ILB, Chris Borland, Wisconsin

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by JR8049:
And York has every right and should retrieve three-quarters of signing bonus for 1. Not doing so set a real bad precedent 2. Cap space is cap space 3. Worry about negative impact organisation image - well not a problem retrieve it and donate more than that to CTE research fund or the like of it

But you do remember that Glen Coffee's bonus money was never gone after right? And he retired for faith, where Borland did for Health reasons, what does that show if they go after it? That they only care about Money. It would be horrible PR for them, a downright nightmare for the 49ers, which they don't need right now.

Its a business, we need the cash. If a rookie just leaves, they should forfeit any signing bonus.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NeeJ49er:
drafting one in the 3rd or 4th makes a lot of sense, we get an ILB with an upside and avoid the pricey free agents, who would naturally take a big bite out of our salary cap, Wilhoite can more than hold his own until our rookie is ready to contribute....the cash we save on Borland's contract will obviously come in handy to sign Borland's replacement ...no need to panic huh AB, we are still in a good situation as far as talent at the LB position

I'm not really worried, I like Wilhoite a lot. But I like a bunch of college kids in this yrs drart, Stephone Anthony, Bernardrick McKinney, Paul Dawson, Denzel Perryman just to name a few.

i def agree with you.

Originally posted by cciowa:
they should have went after coffee in my opinion. they should do what is right, damn the bad publicity it will bring because we will get that anyway remember there are lots of people who want us to go 4-12 and want us to fail so who gives a s**t about bad publicity anymore? we will get that no matter what we do... so they should go after borlands bonus because, in my opinion, its the right thing to do.. also chicken s**t he never did a presser. willis did,,,, hell even dips**t erikson had the guts to go to the media tent the day he got fired and answered every question thrown at him which i really respected.... the borland thing and how he did it reminds me of when mooch got fired,, never had the guts to stand up to anyone and hid in a dark van as it drove out of niner headquarters. f**k him and now i am more than ever committed to having a good season cuz i am not letting some little non loyal man from wisconsin f**k up our team.

So he didn't do a presser, so what? He is obligated to do one, he owes no one anything cc. He doesn't owe me, you, or anyone anything, he never did. He was the one risking his health out there.

Yeah they should of went after Coffee's bonus, but they didn't, and if they do after Borland's, then that will say they only care about money, and not the health of their players. And besides it like $463K that would be back to them, that is nothing. People act like he got a huge bonus, he didn't, just let it go. It's not your money anyway.

Originally posted by jreff22:
Its a business, we need the cash. If a rookie just leaves, they should forfeit any signing bonus.

No we don't Justin, we don't need the cash, we have enough already. What the hell is less than $465K gonna do for us? They saved enough in the future already, he doesn't get a dime more now.

Also what about Lattimore's bonus? Yeah he attempted a comeback, but he eventually retired, and they didn't go after it did they? Nope

And he never played a down for the 49ers, and not only did he get paid his bonus, but he got paid 2 years worth of a base salary.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Also what about Lattimore's bonus? Yeah he attempted a comeback, but he eventually retired, and they didn't go after it did they? Nope

And he never played a down for the 49ers, and not only did he get paid his bonus, but he got paid 2 years worth of a base salary.

case by case basis,, esp now its coming out borland planned to play one year, get his money and hit the back door. ahh the hell with him. onward and upward. i hope he is sincere in his saying he was worried about his health,, but i also think he saw us as a money train. i know i work for jed but i can never look at borland in the same light again as i did two weeks ago... ok to wrap this up ,,,, i am more than confident in our ability to find someone as good or not better because in regards to linebackers that is just what this team does. even fans who want us to go 4-12 in order to get a bunch of coaches, whom they have never seen coach a game, have to admit that about our team

Seems like he did this all for publicity. Ever since Monday he has been on a bunch of television shows talking about his retirement. Since Willis retired all he did was his press conference and that's it.

Originally posted by cciowa:
case by case basis,, esp now its coming out borland planned to play one year, get his money and hit the back door. ahh the hell with him. onward and upward. i hope he is sincere in his saying he was worried about his health,, but i also think he saw us as a money train. i know i work for jed but i can never look at borland in the same light again as i did two weeks ago... ok to wrap this up ,,,, i am more than confident in our ability to find someone as good or not better because in regards to linebackers that is just what this team does. even fans who want us to go 4-12 in order to get a bunch of coaches, whom they have never seen coach a game fired , have to admit that about our team

meant to say fired

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Seems like he did this all for publicity. Ever since Monday he has been on a bunch of television shows talking about his retirement. Since Willis retired all he did was his press conference and that's it.

well now he is the poster boy, the new golden child for the media who love the fact he allegedly shook up the evil nfl empire.

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Seems like he did this all for publicity. Ever since Monday he has been on a bunch of television shows talking about his retirement. Since Willis retired all he did was his press conference and that's it.

Of course he is, he has to make money somehow. If he doesn't already have one Im sure there is a book deal waiting for him from some publisher.

