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Do you believe Colin Kaepernick is the answer at QB?
Do you believe Colin Kaepernick is the answer at QB?
Nov 4, 2014 at 5:07 PM
- 49erLegend
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Statistics mean what?
Nov 4, 2014 at 5:09 PM
- Antix
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Kap is okay. I think he's perfectly capable of winning a SB. If Wilson can win a SB so can Kap. If Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer can win a SB so can Kap. We just don't have SB level offensive coaching...a point which I'm sure has been made a million times in this thread.
[ Edited by Antix on Nov 4, 2014 at 5:10 PM ]
Nov 4, 2014 at 5:09 PM
- VinculumJuris
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Glennon looking all-pro on those stat sheets. Good stuff.
Nov 4, 2014 at 5:13 PM
- buck
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In 2013, Kaepernick had 25 pass plays that went for more than 25 yards.
He was ranked 17th in the league.
This year after eight games:
He was ranked 17th in the league.
This year after eight games:
Nov 4, 2014 at 5:15 PM
- ethan
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He is the answer until they find a better one. That is the bottom line, as it is with players all around the league.Remember the team was courting Peyton Manning with Alex Smith and Kaepernick both on the roster a couple years back. Coming off a very successful season.
Nov 4, 2014 at 5:15 PM
- dhp318
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No and I never have. He's going to need to actually figure out how to read defenses and make his team better before I believe in him.
Nov 4, 2014 at 5:17 PM
- DavidWGibson
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Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by Injuredlife:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
You would be different than every Defensive Coordinator in the NFL. If you didn't fear him you'd also be quickly unemployed.
What does his paycheck have to do with anything? He makes what QBs make. He handles every snap? So? You are lacking a point there.
He doesn't snap the ball. He doesn't block. He doesn't catch the ball. He doesn't call the play. Football is a TEAM game and ALL the parts need to do their job regardless who gets paid what. If you really think Kap is the source of the Niners problems then you don't have the first clue what you're watching.
Our Defense humiliates QBs like Kaepernick. What does $120 Million Dollar have to do with his responsibilities?
Players that snap the ball, block, catch aren't paid $120 Million. If Kaepernick wants to do those things instead of being Quarterback then go right ahead under a different salary.
There are issues on this Offense and they start firmly with the guy who handles each snap and dictates when and where the ball will go. I don't blame a Right Fielder for a Pitcher hanging curveballs.
Dude. I'm done with ya. HE MAKES WHAT QBS MAKE. Period. This is a TEAM SPORT.
Your comparison is laughable.
Football and Baseball are completely different sports.
If the Pitcher makes 100 mil and the right fielder make 100K and drops the ball 8 times, is it the pitchers fault. Come on now.
The size of your paycheck doesn't dictate your responsibility to play all the other positions. To suggest so is ridiculous and why I am increasingly tired of the banter in this forum.
This place is frustrating.
Look man, I think Kap is a great short term answer... pretty much as long as JH remains HC, Kap will remain QB. The same way Roman will remain OC.
I don't think it's any secret there's something seriously flawed behind the closed doors of this organization... it's starting to fall apart at the seams. I mean, an NFL OL coach is going to take a step down to go back to college ranks... well respected players are speaking out about the scheme... media has been jumping at the bit...
I personally give Harbaugh until the end of his contract, but it wouldn't surprise me if the reports were true and he's gone no matter what.
But I don't think Kap is the long term answer. I've said this forever: he has no touch. It takes YEARS to develop touch. Thousands of hours of passing nothing but touch passes... I don't see it happening.
Nov 4, 2014 at 5:18 PM
- Shalynch
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Kap just got a contract he ain't going anywhere all the HATERS need to find a new team ASAP
Nov 4, 2014 at 5:18 PM
- 9erred
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Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by 9erred:
41 % of the people in this pole are wrong. CK7 has done so much, and yet people cannot get past that he is not a good interview or has tattoos. Colin Kaepernick has only brought the team to an NFC Championship where Kyle Williams flubbed it.
Brought the Niners to a Super bowl after years of perjatory.
Has made the team fun to watch.
Just signed a long term extension.
Like I said he IS the answer for the 9ers, get on the train or get left behind.
We haven't been fun to watch honestly.
Wow...fun to watch? Exciting maybe...but definately not fun for me...not the last two games anyway! Always enjoy the 9ers but watching the offense this year has been painful.
Painful??
1. Tim Rattay
2. Giovanni Carmazzi
3. Jim Druckenmiller
4. Cody Pickett
5. Ken Dorsey
6. Steve Stensrom
7. Shaun Hill
8. Chris Weinke
9. Jt O Sullivan
10. Trent Dilfer
11. Jeff Garcia
12. Alex Smith
You want to talk PAINFUL. 12 quarterbacks since Steve Young retired in 1998. Colin Kaepernick is the best of all of the above. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to watch game film of these qb's to realize they are not game changers, game managers at best.
Nov 4, 2014 at 5:19 PM
- buck
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Originally posted by 49erLegend:Statistics mean what?
go to http://www.merriam-webster.com/
type in statistics
get your answer
Nov 4, 2014 at 5:23 PM
- DavidWGibson
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Originally posted by buck:
Air yards is defined as the total distance that a football is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage to the point of reception.
Here are the "air yards" per pass attempt.
See? Brian Hoyer winning in Cleveland with a real WCO. Kyle Shanahan next 49ers HC!
