SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS. DENVER BRONCOS GAMEDAY THREAD (PS, Game 2)

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by SofaKing:
If Borland wins the job, I'm assuming he'll man the ILB position that focuses less on coverage, and more on run-plugging. Not sure if that's the "Mike" or "Jack" in this defense.

Mike covers backs or settles into the middle zone; Jack usually covers the TE. Borland could be bad at both. I can't see him being effective against NFL TEs, so Jack is out. As far as Mike, he wasn't gonna be much help to Dahl on the TD pass anyway, but he opened up the passing lane when he ran downhill to cover the shallow cross.

You can't tell me a MLB is responsible for covering a deep post in a ZONE coverage.
Unless he was supposed to switch his coverage to man, there is no way he is responsible for that deep post.

Also, Borland has been very good in man coverage; and it's not like Wilhoite and Moody have been doing any better in coverage.

Originally posted by NeonNiner:

Originally posted by fister30:

My main concern after watching the last two games are that our guys aren't competing. We are getting our butts kicked more often than not by other teams 1sts, 2nds, and lower strings. Our defense moderately slowed the ravens and broncos but their firsts out played our firsts. (i know we have injuries)

The lack of TD's and scoring in general by our 1sts mirrors our issue from last year. I don't see an change in more TD's and less field goals. Our second and lower strings are playing like they are expecting to be cut while the ravens and broncos guys are trying to make the squad by a high level of play. It seems as the 49ers collectively think other teams are supposed to lose to them rather than them winning the game by winning all of the individual battles on each play. Maybe it's from a tough training camp but the collective fight isn't there yet.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

We're the most defeated team in preseason aren't we? It's a little disturbing that we are so uncompetitive. The coaching staff may be using preseason as a teaching tool, but the number one rule is always be competitive. Never let your team get wiped out or they start to doubt themselves. I'm thinking some of this is on the staff.

Exactly. I'm not mad that we're losing. We could go 0-4 for all I care as long as we're being competitive and keeping it close but to get blown away twice in such fashions isn't encouraging. We have never been this bad in preseason at any point Harbaugh . Everyone plays the "starters weren't in" card and that's true but in both games, their second and third stringers clearly outplayed ours which isn't saying much for the "deepest team" and "most depth" in the league claims. And these back up QBs are flat out putrid. They can't even dump 5+ yard passes properly or sustain a drive to save their lives. Trotting out Gabbert for that long is a waste of everyone's time and meaningful reps. Our young WRs aren't getting anything out of this.

My terrible fear is that those 3 straight final 4 appearances have finally caught up with us. Although, the real problem seems to be atrocious backup QB play. Tolzien, BJ Daniels, and Colt were much better than our current backups last year and the years before, in terms of production and turnovers. Most likely we're drafting a backup QB next year. This kind of backup QB play is actually bad for preseason because the rest of the offense can't get on the field and do quality in game reps- in my opinion. I've never seen anything this bad in Harbaugh's coaching tenure. I have a really bad feeling about the regular season now.

I'm forgetting ....what was the reason we cut McCoy?

Originally posted by NeonNiner:

Originally posted by fister30:
My main concern after watching the last two games are that our guys aren't competing. We are getting our butts kicked more often than not by other teams 1sts, 2nds, and lower strings. Our defense moderately slowed the ravens and broncos but their firsts out played our firsts. (i know we have injuries)

The lack of TD's and scoring in general by our 1sts mirrors our issue from last year. I don't see an change in more TD's and less field goals. Our second and lower strings are playing like they are expecting to be cut while the ravens and broncos guys are trying to make the squad by a high level of play. It seems as the 49ers collectively think other teams are supposed to lose to them rather than them winning the game by winning all of the individual battles on each play. Maybe it's from a tough training camp but the collective fight isn't there yet.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
We're the most defeated team in preseason aren't we? It's a little disturbing that we are so uncompetitive. The coaching staff may be using preseason as a teaching tool, but the number one rule is always be competitive. Never let your team get wiped out or they start to doubt themselves. I'm thinking some of this is on the staff.

Exactly. I'm not mad that we're losing. We could go 0-4 for all I care as long as we're being competitive and keeping it close but to get blown away twice in such fashions isn't encouraging. We have never been this bad in preseason at any point Harbaugh . Everyone plays the "starters weren't in" card and that's true but in both games, their second and third stringers clearly outplayed ours which isn't saying much for the "deepest team" and "most depth" in the league claims. And these back up QBs are flat out putrid. They can't even dump 5+ yard passes properly or sustain a drive to save their lives. Trotting out Gabbert for that long is a waste of everyone's time and meaningful reps. Our young WRs aren't getting anything out of this.