Also wouldn't surprise me he turns to coaching, which would be ironic... so he can help train youth to have head trauma.

Originally posted by cciowa:
case by case basis,, esp now its coming out borland planned to play one year, get his money and hit the back door. ahh the hell with him. onward and upward. i hope he is sincere in his saying he was worried about his health,, but i also think he saw us as a money train. i know i work for jed but i can never look at borland in the same light again as i did two weeks ago... ok to wrap this up ,,,, i am more than confident in our ability to find someone as good or not better because in regards to linebackers that is just what this team does. even fans who want us to go 4-12 in order to get a bunch of coaches, whom they have never seen coach a game, have to admit that about our team

Money train? He got $618K to sign, that's nothing. Sure to us that's a lot. Not lik he got a $10M bonus, then I would be pissed off.

Originally posted by TheRickestRick:

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:
Seems like he did this all for publicity. Ever since Monday he has been on a bunch of television shows talking about his retirement. Since Willis retired all he did was his press conference and that's it.

Of course he is, he has to make money somehow. If he doesn't already have one Im sure there is a book deal waiting for him from some publisher.

Also wouldn't surprise me he turns to coaching, which would be ironic... so he can help train youth to have head trauma.

yea,, i am sure he will soon go on tour with obama telling kids not to go out for football. and then we can all look back with pride saying,,, you know he was once one of us

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Don't put words in my mouth man, I never said my life was hard driving to work, I used driving to work as an example for a health/injury risk. I ain't flexing no muscle, got nothing to prove to nobody, especially on the net, I'm just as entitled to my opinion of him and this move as you or anyone else is, I think he's a puss, you don't so what. And how is 40 years minimum salary good money? 40,000/40 years equals 1.6 mil. 500,000/3 years equals 1.5 mil. Really dude? Blaming the NFL for not informing him of risk involved in playing football is incredibly ignorant. It doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure that out. If you really believe players only know about concussions recently because of the lawsuit than I don't know what to tell you. Anyways this ain't gonna go anywhere, Borland ain't a Niner anymore so like this conversation I'm over it

I said 40 years earning the NFL minimum of $400k is good money, not 3 years of NFL minimum salary. He will probably now make more money next year than he would have playing in the NFL. Those interviews he gives are easy money and the publicity from him walking away is automatic book deals.

Where is the proof that NFL players knew that the head trauma from NFL careers increased their chance of dementia/Alzheimer's/depression exponentially? Where is the study other than the one released last year from the suit?

Of course we knew head trauma is bad, it's another story to say it's not that bad and minimizing it. It's misleading and Bc of that the NFL forked over almost a $1 billion over to settle with the quickness (Bc they knew they could be held responsible for much more than that) It's like going to a surgeon for a procedure under general anesthesia and the doctor misleading you regarding the risks of general anesthesia and leaving out the part of possibility of cardiac arrest .

Originally posted by blizzuntz:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
Don't put words in my mouth man, I never said my life was hard driving to work, I used driving to work as an example for a health/injury risk. I ain't flexing no muscle, got nothing to prove to nobody, especially on the net, I'm just as entitled to my opinion of him and this move as you or anyone else is, I think he's a puss, you don't so what. And how is 40 years minimum salary good money? 40,000/40 years equals 1.6 mil. 500,000/3 years equals 1.5 mil. Really dude? Blaming the NFL for not informing him of risk involved in playing football is incredibly ignorant. It doesn't take a rocket scientists to figure that out. If you really believe players only know about concussions recently because of the lawsuit than I don't know what to tell you. Anyways this ain't gonna go anywhere, Borland ain't a Niner anymore so like this conversation I'm over it

I said 40 years earning the NFL minimum of $400k is good money, not 3 years of NFL minimum salary. He will probably now make more money next year than he would have playing in the NFL. Those interviews he gives are easy money and the publicity from him walking away is automatic book deals.

Where is the proof that NFL players knew that the head trauma from NFL careers increased their chance of dementia/Alzheimer's/depression exponentially? Where is the study other than the one released last year from the suit?

Of course we knew head trauma is bad, it's another story to say it's not that bad and minimizing it. It's misleading and Bc of that the NFL forked over almost a $1 billion over to settle with the quickness (Bc they knew they could be held responsible for much more than that) It's like going to a surgeon for a procedure under general anesthesia and the doctor misleading you regarding the risks of general anesthesia and leaving out the part of possibility of cardiac arrest .

Actually by denying that football causes head trama was an idiot and dbag move by Goodell, but what do you expect from him, he is a puppet for the owners.

They should say that yeah football does cause potential brain damage, etc.. But they don't have the guts too, because they don't want to lose millions, because all they care about is the frigging Money, they don't care about the health of players, they don't want players getting paid, they try to keep the cap down, even thought the NFLPA calls them out every yr with the cap, because they know the NFL is full of s**t. Trust me, while the players got a good end of the CBA deal, the owners and the commish got it beter. They keep the franchise tag, and commish gets to punish the players without anyone else having a say.

dudes just a slap in the face to every working man, waste of talent