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Originally posted by thl408:
Here's the Crabs TD catch using the 'Dino' route described as a post-corner-post triple move.

STL: cover 0


Kap drops back and confirms no deep safety. Crabs makes his first move - a cut to the post (slant since it's still short range). The CB is comfortable with Crabs breaking to the slant because he knows he has help underneath with his team mate playing the passing lane to the slant. The CB remains over the top with outside leverage.


Crabs breaks towards the Corner. This pushes the CB outwards, towards the sideline. STL rushes 6.


With the CB leaning towards the sidelines, Crabs breaks towards the inside on the Post.


With no deep safety, Kap can comfortably lead Crabs to the middle of the field.


32 yard TD.


Very nice blitz pickup. I rag on Boone a lot so I have to point out here that he somehow gets his man to the ground.



A thing of beauty My favorite throw of the night.
[ Edited by Niners816 on Oct 16, 2014 at 12:43 PM ]
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Originally posted by Niners816:
A thing of beauty My favorite throw of the night.

The only thing that was going to stop that play was bad blitz pickup. 49er Oline and both RBs came up big there. Hyde identified the late blitzer up the middle. Even had the alertness to pick up that blitzer, then pass him off to Miller so that Hyde can get the 7th guy coming. 7th guy never had a chance as Kap was already releasing the ball.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Niners816:
A thing of beauty My favorite throw of the night.

The only thing that was going to stop that play was bad blitz pickup. 49er Oline and both RBs came up big there. Hyde identified the late blitzer up the middle. Even had the alertness to pick up that blitzer, then pass him off to Miller so that Hyde can get the 7th guy coming. 7th guy never had a chance as Kap was already releasing the ball.

Hyde has demonstrated that he's not a liability in pass protection, hence why we use him on 3rd down and he looks to be the heir apparent.
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I just wanted to re-post this gif from the 'Runs from 11' posts. Boldin has done an excellent job at keeping his mouth closed after big catches ever since the personal foul for head butting. If this is how he takes out his aggression on CBs I can dig it. lol at #20 for getting rag dolled by a 34 year old.

Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by thl408:
No problem about more run game analysis. It's odd that on a night where Kap played so well, I was a little more interested in the run game. It's just that I don't think the 49ers had run the ball so often out of that personnel grouping before in any one game. Couple this with how they seemed to run quite a number of zone blocking plays versus KC and we might be seeing some sort of shift to more zone blocking runs. Not more as in the ratio of zone blocking plays compared to power blocking plays, but as in more zone blocking plays compared to the past.

I believe the Rams did make an emphasis of stopping the run game and forcing Kap to beat them, which many here have mentioned. I think there's execution as well as opponent's possibly being tipped off when the 49ers are about to run the ball. That's why the 11 personnel was so effective because any combination of three WRs that the 49ers can field demand respect as route runners. We don't need all22 view to see the run game so I am really interested in what others have to say as well.

As to Roman throwing away plays, that's a tough way to put it, but I think it's true. A running team has to continue to show it is willing to run in order for the opponent to continue thinking they have to devote attention towards stopping it. We all know the 49ers love using play action and that won't be as effective unless the 49ers show in every game that they are willing to pound the rock.

DO you think the diversity of our run game is occasionally a weakness? I wonder occasionally if the diversity of our ground game limits specific mastery. I don't see many teams run the power runs out of as many sets, AND the zone scheme in as many different ways, AND the Man/Iso scheme from multiple sets. Maybe the diversity results in too much hesitation?

WRATH, the point you bring up is a great one. The whole 'jack of all trades, master of none' idea applies not only in the run game, but in the entire offense imo. There is only a finite amount of practice time a team gets. So to your point, does it hinder them in being effective at any one thing? I would say yes. I think the diversity of the entire offense can be a weakness. The upside is if the 49ers can be good at multiple things (diversity in run game, diversity in passing game), defensive coordinators will need 36 hours in a day to prepare their defense.

Focusing on just the run game, I think asking the Olineman to change gears like this can definitely play a role in their effectiveness. They could be asked to fire upfield on one play (power block), take a zone step on the next (lateral step), then step back on the next (pass block). It's nothing an NFLer can't be asked to handle, but if repetition makes perfection, there simply isn't enough repetition to master all these different blocking schemes. So I do think there is validity to your point.

There is just SO much truth in this response!
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Niners816:
A thing of beauty My favorite throw of the night.