Our players have just gone through an arduous training camp. They look tired.
There were times we were down to 5-6 Dlmen on a 90 man training camp roster. They have been doing a lot and they are raw to begin with.

Next week should help show us where we are a little better.

I think we have actually looked great in the preseason. Our players that matter have looked good.

Originally posted by NeonNiner:

Originally posted by fister30:
My main concern after watching the last two games are that our guys aren't competing. We are getting our butts kicked more often than not by other teams 1sts, 2nds, and lower strings. Our defense moderately slowed the ravens and broncos but their firsts out played our firsts. (i know we have injuries)

The lack of TD's and scoring in general by our 1sts mirrors our issue from last year. I don't see an change in more TD's and less field goals. Our second and lower strings are playing like they are expecting to be cut while the ravens and broncos guys are trying to make the squad by a high level of play. It seems as the 49ers collectively think other teams are supposed to lose to them rather than them winning the game by winning all of the individual battles on each play. Maybe it's from a tough training camp but the collective fight isn't there yet.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
We're the most defeated team in preseason aren't we? It's a little disturbing that we are so uncompetitive. The coaching staff may be using preseason as a teaching tool, but the number one rule is always be competitive. Never let your team get wiped out or they start to doubt themselves. I'm thinking some of this is on the staff.

Exactly. I'm not mad that we're losing. We could go 0-4 for all I care as long as we're being competitive and keeping it close but to get blown away twice in such fashions isn't encouraging. We have never been this bad in preseason at any point Harbaugh . Everyone plays the "starters weren't in" card and that's true but in both games, their second and third stringers clearly outplayed ours which isn't saying much for the "deepest team" and "most depth" in the league claims. And these back up QBs are flat out putrid. They can't even dump 5+ yard passes properly or sustain a drive to save their lives. Trotting out Gabbert for that long is a waste of everyone's time and meaningful reps. Our young WRs aren't getting anything out of this.

To add, when was the last time we laid an egg ? Seriously ? I honestly cannot remember. It was a total embarrassment to the franchise.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
I'm forgetting ....what was the reason we cut McCoy?

Because he was bad in practice and games.

Now we have a guy who is great in practice but still bad in games. At least we have improved.

Originally posted by BrianGO:
Because he was bad in practice and games.

Now we have a guy who is great in practice but still bad in games. At least we have improved.

Originally posted by BrianGO:
Our players have just gone through an arduous training camp. They look tired.
There were times we were down to 5-6 Dlmen on a 90 man training camp roster. They have been doing a lot and they are raw to begin with.

Next week should help show us where we are a little better.

I think we have actually looked great in the preseason. Our players that matter have looked good.

Any more arduous than any other teams training camp? Maybe one thing we are seeing is why people shell out money for veteran #2's.

Originally posted by BrianGO:
Our players have just gone through an arduous training camp. They look tired.
There were times we were down to 5-6 Dlmen on a 90 man training camp roster. They have been doing a lot and they are raw to begin with.

Next week should help show us where we are a little better.

I think we have actually looked great in the preseason. Our players that matter have looked good.

"Arduous" training camp ?! No offense, but please tell me which team's training camp isn't arduous ?! Every team is the same and every year is the same, hey all of a sudden it is making out last year's preseason performance looks pretty super duper as compared to the crap we have been forced to witness in the past 2 weeks, don't you think ?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by BrianGO:
Our players have just gone through an arduous training camp. They look tired.
There were times we were down to 5-6 Dlmen on a 90 man training camp roster. They have been doing a lot and they are raw to begin with.

Next week should help show us where we are a little better.

I think we have actually looked great in the preseason. Our players that matter have looked good.

Any more arduous than any other teams training camp? Maybe one thing we are seeing is why people shell out money for veteran #2's.

Yes. Because injuries have thinned out the roster, forcing our guys to do more in camp as well as preseason games.

But this has been mostly about quarterbacking. I think Aldon Smith is ruining our ability to practice. Gabbert seems to have a two second clock in his head. He throws the ball in two seconds no matter how much time he has.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NeonNiner:

Originally posted by fister30:

My main concern after watching the last two games are that our guys aren't competing. We are getting our butts kicked more often than not by other teams 1sts, 2nds, and lower strings. Our defense moderately slowed the ravens and broncos but their firsts out played our firsts. (i know we have injuries)

The lack of TD's and scoring in general by our 1sts mirrors our issue from last year. I don't see an change in more TD's and less field goals. Our second and lower strings are playing like they are expecting to be cut while the ravens and broncos guys are trying to make the squad by a high level of play. It seems as the 49ers collectively think other teams are supposed to lose to them rather than them winning the game by winning all of the individual battles on each play. Maybe it's from a tough training camp but the collective fight isn't there yet.

