Do you believe Colin Kaepernick is the answer at QB?

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by 9erred:
41 % of the people in this pole are wrong. CK7 has done so much, and yet people cannot get past that he is not a good interview or has tattoos. Colin Kaepernick has only brought the team to an NFC Championship where Kyle Williams flubbed it.

Brought the Niners to a Super bowl after years of perjatory.

Has made the team fun to watch.

Just signed a long term extension.

Like I said he IS the answer for the 9ers, get on the train or get left behind.

We haven't been fun to watch honestly.

Wow...fun to watch? Exciting maybe...but definately not fun for me...not the last two games anyway! Always enjoy the 9ers but watching the offense this year has been painful.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Cracks me up that peeps are just all over Kap as if he's the issue. LOL.

He gets sacked 8 times yet still posts a QB rating of 97.7 and almost pulled out the win yet somehow and HE's the problem. Yup...not a great throw to Crab. Also not good blocking the 8 times he was sacked and the numerous others he was pressured.

It's so LAZY to put all the blame on the QB. He's an easy scapegoat. It's just that simple.

Really makes me sick of this place sometimes.

Thank you! You're so right. Lazy thinking, jumping to conclusions, confirmation bias, social bias, underestimating the complexity of the game and the situation - it's all on display.

Right.

Its like every other position group or player is allowed to make mistakes...but if your the QB if every single throw isn't perfect you SUCK. YOU are the problem. Lazy, ludicrous thinking.

"He fumbled twice...good QBs don't do that". BS. QBs who get blindsided after the LT barely blocks his man and Centers who can't get the ball to the QB make mistakes too. Not on this forum tho...its Kaps fault he was blindsided and got a bad snap.

He fallible, just like every other player in the league, yet he's held to an ridiculously impossible standard that's employed by lazy fans and media looking for a good scapegoat for a story or for a guy to say "HIM!! HE'S THE SOURCE OF ALL OUR PROBLEMS".

Really disappointing.

If this team let Kap walk they'd regret it for a long, long, LONG time.

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Right.

Its like every other position group or player is allowed to make mistakes...but if your the QB if every single throw isn't perfect you SUCK. YOU are the problem. Lazy, ludicrous thinking.

"He fumbled twice...good QBs don't do that". BS. QBs who get blindsided after the LT barely blocks his man and Centers who can't get the ball to the QB make mistakes too. Not on this forum tho...its Kaps fault he was blindsided and got a bad snap.

He fallible, just like every other player in the league, yet he's helkp to an ridiculously impossible standard that's employed by lazy fans and media looking for a good scapegoat for a story or for a guy to say "HIM!! HE'S THE SOURCE OF ALL OUR PROBLEMS".

Really disappointing.

It's not the first or even the second time I've seen it as a general Niner fan attitude. In the 90's, it was all Young's fault. The great Cowboys and Packers teams had nothing to do with anything. The lack of a running game had nothing to do with it. In the early '00s, it was all Smith's fault - the horrible coaching and the horrible offensive line were simply things he had to overcome and couldn't. It's all so simple when you boil it down to the QB and only the QB.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by 49ERFANb4Uwas:
Has anyone commented yet on Kaepernick's flawed mechanics. When he throws, he doesn't looked polished at all

His delivery has been discussed repeatedly. He has a baseball pitcher's delivery, much like John Elway had. And regardless of how he looks to you or anyone else, he's currently rated very high in accuracy and he has one of the strongest arms in the league. Harbaugh has said in interviews that he doesn't like to mess with a QB's delivery if that player is comfortable with the way he throws.

Cracks me up that peeps are just all over Kap as if he's the issue. LOL.

He gets sacked 8 times yet still posts a QB rating of 97.7 and almost pulled out the win somehow and HE's the problem. Yup...not a great throw to Crab. Also not good blocking the 8 times he was sacked and the numerous others he was pressured.

Really makes me sick of this place sometimes.

Hes definitely not THE problem. But he is the face of the offense. He is captain of the ship. Right or wrong, the blame falls on his shoulders for how the offense performs on sunday.

BS.

That's the way the lazy media and fans think. This is a forum where we go into detail and not go the route of a lazy media looking for an easy scapegoat.

Lazy thinking is expected, but that doesn't mean there is any reality to it.

I dont think its BS in the slightest. I think perception IS reality. Right now the perception is that he is the captain of a sinking ship.

Personally i like Kap a lot, he seems like a good kid, and seems like he is misunderstood by a lot of people. but as i have mentioned in other threads, im not seeing the leadership quality you see from most successful QB's in this league. Success being measured by championships and longevity of offensive success.

