We got robbed tonight, and here is why.

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by LanceQ:

Originally posted by Hopper:

+1 This game is on Harbaugh and Roman.

Well these bonehead losses on Harbaugh and Roman are adding up. We lost to YET another depleted team. The Bears and now the Rams. The Cards was a bad loss too. We have not looked good so far this season.

Dude, Kap lost us that Bears game and had his fingerprints all over this loss. And here's where you deny it and call me stupid and a Kap hater and point out the obvious that the O-line didn't play well whilst completely ignoring Kaepernicks s**tty play. And why do I have to continually point out that Kaepernick is a part of the reason why our offense isnt working? Because people continually deny it. Over and over and over, which make's it REAL easy to call me a "Kap hater".

People still don't understand that just because u call out a player on the team don't make you a team guy. What u should be saying if you protect one guy constantly through all the BS then your about one guy and not the team. All these blind kap supporters lose sight of the team for kap

We can make excuses but the reality is that we can't punch it in when we need to. No killer instinct is our problem

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Completely agree with everything in this post. Regarding the last point, there is so much money, technology, and infrastructure invested in the NFL...there is no excuse for not having a camera at each pylon AND a sky cam above the goal line at all times. There should be no doubt whatsoever.

Either that, or use electronic sensors to detect when any part of the ball crosses the goal line. The game is already f**ked up by technology; no reason to stop with a s**tty system when something so simple could easily be implemented.

an electronic sensor would only tell you that the ball crossed, not if kap had control of it before or after

dp

Originally posted by LanceQ:

Originally posted by susweel:
That's what happens when you leave in the officials hand. Leave no doubt and get the s**t. We got what we deserved

YEP!!!! As it was mentioned a few weeks back. We have no killer instinct. For years we have played for Field goals, barely getting the snap before the play clock expires ( Someone has to explain that one to me, I just don't understand ). We are performing very poorly this season. Even the games we won weren't all that impressive.

I'm tiered of it. Too much talent on this offense and too many guys getting paid for them to play this bad. And again they hold Stevie out till the second half, and didn't even really utilize Lloyd. And Crabtree is dropping passes, and Kap is making bad throws, almost 2 ints and underthrows/overthrows when he had time, and the O-line is porous. And VD is non existent. And Roman is calling suspect plays in the redzone. Our season is toast, and I thought if this would happen that it would have been on the defense early in the season whilst everyone was injured but Noooo, the offense had to s**t the bed.

What do you think will happen when we dont make the playoffs? Jim may be in trouble. Roman should definitely go. We may need to draft both o-line and a back-up QB early. If we can hold onto this defense and hold onto a couple good offensive players we can fix this for next season. I'd think about trading Davis and let Crabtree walk. I'd bring in a young QB and a vet to light a fire under Kaps ass. I'd dump Roman and draft an O-lineman and bring in any FA OL we can get. Just thold onto Vic and this D.

Our OL sucks because certain people held out when you supposed to be coming together as a team. Then they get rewarded for it.

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by LanceQ:

Originally posted by Hopper:
+1 This game is on Harbaugh and Roman.

Well these bonehead losses on Harbaugh and Roman are adding up. We lost to YET another depleted team. The Bears and now the Rams. The Cards was a bad loss too. We have not looked good so far this season.

Dude, Kap lost us that Bears game and had his fingerprints all over this loss. And here's where you deny it and call me stupid and a Kap hater and point out the obvious that the O-line didn't play well whilst completely ignoring Kaepernicks s**tty play. And why do I have to continually point out that Kaepernick is a part of the reason why our offense isnt working? Because people continually deny it. Over and over and over, which make's it REAL easy to call me a "Kap hater".

Originally posted by Phil:
Dude, Kap lost us that Bears game and had his fingerprints all over this loss. And here's where you deny it and call me stupid and a Kap hater and point out the obvious that the O-line didn't play well whilst completely ignoring Kaepernicks s**tty play. And why do I have to continually point out that Kaepernick is a part of the reason why our offense isnt working? Because people continually deny it. Over and over and over, which make's it REAL easy to call me a "Kap hater".

Hey Phil, no you're not a Kap hater, honestly you are speaking some truth here. I'm starting to think that Kap is becoming a turnover machine. Not quite as bad as JT O'sullivan (remember that guy?) I've been pulling for Kap, and I still do, but I can't deny his performance on the field has been bad. At the same time though, I think coaching has been very poor too.

Originally posted by Phil:

Originally posted by LanceQ:

Originally posted by Hopper:
+1 This game is on Harbaugh and Roman.

Well these bonehead losses on Harbaugh and Roman are adding up. We lost to YET another depleted team. The Bears and now the Rams. The Cards was a bad loss too. We have not looked good so far this season.

Dude, Kap lost us that Bears game and had his fingerprints all over this loss. And here's where you deny it and call me stupid and a Kap hater and point out the obvious that the O-line didn't play well whilst completely ignoring Kaepernicks s**tty play. And why do I have to continually point out that Kaepernick is a part of the reason why our offense isnt working? Because people continually deny it. Over and over and over, which make's it REAL easy to call me a "Kap hater".

Originally posted by Phil:
Dude, Kap lost us that Bears game and had his fingerprints all over this loss. And here's where you deny it and call me stupid and a Kap hater and point out the obvious that the O-line didn't play well whilst completely ignoring Kaepernicks s**tty play. And why do I have to continually point out that Kaepernick is a part of the reason why our offense isnt working? Because people continually deny it. Over and over and over, which make's it REAL easy to call me a "Kap hater".