The only thing that was going to stop that play was bad blitz pickup. 49er Oline and both RBs came up big there. Hyde identified the late blitzer up the middle. Even had the alertness to pick up that blitzer, then pass him off to Miller so that Hyde can get the 7th guy coming. 7th guy never had a chance as Kap was already releasing the ball.

Does it look like the safety on the "Dino" side after buzzing the slant is spying kap in case he runs? If so this is another instance where the fear of kaps legs aides the tremendous blitz pick up and the double move was the perfect call.
Originally posted by thl408:
I just wanted to re-post this gif from the 'Runs from 11' posts. Boldin has done an excellent job at keeping his mouth closed after big catches ever since the personal foul for head butting. If this is how he takes out his aggression on CBs I can dig it. lol at #20 for getting rag dolled by a 34 year old.


I f*cking love boldin. Loved him since he was a quarterback recruit at FSU. I wanted him so badly in the 2003 draft. Better late than never
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by Niners816:
A thing of beauty My favorite throw of the night.

The only thing that was going to stop that play was bad blitz pickup. 49er Oline and both RBs came up big there. Hyde identified the late blitzer up the middle. Even had the alertness to pick up that blitzer, then pass him off to Miller so that Hyde can get the 7th guy coming. 7th guy never had a chance as Kap was already releasing the ball.

SO glad you brought this up b/c Hyde has been tremendous from day 1 on blitz pickup and you KNOW a big portion of that is coming from Gore. Hyde seems to enjoy it and take pride in it the same way Gore does. This can also be used as a weapon...if the backs continue to stay in and block, guess what happens when they chip block and then flare out?!
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Another fun film to watch - as we won

Several things stood out to me - CK played one of the best - if not the best game I've seen him play, as far as throw with anticipation, read of the defense, climb the pocket, and feeling the pressure.

His only terrible decision ended up not costing us at all because of a horse-collar penalty. Greg Williams and the Rams blitz more than any team in the league and we were able to identify the blitz, block well and gain over 340 yards through the air.

Part of that was -what I call, the Frank Gore affect. The Rams were run blitzing most of the time - so it was more about filling gaps than it was about trying to generate pressure - so their lanes weren't spread out like they would be in a pass blitz. However, there were several obvious passing situations where they blitzed and we still did a great job of pickup and execution. However - St. Louis is a historically bad pass rushing team right now - I think the worst in 40 years or something. 1 Sack through 6 weeks.

I have started to notice something else though - which came to mind after A.J. McCarron's recent comments regarding Alabama's recent offensive struggles.
It does seem that we have a lack of leadership on the offensive side of the ball - from the players.

It isn't any more evident than when you look at the defensive side of the ball. We've had injuries galore, a huge suspension, and a lot of turnover in the secondary. However, the defense has still maintained an elite level of play. When the defense plays poorly - it's always for a very short stretch. Then, they'll get things straightened out. What you see from film is - it's not so much about changing any calls or making a lot of adjustments from a coaching standpoint - it's like a switch flips and the players buckle down and execute their assignments better. I think leadership among the players has a lot to do with that. We have Patrick Willis on that side of the ball who has emerged as a leader the last 4-5 years. I don't think we have that on offense. When we have a negative play of any kind - it's almost a certainty that the drive will stall.

It reminds me a lot of the 94 niners. If you watch the "America's game" on that year, Steve Young talked a lot about how the players really didn't accept him as a leader until that year. It didn't matter how many things he could do and achieve on the field - they weren't fully bought into him as a leader until the Eagles game where he went off on George Seiffert.

But, back to the film. As usual - I'll start with the Positives and work to the negatives starting with Offense to defense.

Offense:

Positives: O-line protection was good for the most part - there were some pressures they gave up which led to incompletions, but, no sacks. Which is the first time that's happened in over 16 games with CK. Brandon Lloyd has been a huge boost for the offense. He's not a burner by any means, but, his ability to make the spectacular catch and his savvy as a route runner make up for a lot of that. It just goes to show, that speed isn't the most important part of being a deep threat. It's the ability to attack the defender in a way to open up your deep threat.

I mentioned it earlier, but, saw some great anticipation throws from CK that are real exciting to see. Also saw much better pocket awareness than before - which led to a couple really good conversions. It was great to see him climb the pocket and make some tough throws.

VD is gonna get an honorable mention in the positives but will also be covered in the negatives - his presence alone does make a big impact on the offense. There were several plays where the attention he gets opened other guys up.