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Right.

Its like every other position group or player is allowed to make mistakes...but if your the QB if every single throw isn't perfect you SUCK. YOU are the problem. Lazy, ludicrous thinking.

"He fumbled twice...good QBs don't do that". BS. QBs who get blindsided after the LT barely blocks his man and Centers who can't get the ball to the QB make mistakes too. Not on this forum tho...its Kaps fault he was blindsided and got a bad snap.

He fallible, just like every other player in the league, yet he's helkp to an ridiculously impossible standard that's employed by lazy fans and media looking for a good scapegoat for a story or for a guy to say "HIM!! HE'S THE SOURCE OF ALL OUR PROBLEMS".

Really disappointing.

It's not the first or even the second time I've seen it as a general Niner fan attitude. In the 90's, it was all Young's fault. The great Cowboys and Packers teams had nothing to do with anything. The lack of a running game had nothing to do with it. In the early '00s, it was all Smith's fault - the horrible coaching and the horrible offensive line were simply things he had to overcome and couldn't. It's all so simple when you boil it down to the QB and only the QB.

Precisely

Media: "49ers will never win a Championship with Steve Young at QB. He's more RB than QB".

Sound familiar?

Originally posted by Injuredlife:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Right.

Its like every other position group or player is allowed to make mistakes...but if your the QB if every single throw isn't perfect you SUCK. YOU are the problem. Lazy, ludicrous thinking.

"He fumbled twice...good QBs don't do that". BS. QBs who get blindsided after the LT barely blocks his man and Centers who can't get the ball to the QB make mistakes too. Not on this forum tho...its Kaps fault he was blindsided and got a bad snap.

He fallible, just like every other player in the league, yet he's held to an ridiculously impossible standard that's employed by lazy fans and media looking for a good scapegoat for a story or for a guy to say "HIM!! HE'S THE SOURCE OF ALL OUR PROBLEMS".

Really disappointing.

If this team let Kap walk they'd regret it for a long, long, LONG time.

He handles every single snap and dictates when and where the ball will go. Which is beyond the fact he is one of the highest paid players on the team.

I would not fear facing Kaepernick. Fairly certain our Defense would be able to send pressure in his face and force a few turnovers.

You would be different than every Defensive Coordinator in the NFL. If you didn't fear him you'd also be quickly unemployed.

What does his paycheck have to do with anything? He makes what QBs make. He handles every snap? So? You are lacking a point there.

He doesn't snap the ball. He doesn't block. He doesn't catch the ball. He doesn't call the play. Football is a TEAM game and ALL the parts need to do their job regardless who gets paid what. If you really think Kap is the source of the Niners problems then you don't have the first clue what you're watching.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Cracks me up that peeps are just all over Kap as if he's the issue. LOL.

He gets sacked 8 times yet still posts a QB rating of 97.7 and almost pulled out the win yet somehow and HE's the problem. Yup...not a great throw to Crab. Also not good blocking the 8 times he was sacked and the numerous others he was pressured.

It's so LAZY to put all the blame on the QB. He's an easy scapegoat. It's just that simple.

Really makes me sick of this place sometimes.

Thank you! You're so right. Lazy thinking, jumping to conclusions, confirmation bias, social bias, underestimating the complexity of the game and the situation - it's all on display.

Right.

Its like every other position group or player is allowed to make mistakes...but if your the QB if every single throw isn't perfect you SUCK. YOU are the problem. Lazy, ludicrous thinking.

"He fumbled twice...good QBs don't do that". BS. QBs who get blindsided after the LT barely blocks his man and Centers who can't get the ball to the QB make mistakes too. Not on this forum tho...its Kaps fault he was blindsided and got a bad snap.

He fallible, just like every other player in the league, yet he's held to an ridiculously impossible standard that's employed by lazy fans and media looking for a good scapegoat for a story or for a guy to say "HIM!! HE'S THE SOURCE OF ALL OUR PROBLEMS".

Really disappointing.

If this team let Kap walk they'd regret it for a long, long, LONG time.

Well in some of those folks defense you cannot blame all 8 sacks on the line. They were bad but Kap also needs to read the blitz and make the quick decision. When a team brings more rushers than you can block and that happened on several occasions the Qb must get rid of the ball either on a good throw away or a hot read receiver. Kap did neither of those things. Marvin watch the film on Luck from monday he beat the blitzes several time as he was getting killed and also had a couple of nice throw aways to save getting a sack. Now if we don't teach Kap to find the hot read or throw it away then that is on the coaches. We are paying him as an elite QB but at this point he is decent starting QB.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by 49ERFANb4Uwas:
Has anyone commented yet on Kaepernick's flawed mechanics. When he throws, he doesn't looked polished at all

His delivery has been discussed repeatedly. He has a baseball pitcher's delivery, much like John Elway had. And regardless of how he looks to you or anyone else, he's currently rated very high in accuracy and he has one of the strongest arms in the league. Harbaugh has said in interviews that he doesn't like to mess with a QB's delivery if that player is comfortable with the way he throws.