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

We're the most defeated team in preseason aren't we? It's a little disturbing that we are so uncompetitive. The coaching staff may be using preseason as a teaching tool, but the number one rule is always be competitive. Never let your team get wiped out or they start to doubt themselves. I'm thinking some of this is on the staff.

Exactly. I'm not mad that we're losing. We could go 0-4 for all I care as long as we're being competitive and keeping it close but to get blown away twice in such fashions isn't encouraging. We have never been this bad in preseason at any point Harbaugh . Everyone plays the "starters weren't in" card and that's true but in both games, their second and third stringers clearly outplayed ours which isn't saying much for the "deepest team" and "most depth" in the league claims. And these back up QBs are flat out putrid. They can't even dump 5+ yard passes properly or sustain a drive to save their lives. Trotting out Gabbert for that long is a waste of everyone's time and meaningful reps. Our young WRs aren't getting anything out of this.

My terrible fear is that those 3 straight final 4 appearances have finally caught up with us. Although, the real problem seems to be atrocious backup QB play. Tolzien, BJ Daniels, and Colt were much better than our current backups last year and the years before, in terms of production and turnovers. Most likely we're drafting a backup QB next year. This kind of backup QB play is actually bad for preseason because the rest of the offense can't get on the field and do quality in game reps- in my opinion. I've never seen anything this bad in Harbaugh's coaching tenure. I have a really bad feeling about the regular season now.

Back up QB position is a complete disaster. None currently on the roster are serviceable no. 2s and if we have to rely on any of them at any point this season, we're in big trouble. You can bet we'll be drafting a QB no later than the mid rounds next year. This QB carousel system needs to end now. Get a young, cheap kid and develop him.

Definitely know what you mean about three straight runs catching up with us. I pray it's not this year. An ATL Falcons type fall would be nightmarish.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by BrianGO:
Our players have just gone through an arduous training camp. They look tired.
There were times we were down to 5-6 Dlmen on a 90 man training camp roster. They have been doing a lot and they are raw to begin with.

Next week should help show us where we are a little better.

I think we have actually looked great in the preseason. Our players that matter have looked good.

"Arduous" training camp ?! No offense, but please tell me which team's training camp isn't arduous ?! Every team is the same and every year is the same, hey all of a sudden it is making out last year's preseason performance looks pretty super duper as compared to the crap we have been forced to witness in the past 2 weeks, don't you think ?

We have had nearly 30 players not practice for various reasons during camp. Our DL has been thin throughout camp. So yes, our camp has not been as pristine, compared to past years.

Also, we have been bad as a team, but not individually. We missed two field goals for example. Our starters were playing neck and neck with the Broncos, besides for that. And we STILL haven't seen our starting DL out there ONCE yet.

I'll say that again. Justin Smith, Ray McDonald and Ian Williams have seen ZERO snaps in the preseason.

Originally posted by NeonNiner:
Back up QB position is a complete disaster. None currently on the roster are serviceable no. 2s and if we have to rely on any of them at any point this season, we're in big trouble. You can bet we'll be drafting a QB no later than the mid rounds next year. This QB carousel system needs to end now. Get a young, cheap kid and develop him.

Definitely know what you mean about three straight runs catching up with us. I pray it's not this year. An ATL Falcons type fall would be nightmarish.

I am surprised we have neglected backup QB and backup OT in the draft.

Originally posted by BrianGO:

Originally posted by NeonNiner:

Back up QB position is a complete disaster. None currently on the roster are serviceable no. 2s and if we have to rely on any of them at any point this season, we're in big trouble. You can bet we'll be drafting a QB no later than the mid rounds next year. This QB carousel system needs to end now. Get a young, cheap kid and develop him.

Definitely know what you mean about three straight runs catching up with us. I pray it's not this year. An ATL Falcons type fall would be nightmarish.

I am surprised we have neglected backup QB and backup OT in the draft.

I don't usually criticize the FO or staff but to have thirteen picks in a QB loaded draft and not spend a single one on a QB, especially when this is the crap they brought in to show for behind Kap is completely ridiculous. I hope they're willing to change their approach after this because this is not defendable.