Hey Phil, no you're not a Kap hater, honestly you are speaking some truth here. I'm starting to think that Kap is becoming a turnover machine. Not quite as bad as JT O'sullivan (remember that guy?) I've been pulling for Kap, and I still do, but I can't deny his performance on the field has been bad. At the same time though, I think coaching has been very poor too.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by VinculumJuris:

Completely agree with everything in this post. Regarding the last point, there is so much money, technology, and infrastructure invested in the NFL...there is no excuse for not having a camera at each pylon AND a sky cam above the goal line at all times. There should be no doubt whatsoever.

Either that, or use electronic sensors to detect when any part of the ball crosses the goal line. The game is already f**ked up by technology; no reason to stop with a s**tty system when something so simple could easily be implemented.

an electronic sensor would only tell you that the ball crossed, not if kap had control of it before or after

It would tell you when Tavon Austin brought the ball back across the goal line for what should have been a safety. I'm talking about more than just the Kap play.

Originally posted by linkboy:
On the Crabtree play, you need to complete the process of the catch for it to stand, anyone remember the Calvin Johnson rule.

At that point, Michael's momentum is bringing him out of the endzone and he doesn't fully complete the catch until he's out of endzone.

What the refs, in typical jerome booger fashion, screwed up was the time. They ruled him out of bounds, but kept the clock as if he stayed in.

I understand the Calvin Johnson rule, but I struggle with the completion of the catch process constantly. My understanding is that a catch in the back of the endzone starts when contact is made with the ball. The player is ruled in the endzone with the ball breaking the plane of the goal line and he must keep possession throughout the catch, even if his momentum takes him to the ground out of bounds. Why is this different with a player making initial contact and possession of the ball in the endzone but winds up in the field of play to complete the catch? Had Crabtree have made this same catch, but going laterally on the field carrying himself out of bounds this is a TD.

The only case where this wouldn't be a TD is if Crabtree had established possession outside of the endzone and in the field of play, but I think video evidence pretty clearly disputes that case. Maybe I'm just thinking too hard about this lol, but it seems like a TD to me.

Originally posted by THEB:

Explain why then? Knee down in the endzone with the ball over the line is a touchdown in ever NFL game ive ever watched.

Because it's not a completed catch until the receiver fully completes the process of the catch, which Crabtree hasn't done at this point in time.

The key is that he's going to the ground of his own accord without any assistance from the defender.

The other issue is that his momentum carries him out of the endzone.

It's no different then if a player jumps from inside the endzone, catches the ball in the air over the endzone, but lands at the one yard line.

The entire offensive coaching staff needs to find new jobs. It's hard for me to say we need to get rid of Harbaugh because I don't know how much he is to blame. But I know Roman needs to be fired definitely. Our offense has regressed for 3 straight years and we have more talent than ever. We need an NFL offense and Roman would make a good college HC, but he aint ready for the NFL. He's been figured out and can't adjust.

Somebody said it but this is 2003 all over again. Season is done but we'll play well enough down to stretch to give us false hopes for next year.

Originally posted by linkboy:

On the Crabtree play, you need to complete the process of the catch for it to stand, anyone remember the Calvin Johnson rule.

At that point, Michael's momentum is bringing him out of the endzone and he doesn't fully complete the catch until he's out of endzone.

What the refs, in typical jerome booger fashion, screwed up was the time. They ruled him out of bounds, but kept the clock as if he stayed in.

Your wrong, his momentum doesn't mean s**t. On TDs, the ball just has to break the plain. Once it does that it's a TD, as long as you maintain possession throughout the catch. Which they say he did.

But yes idk why they ruled him out of bounds and left the clock running

Originally posted by JoeBart324:
I understand the Calvin Johnson rule, but I struggle with the completion of the catch process constantly. My understanding is that a catch in the back of the endzone starts when contact is made with the ball. The player is ruled in the endzone with the ball breaking the plane of the goal line and he must keep possession throughout the catch, even if his momentum takes him to the ground out of bounds. Why is this different with a player making initial contact and possession of the ball in the endzone but winds up in the field of play to complete the catch? Had Crabtree have made this same catch, but going laterally on the field carrying himself out of bounds this is a TD.

The only case where this wouldn't be a TD is if Crabtree had established possession outside of the endzone and in the field of play, but I think video evidence pretty clearly disputes that case. Maybe I'm just thinking too hard about this lol, but it seems like a TD to me.

No, you are 100% correct. A catch initiated in the endzone requires control and 2 feet or a knee down. We know he acquired control because the ruling after review was a completed catch. We know he has a knee down in the endzone because the picture floating around.

Originally posted by linkboy:
Because it's not a completed catch until the receiver fully completes the process of the catch, which Crabtree hasn't done at this point in time.

The key is that he's going to the ground of his own accord without any assistance from the defender.

The other issue is that his momentum carries him out of the endzone.

It's no different then if a player jumps from inside the endzone, catches the ball in the air over the endzone, but lands at the one yard line.

I'd be ok with this point if Crabtree has actually established possession outside the endzone. But his knee is down with the ball clearly cradled in his arm. The ball is inside the plane of the endzone. After this happens his momentum carries him out of the endzone. If Crabtree had done this same catch, but going out the back of the endzone it is ruled a TD. Knee down in the endzone, completes the catch. Why is this situation any different?