I liked some of the creative things Roman did in the passing game to get favorable matchups and force the Ram's hand. It was more in how he used personnel in different formations. He'd come out in a 12 personnel sometimes and spread it all out, or in a 21 personnel and spread it out so that we'd get WR's matched up on LB's in zone coverage or LB's against RB's in pass coverage. He really went after the LB's a lot in this game.

Negatives:
It was a struggle to get the running game going after Iupati left. Looney got pushed around for a bit. He started to settle in a little better near the end - but, I didn't like his leverage for a while

Vance McDonald not only had the big fumble but, blew several key blocks in the run game. I haven't been all that impressed with him this year. I'm not sure what's keeping him ahead of Carrier in the depth chart - maybe it's the playbook as I know he tends to play a different position than TE - usually a "U" back position. Which has a lot more assignments that go along with it.

VD had a terrible game. Dropped several passes and also missed some key blocking assignments in the run game.

Defense:
Positives:
Even with all the injuries, the defense is playing well. They only gave up 3 points in the final 3 quarters. That's a win for any defense against any team. We were able to generate more pressure on the QB than we had all year. We didn't necessarily blitz more than normal - we put a lot of pressure on the RB's to stand up against LB's(inside and outside) often. Austin Davis did a good job against us early in the game - he stood tall against pressure and made some great throws, but, the pressure seemed to be cumulative. The later in the game it got, the worst he got as the pressure affected him more and more.

Vic Fangio continues to blow me away as a D-coordinator. I really do think he's the best D-coord in the league. We finished that game with only 3 starters from last years defense playing and we still did an outstanding job. He did a lot of things to create pressure. Sometimes it was with stunts, sometimes with blitzes and sometimes it was by a mixture of where the stunts were coming from and alignments. One way play in particular, he lined up 3 guys to the right side of the center and had Justin Smith alone on the left side. Because of the stunts - the LT didn't get any help from the LG. This put Justin Smith 1-1 with the LT who couldn't hold his ground against Smith's bullrush.

Our D-line continues to impress. They have an ability to stay engaged with the O-lineman through to the point where they should disengage and then are able to schuck these guys off and either make a play or turn the play back towards a LB.

Our coverage units also did a good job throughout the majority of the game - especially Perrish Cox. He had two bad plays from what I saw, but, one - he was in a really tough position, the other was negated because of offensive PI.

Negatives:
Not too many here - the injury to Willis will hurt though. Borland did an ok job, but he's not the physical presence Willis is at all. But, we can't expect him to be. Unfortunate that it comes the week we're going to play Peyton.

Chris Culliver was the biggest disappointment on defense. He played with poor technique a couple times and completely blew his assignment on a TD.

Other than that, not much else to say. As usual, breakdowns to follow.

I agree that Fangio's been insanely good, but the matter of how many starters are remaining from the end of last year can be a bit misleading (and it's actually 4. not 3: Smith, McDonald, Brooks, Reid - though maybe that was just a typo) because Bethea is just as good if not better than Whitner, Cully and Cox are just as good if not better than Rogers and Brown, and Williams is arguably playing as well as Dorsey.
Originally posted by thl408:
I just wanted to re-post this gif from the 'Runs from 11' posts. Boldin has done an excellent job at keeping his mouth closed after big catches ever since the personal foul for head butting. If this is how he takes out his aggression on CBs I can dig it. lol at #20 for getting rag dolled by a 34 year old.


LMAO! I absolutely LOVE his fight and attitude. He's a damn WR in TE's body with an OLB's mentality...seek and destroy!
Originally posted by jonnydel:
Another fun film to watch - as we won

Several things stood out to me - CK played one of the best - if not the best game I've seen him play, as far as throw with anticipation, read of the defense, climb the pocket, and feeling the pressure.

His only terrible decision ended up not costing us at all because of a horse-collar penalty. Greg Williams and the Rams blitz more than any team in the league and we were able to identify the blitz, block well and gain over 340 yards through the air.

Part of that was -what I call, the Frank Gore affect. The Rams were run blitzing most of the time - so it was more about filling gaps than it was about trying to generate pressure - so their lanes weren't spread out like they would be in a pass blitz. However, there were several obvious passing situations where they blitzed and we still did a great job of pickup and execution. However - St. Louis is a historically bad pass rushing team right now - I think the worst in 40 years or something. 1 Sack through 6 weeks.

I have started to notice something else though - which came to mind after A.J. McCarron's recent comments regarding Alabama's recent offensive struggles.
It does seem that we have a lack of leadership on the offensive side of the ball - from the players.