Nov 4, 2014 at 5:26 PM
- BobS
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Originally posted by Marvin49:You make that statement like without the sacks he would have posted a higher number, which is wrong. Sacks don't count against QB rating. Count each sack as an incompletion, and remove the negative yardage and he gets a 73.4. His real average was only 4.46 yards per passing play. Major flaw in that system as sacks are drive killers and are ignored. Another flaw throwing no interceptions is weighted highly. If a guy is 0-10 for no yards he would still get a 39.5 just from throwing no picks. Picks are killers of course but if a guy just throws a handful of screen passes he should not get so much credit for not getting any picked off. A lot of those sacks are on Kaepernick, all mobile dual threat quarterbacks hold the ball longer than their pocket passing counterparts. Case in point Peyton Manning is a statue and in their careers Kap gets sacked at almost 3x the rate of Manning. That doesn't mean Manning has always been afforded superior protection, it means the ball gets out quick, not much time for a sack to occur.
Originally posted by crake49:
Originally posted by 49ERFANb4Uwas:
Has anyone commented yet on Kaepernick's flawed mechanics. When he throws, he doesn't looked polished at all
His delivery has been discussed repeatedly. He has a baseball pitcher's delivery, much like John Elway had. And regardless of how he looks to you or anyone else, he's currently rated very high in accuracy and he has one of the strongest arms in the league. Harbaugh has said in interviews that he doesn't like to mess with a QB's delivery if that player is comfortable with the way he throws.
Cracks me up that peeps are just all over Kap as if he's the issue. LOL.
He gets sacked 8 times yet still posts a QB rating of 97.7 and almost pulled out the win yet somehow and HE's the problem. Yup...not a great throw to Crab. Also not good blocking the 8 times he was sacked and the numerous others he was pressured.
It's so LAZY to put all the blame on the QB. He's an easy scapegoat. It's just that simple.
Really makes me sick of this place sometimes.
Nov 4, 2014 at 5:27 PM
- IdahoNiner
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To get back on topic though.
I believe Kaep CAN be that guy. Right now he is not though. For whatever reason we don't have the right formula going right now.
MOST of the issues we are having on offense are not specifically his fault. But he is not without fault this season. He has been shaky in the pocket, or what little pocket is given, and he has been pretty inaccurate even though the stats don't prove it. Simply put, he has not passed the eye test.
But the real sad fact is, the majority of the issues this team is having right now fall squarely on Harbs.
Harbs is the head coach.
And while coaching is a team effort, ultimately every decision outside of personel come down to a harbaugh decision. Harbaugh makes the decision.
Roman is employed by Harbs.
This is Harbs offensive scheme.
Harbs insists on not playing Johnson. The only WR that should be getting more snaps than Johnson is Boldin.
Harbs insists on getting away from the run.
Harbs insists on not running the football in the redzone.
Harbs insists on ignoring RB rotations.
Harbs insists on ignoring Millers contributions to the success of the offense.
Harbs does not want to utilize the three capable TE's we have on the roster.
Harbs has not corrected the clock management issues which have existed the entire time he has been here under two different QB's.
Harbs has not corrected the penalty issues which have existed since he has been here.
Until Harbs shows that he can adapt and correct issues that have existed since he was hired, then i don't believe he has the ability or will to do so.
It seems that ultimately pure stubbornness or outright failure to address glaring issues may be the legacy Harbs leaves.
I believe Kaep CAN be that guy. Right now he is not though. For whatever reason we don't have the right formula going right now.
MOST of the issues we are having on offense are not specifically his fault. But he is not without fault this season. He has been shaky in the pocket, or what little pocket is given, and he has been pretty inaccurate even though the stats don't prove it. Simply put, he has not passed the eye test.
But the real sad fact is, the majority of the issues this team is having right now fall squarely on Harbs.
Harbs is the head coach.
And while coaching is a team effort, ultimately every decision outside of personel come down to a harbaugh decision. Harbaugh makes the decision.
Roman is employed by Harbs.
This is Harbs offensive scheme.
Harbs insists on not playing Johnson. The only WR that should be getting more snaps than Johnson is Boldin.
Harbs insists on getting away from the run.
Harbs insists on not running the football in the redzone.
Harbs insists on ignoring RB rotations.
Harbs insists on ignoring Millers contributions to the success of the offense.
Harbs does not want to utilize the three capable TE's we have on the roster.
Harbs has not corrected the clock management issues which have existed the entire time he has been here under two different QB's.
Harbs has not corrected the penalty issues which have existed since he has been here.
Until Harbs shows that he can adapt and correct issues that have existed since he was hired, then i don't believe he has the ability or will to do so.
It seems that ultimately pure stubbornness or outright failure to address glaring issues may be the legacy Harbs leaves.
Nov 4, 2014 at 5:27 PM
- NinerFanInNewEngland
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We can win a SB with Kap so I guess my answer is yes but my biggest concern is that in 37 starts he doesn't have one game winning clutch drive. It seems like he always comes up short in those moments. Closest he's come is the ATL NFCCG and the New england game but those were both with more than 5 minutes on the clock. Yes he got a FG vs Green Bay last year but that's alot easier than getting 6
Nov 4, 2014 at 5:34 PM
- brodiebluebanaszak
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It's not about clutch or not clutch. Its about consistent play. Consistent throws.He needs to get better there so his receivers arent reaching and lunging all the time.
[ Edited by brodiebluebanaszak on Nov 4, 2014 at 5:35 PM ]
