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Hopefully this ram game represents the start of a stretch like steve had post Philly game in 1994 (70% 3200 yards 39 tds 5 ints 124 qb rating in 14 games including playoffs of 1994). Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Originally posted by thl408:
Gotta give a little love to TJE for really finishing this play. Not that I think ADavis could have stopped Johnson from scoring, but it's nice to see that TJE's motor was still going strong this late in the game.
Originally posted by RedAlice:
Ok, I actually made it through a good portion of this thread. Interesting perspective on the game.
And, I wish Rams had fans who did this.
Originally posted by Niners816:Johnny, it's funny you referenced the 1994 squad in your intial post. The 1994 team also had to erase a 14 point hole in its sixth game vs a dome team
Thinking about it, how crazy are Those's numbers kap had an outstanding game Monday that was a 120 qb rating. Steve did that for a 14 game stretch.
Originally posted by crake49:Originally posted by RedAlice:Ok, I actually made it through a good portion of this thread. Interesting perspective on the game.
And, I wish Rams had fans who did this.
Pretty amazing, isn't it. I've been watching the game for 50 years and I feel like this is a clinic where I learn something new every week. I think we've got some pretty serious coaches and analysts around here and I love it.
That's why so many good QB's come from the Bay area.
Originally posted by 9moon:
As for the post regarding Kaep's big run, on the 3rd photo, Kaep needs to be thought that he's getting paid to pass the ball.. He coulda hit Boldin easily on that out pattern...
tho had a grreat run, I think that it would still be best to point out this play to him and let him know that the PASS was there.. Boldin was open.. and not every team in the NFL would give him this running lane..
Originally posted by Giedi:I think The reason for his astoundingly high QB rating is that teams can't do the usual defensive things against a mobile QB. I.e. stunts and dogs, if you don't contain steve he'll run for a 50 yard TD. Go man to man, he'll scramble break contain and gash the defense with his legs.
The potential is there for Colin to do the same thing. I think where Seifert went wrong was simply his inability to draft pass rushers. Fred Dean single handedly made the defense top 3 in the league. The year before, in 1980, they were pretty much dead last. When Seifert got rid of Haley, he effectively lost 3 superbowls with that move.
Serioulsy, Lott Wright and Williamson were *rookies*.Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:Originally posted by Giedi:I think The reason for his astoundingly high QB rating is that teams can't do the usual defensive things against a mobile QB. I.e. stunts and dogs, if you don't contain steve he'll run for a 50 yard TD. Go man to man, he'll scramble break contain and gash the defense with his legs.
The potential is there for Colin to do the same thing. I think where Seifert went wrong was simply his inability to draft pass rushers. Fred Dean single handedly made the defense top 3 in the league. The year before, in 1980, they were pretty much dead last. When Seifert got rid of Haley, he effectively lost 3 superbowls with that move.
No dude this is misinformation. Lott williamson Wright.
Seriously.
Originally posted by dj43:
In the OP the idea of offensive leadership is mentioned. (sorry to be so late coming to this thread but this week has been crazy busy) I too see this but I think it is something that is still in the developmental stage. Normally you would expect the QB to be that leader, and CK may in fact turn out to be that leader. So far I don't think he is that leader. QBs carry the biggest burden and have the biggest influence so they naturally tend to be the leader, although that is not always the case.
In the current case, I believe there are multiple factors for the lack of leadership, beginning with what I will call the "Steve Young Effect." Young was following the very successful and popular Joe Montana and the team did not accept him fully although they gave him lip service. Kaepernick is following a popular guy in Alex Smith. All the team recognized how much Smith had overcome in order to succeed and they appreciated and recognized it. Smith clearly did have that mantle when he was concussed. Then along come Kaepernick who has clearly been a work in progress - making some great plays and some great WTFs, often in equal numbers. As a result, it is natural that he would not have that leadership role. Others, like Vernon and Gore led by example but were not the real leaders that set the tone.