It isn't any more evident than when you look at the defensive side of the ball. We've had injuries galore, a huge suspension, and a lot of turnover in the secondary. However, the defense has still maintained an elite level of play. When the defense plays poorly - it's always for a very short stretch. Then, they'll get things straightened out. What you see from film is - it's not so much about changing any calls or making a lot of adjustments from a coaching standpoint - it's like a switch flips and the players buckle down and execute their assignments better. I think leadership among the players has a lot to do with that. We have Patrick Willis on that side of the ball who has emerged as a leader the last 4-5 years. I don't think we have that on offense. When we have a negative play of any kind - it's almost a certainty that the drive will stall.

It reminds me a lot of the 94 niners. If you watch the "America's game" on that year, Steve Young talked a lot about how the players really didn't accept him as a leader until that year. It didn't matter how many things he could do and achieve on the field - they weren't fully bought into him as a leader until the Eagles game where he went off on George Seiffert.

But, back to the film. As usual - I'll start with the Positives and work to the negatives starting with Offense to defense.

Offense:

Positives: O-line protection was good for the most part - there were some pressures they gave up which led to incompletions, but, no sacks. Which is the first time that's happened in over 16 games with CK. Brandon Lloyd has been a huge boost for the offense. He's not a burner by any means, but, his ability to make the spectacular catch and his savvy as a route runner make up for a lot of that. It just goes to show, that speed isn't the most important part of being a deep threat. It's the ability to attack the defender in a way to open up your deep threat.

I mentioned it earlier, but, saw some great anticipation throws from CK that are real exciting to see. Also saw much better pocket awareness than before - which led to a couple really good conversions. It was great to see him climb the pocket and make some tough throws.

VD is gonna get an honorable mention in the positives but will also be covered in the negatives - his presence alone does make a big impact on the offense. There were several plays where the attention he gets opened other guys up.

I liked some of the creative things Roman did in the passing game to get favorable matchups and force the Ram's hand. It was more in how he used personnel in different formations. He'd come out in a 12 personnel sometimes and spread it all out, or in a 21 personnel and spread it out so that we'd get WR's matched up on LB's in zone coverage or LB's against RB's in pass coverage. He really went after the LB's a lot in this game.

Negatives:
It was a struggle to get the running game going after Iupati left. Looney got pushed around for a bit. He started to settle in a little better near the end - but, I didn't like his leverage for a while

Vance McDonald not only had the big fumble but, blew several key blocks in the run game. I haven't been all that impressed with him this year. I'm not sure what's keeping him ahead of Carrier in the depth chart - maybe it's the playbook as I know he tends to play a different position than TE - usually a "U" back position. Which has a lot more assignments that go along with it.

VD had a terrible game. Dropped several passes and also missed some key blocking assignments in the run game.

Defense:
Positives:
Even with all the injuries, the defense is playing well. They only gave up 3 points in the final 3 quarters. That's a win for any defense against any team. We were able to generate more pressure on the QB than we had all year. We didn't necessarily blitz more than normal - we put a lot of pressure on the RB's to stand up against LB's(inside and outside) often. Austin Davis did a good job against us early in the game - he stood tall against pressure and made some great throws, but, the pressure seemed to be cumulative. The later in the game it got, the worst he got as the pressure affected him more and more.

Vic Fangio continues to blow me away as a D-coordinator. I really do think he's the best D-coord in the league. We finished that game with only 3 starters from last years defense playing and we still did an outstanding job. He did a lot of things to create pressure. Sometimes it was with stunts, sometimes with blitzes and sometimes it was by a mixture of where the stunts were coming from and alignments. One way play in particular, he lined up 3 guys to the right side of the center and had Justin Smith alone on the left side. Because of the stunts - the LT didn't get any help from the LG. This put Justin Smith 1-1 with the LT who couldn't hold his ground against Smith's bullrush.

Our D-line continues to impress. They have an ability to stay engaged with the O-lineman through to the point where they should disengage and then are able to schuck these guys off and either make a play or turn the play back towards a LB.

Our coverage units also did a good job throughout the majority of the game - especially Perrish Cox. He had two bad plays from what I saw, but, one - he was in a really tough position, the other was negated because of offensive PI.

Negatives:
Not too many here - the injury to Willis will hurt though. Borland did an ok job, but he's not the physical presence Willis is at all. But, we can't expect him to be. Unfortunate that it comes the week we're going to play Peyton.

Chris Culliver was the biggest disappointment on defense. He played with poor technique a couple times and completely blew his assignment on a TD.