Cracks me up that peeps are just all over Kap as if he's the issue. LOL.

He gets sacked 8 times yet still posts a QB rating of 97.7 and almost pulled out the win somehow and HE's the problem. Yup...not a great throw to Crab. Also not good blocking the 8 times he was sacked and the numerous others he was pressured.

Really makes me sick of this place sometimes.

Hes definitely not THE problem. But he is the face of the offense. He is captain of the ship. Right or wrong, the blame falls on his shoulders for how the offense performs on sunday.

BS.

That's the way the lazy media and fans think. This is a forum where we go into detail and not go the route of a lazy media looking for an easy scapegoat.

Lazy thinking is expected, but that doesn't mean there is any reality to it.

I dont think its BS in the slightest. I think perception IS reality. Right now the perception is that he is the captain of a sinking ship.

Personally i like Kap a lot, he seems like a good kid, and seems like he is misunderstood by a lot of people. but as i have mentioned in other threads, im not seeing the leadership quality you see from most successful QB's in this league. Success being measured by championships and longevity of offensive success.

Dude.

...and I'm not attacking you on this...but those clichés are exactly what I'm talking about. They are just lazy attempts to make complicated situations less complicated. That's the kinda stuff people who don't really want to take a look at issues say. Its the "convenient truth" that really has no basis in reality.

"Perception is reality". I hate that cliché. No its not. Perception is perception. Reality is reality.

Originally posted by Injuredlife:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Precisely

Media: "49ers will never win a Championship with Steve Young at QB. He's more RB than QB".

Sound familiar?

Steve Young led the NFL in Passer Rating his [b]1st Season as a starter[/b]

1) I'm assuming you mean starter IN SF
2) It was his EIGHTH season in the league
3) Neither has any bearing on the fact that people STILL said the Niners would never win a Championship with Young...and that was after being in the NFC Championship game. Twice.

Originally posted by leakyfausett:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Cracks me up that peeps are just all over Kap as if he's the issue. LOL.

He gets sacked 8 times yet still posts a QB rating of 97.7 and almost pulled out the win yet somehow and HE's the problem. Yup...not a great throw to Crab. Also not good blocking the 8 times he was sacked and the numerous others he was pressured.

It's so LAZY to put all the blame on the QB. He's an easy scapegoat. It's just that simple.

Really makes me sick of this place sometimes.

Thank you! You're so right. Lazy thinking, jumping to conclusions, confirmation bias, social bias, underestimating the complexity of the game and the situation - it's all on display.

Right.

Its like every other position group or player is allowed to make mistakes...but if your the QB if every single throw isn't perfect you SUCK. YOU are the problem. Lazy, ludicrous thinking.

"He fumbled twice...good QBs don't do that". BS. QBs who get blindsided after the LT barely blocks his man and Centers who can't get the ball to the QB make mistakes too. Not on this forum tho...its Kaps fault he was blindsided and got a bad snap.

He fallible, just like every other player in the league, yet he's held to an ridiculously impossible standard that's employed by lazy fans and media looking for a good scapegoat for a story or for a guy to say "HIM!! HE'S THE SOURCE OF ALL OUR PROBLEMS".

Really disappointing.

If this team let Kap walk they'd regret it for a long, long, LONG time.

Well in some of those folks defense you cannot blame all 8 sacks on the line. They were bad but Kap also needs to read the blitz and make the quick decision. When a team brings more rushers than you can block and that happened on several occasions the Qb must get rid of the ball either on a good throw away or a hot read receiver. Kap did neither of those things. Marvin watch the film on Luck from monday he beat the blitzes several time as he was getting killed and also had a couple of nice throw aways to save getting a sack. Now if we don't teach Kap to find the hot read or throw it away then that is on the coaches. We are paying him as an elite QB but at this point he is decent starting QB.

Pretty hard to do when you get inside pressure so you can't escape. You can run outside the pocket to try and throw it away, but if you can't escape its Intentional Grounding.

I will also add, for all the hoopla about simplification, lazy thinking, etc. it sure is easy to simplify 8 sacks by placing the blame entirely on the offensive line. Yes they were horrible, but some of those sacks could have been avoided. Ill also add, that looking at some of the mistakes on the exchange from center to QB, those issues i would not place entirely on our new center either.