This Ram game, though admittedly against a relatively weak team, may have been the beginning of CK setting that tone. The Rams chose to take away the run game and challenged Kaepernick to beat them with his arm. That was a legitimate decision on the part of the Rams as Kaepernick had not had any consistent glowing success in throwing the ball. In this game, he did have that success and the Rams were toast. Yes, the final result was not as clear cut as it should have been but that was not Kaepernick's fault. He did some things very well that he had not being doing so well in the past. If he can perform at a similar level against the Broncos he just may assume that offensive leader role this team needs.
Leadership is critical in any team or organization. You can have a fine group of soldiers but you have to have a good general to survive the tough times. It is natural to have the QB earn that role. Guys like Staley can be great lieutenants in support but if Kaepernick can earn that title, this offense can finally begin to run at a consistent high level.
Just my thoughts...
Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by VinculumJuris:Originally posted by thl408:
Gotta give a little love to TJE for really finishing this play. Not that I think ADavis could have stopped Johnson from scoring, but it's nice to see that TJE's motor was still going strong this late in the game.
That play was more of terrible recognition and delayed throw by Austin Davis. He stares at the slot running the out, realizes Cox has the out covered, then Austin rolls to the right a little and throws the underneath too late.
If he read Cox properly, he would have had time to make the underneath throw.
Johnson, I think back peddled too far and could have been called for illegal contact. He should have stayed 5 yards away for the redirection and it would have put him in better position to stop the underneath if Austin Davis read it properly.
Either way, Austin made the incorrect read, threw it late which made Johnson able to jump it.
Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Originally posted by VinculumJuris:
Originally posted by thl408:
Gotta give a little love to TJE for really finishing this play. Not that I think ADavis could have stopped Johnson from scoring, but it's nice to see that TJE's motor was still going strong this late in the game.
That play was more of terrible recognition and delayed throw by Austin Davis. He stares at the slot running the out, realizes Cox has the out covered, then Austin rolls to the right a little and throws the underneath too late.
If he read Cox properly, he would have had time to make the underneath throw.
Johnson, I think back peddled too far and could have been called for illegal contact. He should have stayed 5 yards away for the redirection and it would have put him in better position to stop the underneath if Austin Davis read it properly.
Either way, Austin made the incorrect read, threw it late which made Johnson able to jump it.
Didn't say anything about TJE causing the bad throw...not sure what you're responding to. But thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
Originally posted by Giedi:
I think The reason for his astoundingly high QB rating is that teams can't do the usual defensive things against a mobile QB. I.e. stunts and dogs, if you don't contain steve he'll run for a 50 yard TD. Go man to man, he'll scramble break contain and gash the defense with his legs.
The potential is there for Colin to do the same thing. I think where Seifert went wrong was simply his inability to draft pass rushers. Fred Dean single handedly made the defense top 3 in the league. The year before, in 1980, they were pretty much dead last. When Seifert got rid of Haley, he effectively lost 3 superbowls with that move.
No dude this is misinformation. Lott williamson Wright.
Seriously.
Originally posted by crake49:Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:Originally posted by Giedi:I think The reason for his astoundingly high QB rating is that teams can't do the usual defensive things against a mobile QB. I.e. stunts and dogs, if you don't contain steve he'll run for a 50 yard TD. Go man to man, he'll scramble break contain and gash the defense with his legs.
The potential is there for Colin to do the same thing. I think where Seifert went wrong was simply his inability to draft pass rushers. Fred Dean single handedly made the defense top 3 in the league. The year before, in 1980, they were pretty much dead last. When Seifert got rid of Haley, he effectively lost 3 superbowls with that move.
No dude this is misinformation. Lott williamson Wright.
Seriously.
The Niners defense was #3 in the league against the pass that year, but they were #13 in sacks with 36 which was a little under the league average. (according to Pro Football Reference). What I take from that supports BrodieBlueBanasak - Fred Dean was an important added ingredient to that defense, but the biggest deal was that secondary.