Other than that, not much else to say. As usual, breakdowns to follow.

I agree that Fangio's been insanely good, but the matter of how many starters are remaining from the end of last year can be a bit misleading (and it's actually 4. not 3: Smith, McDonald, Brooks, Reid - though maybe that was just a typo) because Bethea is just as good if not better than Whitner, Cully and Cox are just as good if not better than Rogers and Brown, and Williams is arguably playing as well as Dorsey.
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Originally posted by Niners816:
A thing of beauty My favorite throw of the night.

That was my 3rd. My first was the anquan td, 2nd was the Lloyd 80 yarder, 3rd was the crabs td. Key of course to all those scoring plays were the pass protection. With von miller and demarcus ware on the other side, I don't know if these kinds of plays will be available if we don't have a good inside run game.
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Originally posted by thl408:
I just wanted to re-post this gif from the 'Runs from 11' posts. Boldin has done an excellent job at keeping his mouth closed after big catches ever since the personal foul for head butting. If this is how he takes out his aggression on CBs I can dig it. lol at #20 for getting rag dolled by a 34 year old.


LMAO! I absolutely LOVE his fight and attitude. He's a damn WR in TE's body with an OLB's mentality...seek and destroy!

The whining reaction of #20 is priceless - help me out, REF! This older guy just made a fool out of me!
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by znk916:
Originally posted by thl408:
No problem about more run game analysis. It's odd that on a night where Kap played so well, I was a little more interested in the run game. It's just that I don't think the 49ers had run the ball so often out of that personnel grouping before in any one game. Couple this with how they seemed to run quite a number of zone blocking plays versues KC and we might be seeing some sort of shift to more zone blocking runs. Not more as in the ratio of zone blocking plays compared to power blocking plays, but as in more zone blocking plays compared to the past.

I believe the Rams did make an emphasis of stopping the run game and forcing Kap to beat them, which many here have mentioned. I think there's execution as well as opponent's possibly being tipped off when the 49ers are about to run the ball. That's why the 11 personnel was so effective because any combination of three WRs that the 49ers can field demand respect as route runners. We don't need all22 view to see the run game so I am really interested in what others have to say as well.

As to Roman throwing away plays, that's a tough way to put it, but I think it's true. A running team has to continue to show it is willing to run in order for the opponent to continue thinking they have to devote attention towards stopping it. We all know the 49ers love using play action and that won't be as effective unless the 49ers show in every game that they are willing to pound the rock.

Out of the 27 carries that Gore/Hyde got, how many were designed to go outside of the tackles? Just offhand I feel like we didn't even bother to threaten the edges, which is mind boggling considering that a huge chunk of our run yards come off tackle, as per PFF or FO, I can't recall which.

Directly off tackle, for this game, I would give a ballpark estimate of 10 or more. Wide outside of the tackles were very few - I can remember 1 off the top of my head as I type this. There were two times that the 49ers faked the stretch run and it resulted in having Vance/VD being wide open (one was Vance fumble). So teams are respecting the outside run even if it's not warranted.

About runs wide outside the tackles, I think the days of offensive guards leading the sweep are over. DLs and LBs are too fast for that now. Most runs wide to the outside are going to be zone blocking runs. So unless the 49ers call more of these outside zone plays and the edge is available to be taken, we may not see it much with this 49er team. Their OL is more lumbering and powerful than they are agile. The PFF/OF stat that says the 49ers had chunk plays on outside runs, was that just for RBs or did it include QB runs? Also, it needs to make the distinction of directly off tackle, or wide outside the tackle box. Directly off tackle, the 49ers run that quite often. Wide outside the tackle box, not so much.
Agree on the same level too. We tend to run a lot inside-out. We'll look to pound the inside and our backs do have the option to bounce it outside if the inside lanes are stacked. You'll see our edge blockers, if they have completely lost leverage inside on their block will try and drive their guy as far inside as they can - to allow for the outside bounce. Our backs have to be very decisive in what they do, because, when you run this way, you have to hit your holes hard and run through them. So, generally, our backs will take the few yards or even a yard and be decisive, but, every once in a while, you'll see a big gash run when they bounce it outside.

The problem with that is that Gore does not really have the speed to bounce it out anymore.
Besides enjoying the hell out of your posts, jonnydel, it also brings to home just how much I don't know about the technical aspects of the game. The initial post and many of the replies are impressive as all get out. Keep up the good work and intelligent discussion, bros.
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