Point being, yes the offense stinks as a whole right now, but Kap is the QB. The QB will always catch the heat. It has been that way forever, and will continue to be that way forever.

Originally posted by Injuredlife:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
You would be different than every Defensive Coordinator in the NFL. If you didn't fear him you'd also be quickly unemployed.

What does his paycheck have to do with anything? He makes what QBs make. He handles every snap? So? You are lacking a point there.

He doesn't snap the ball. He doesn't block. He doesn't catch the ball. He doesn't call the play. Football is a TEAM game and ALL the parts need to do their job regardless who gets paid what. If you really think Kap is the source of the Niners problems then you don't have the first clue what you're watching.

Our Defense humiliates QBs like Kaepernick. What does $120 Million Dollar have to do with his responsibilities?

Players that snap the ball, block, catch aren't paid $120 Million. If Kaepernick wants to do those things instead of being Quarterback then go right ahead under a different salary.

There are issues on this Offense and they start firmly with the guy who handles each snap and dictates when and where the ball will go. I don't blame a Right Fielder for a Pitcher hanging curveballs.

Dude. I'm done with ya. HE MAKES WHAT QBS MAKE. Period. This is a TEAM SPORT.

Your comparison is laughable.

Football and Baseball are completely different sports.

If the Pitcher makes 100 mil and the right fielder make 100K and drops the ball 8 times, is it the pitchers fault. Come on now.

The size of your paycheck doesn't dictate your responsibility to play all the other positions. To suggest so is ridiculous and why I am increasingly tired of the banter in this forum.

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

Originally posted by crake49:

Originally posted by Marvin49:
Cracks me up that peeps are just all over Kap as if he's the issue. LOL.

He gets sacked 8 times yet still posts a QB rating of 97.7 and almost pulled out the win yet somehow and HE's the problem. Yup...not a great throw to Crab. Also not good blocking the 8 times he was sacked and the numerous others he was pressured.

It's so LAZY to put all the blame on the QB. He's an easy scapegoat. It's just that simple.

Really makes me sick of this place sometimes.

Thank you! You're so right. Lazy thinking, jumping to conclusions, confirmation bias, social bias, underestimating the complexity of the game and the situation - it's all on display.

Right.

Its like every other position group or player is allowed to make mistakes...but if your the QB if every single throw isn't perfect you SUCK. YOU are the problem. Lazy, ludicrous thinking.

"He fumbled twice...good QBs don't do that". BS. QBs who get blindsided after the LT barely blocks his man and Centers who can't get the ball to the QB make mistakes too. Not on this forum tho...its Kaps fault he was blindsided and got a bad snap.

He fallible, just like every other player in the league, yet he's held to an ridiculously impossible standard that's employed by lazy fans and media looking for a good scapegoat for a story or for a guy to say "HIM!! HE'S THE SOURCE OF ALL OUR PROBLEMS".

Really disappointing.

If this team let Kap walk they'd regret it for a long, long, LONG time.

Well in some of those folks defense you cannot blame all 8 sacks on the line. They were bad but Kap also needs to read the blitz and make the quick decision. When a team brings more rushers than you can block and that happened on several occasions the Qb must get rid of the ball either on a good throw away or a hot read receiver. Kap did neither of those things. Marvin watch the film on Luck from monday he beat the blitzes several time as he was getting killed and also had a couple of nice throw aways to save getting a sack. Now if we don't teach Kap to find the hot read or throw it away then that is on the coaches. We are paying him as an elite QB but at this point he is decent starting QB.

Pretty hard to do when you get inside pressure so you can't escape. You can run outside the pocket to try and throw it away, but if you can't escape its Intentional Grounding.

That is what they were doing to Luck on one play in the 3rd Qt i believe he took a shot gun snap the Giants brought the house and Luck to one extra step back and hit his hot read for a touchdown as he got drilled he also threw it away on an exact same kind of play to help avoid a sack. Both time no where to run out and no way to step up. This is the part that Kap is not doing. I am not sure if it is scheme or he doesn't read blitz and know what to do. If I was a Defensive Cord. I would Blitz Kap a lot.

In 2013, Kaepernick lost 83 passing yards to penalties, which was 25 most in the league.

Kaepernick had a total of 3,197 passing yards.

The yards lost equaled 2.60% of his passing yards.

This year, after 8 games, the numbers are:




from sporting charts.com

Air yards is defined as the total distance that a football is thrown beyond the line of scrimmage to the point of reception.

Here are the "air yards" per pass attempt.