is what drives me nuts.
Originally posted by Giedi:I do recall though that at this point in the game, that DE in particular(not sure of his name) was flying upfield very aggressively. He got some pressure on Kap and blew up a run play or two by doing that and I think they were trying to take advantage of that, just didn't work out.
Originally posted by thl408:
I like the draw play, but it just dawned on me that since Colin is mobile, most D Linemen have to have very good pass rush discipline. So they will unlikely take any wide pass rushes that a draw play can take advantage of. Still, I like the play and we should use it more as Colin gets better in the passing game and use it as a counter to a defense overloading the pass.
Originally posted by 9moon:I'd have to disagree there. For me, I'd want him to put a little air under it because the receiver had room to work towards the sideline. You don't want a high archer, but, you want a little air so that the receiver can adjust a little bit. It's VERY hard to make a throw like that on a line - it leaves you zero room for error. With a little air, it's much more likely to be caught. If you watch Aaron Rodgers make those throws, it's got pretty much the same arc as Kap put on it. Like Thl said, it was thaaaaat close.
But you see, this is the part where Kaep needs some good QB coaching.. he needs to be tought when to zip the ball and when to put some air..
this pass to Crabb should never been a lobbed ball... he had a yard or 2 separation and he needs to throw the ball on a line here...
This is a different corner pattern than the one where he LOBBED the ball to Anquan and Seattle's Chansellor intercepted it..
or, he coulda hit the back ASAP on the swing and it woulda been a foot race..
Originally posted by thl408:I was gonna take a look at this play, but since you already got it, #91 totally blows up this play. If you watch, he's playing the "7" technique. He'll eat up 3 of our guys, Staley, Iupati and Martin and still works his ay through and is the first guy that touches Gore. That is an incredible individual effort by that defender and kinda embarrassing for our guys. Sometimes, you gotta tip your hat to the other team.
There were three times in this game where the 49ers had 3rd & 1. In two of those instances they were unsuccessful in converting. Here is the first time they were faced with 3rd & 1.
2Q 3rd & 1
Outside zone left.
The OLB opposite of Carrier (#46) defends this in a way that I think causes confusion for the blockers.
At the snap the OLB opposite Carrier loops inside.
MMartin and Iupati is seen engaging with that looping OLB. This leaves the backside LB (orange) free to roam.
The looping OLB eats up two blockers. Had MMartin been able to get to the second level, he could have put a hat on orange. Orange stuffs the hole.
This was a nice call by WAS to loop the OLB inside thus disrupting the blocking assignments of the Oline. No gain. Punt.
Originally posted by awp8912:
I know this is a lot to ask but would love a separate thread from Jonnydel and thl408 on what we need to do this thanksgiving on Offense especially to beat the Seahawks decidedly. Given how we've failed to put together a solid Offensive showing all season (other than at stl), what are the odds we "break" out on thursday.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:I was gonna take a look at this play, but since you already got it, #91 totally blows up this play. If you watch, he's playing the "7" technique. He'll eat up 3 of our guys, Staley, Iupati and Martin and still works his ay through and is the first guy that touches Gore. That is an incredible individual effort by that defender and kinda embarrassing for our guys. Sometimes, you gotta tip your hat to the other team.
There were three times in this game where the 49ers had 3rd & 1. In two of those instances they were unsuccessful in converting. Here is the first time they were faced with 3rd & 1.
2Q 3rd & 1
Outside zone left.
The OLB opposite of Carrier (#46) defends this in a way that I think causes confusion for the blockers.
At the snap the OLB opposite Carrier loops inside.
MMartin and Iupati is seen engaging with that looping OLB. This leaves the backside LB (orange) free to roam.
The looping OLB eats up two blockers. Had MMartin been able to get to the second level, he could have put a hat on orange. Orange stuffs the hole.
This was a nice call by WAS to loop the OLB inside thus disrupting the blocking assignments of the Oline. No gain. Punt.
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by 9moon:I'd have to disagree there. For me, I'd want him to put a little air under it because the receiver had room to work towards the sideline. You don't want a high archer, but, you want a little air so that the receiver can adjust a little bit. It's VERY hard to make a throw like that on a line - it leaves you zero room for error. With a little air, it's much more likely to be caught. If you watch Aaron Rodgers make those throws, it's got pretty much the same arc as Kap put on it. Like Thl said, it was thaaaaat close.
But you see, this is the part where Kaep needs some good QB coaching.. he needs to be tought when to zip the ball and when to put some air..
this pass to Crabb should never been a lobbed ball... he had a yard or 2 separation and he needs to throw the ball on a line here...
This is a different corner pattern than the one where he LOBBED the ball to Anquan and Seattle's Chansellor intercepted it..
or, he coulda hit the back ASAP on the swing and it woulda been a foot race..
