Blaine Gabbert

Tiller isn't bad at all. He has done a nice job.

Originally posted by Blindfury:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Im saying one gif is a really stupid way to try to prove something. Tiller is bad, but he has been an improvement over Devey

You see that here all the time.

Insinuating the improvemnt of the all important oline change, so Kaep would be less to blame for his struggle does not make it so

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Insinuating the improvemnt of the all important oline change, so Kaep would be less to blame for his struggle does not make it so

Stay on topic. A gif does not prove anything. People keep using them in arguments.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Insinuating the improvemnt of the all important oline change, so Kaep would be less to blame for his struggle does not make it so

No, all I'm saying is Kaps supporting cast wasn't better. The substraction of Devey has improved 2 different Olines. Trading Vernon has been a plus for us and has cost Denver games. Hyde struggled behind that line too. The narrative of Gab doing more with less just doesn't make sense to me

Originally posted by JohnMatrix:
Tiller isn't bad at all. He has done a nice job.

LMAO. I know right? Currently ranked #22 among all G's...to put that into perspective, Boone is #40. And we just moved Tiller over to LG (from RG) and did anyone else see all the massive holes on the left side of the OL until the coaches shut it down in the second half?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
Insinuating the improvemnt of the all important oline change, so Kaep would be less to blame for his struggle does not make it so

No, all I'm saying is Kaps supporting cast wasn't better. The substraction of Devey has improved 2 different Olines. Trading Vernon has been a plus for us and has cost Denver games. Hyde struggled behind that line too. The narrative of Gab doing more with less just doesn't make sense to me

100% agree the talent is better around Gabbert right now minus Hyde, which is huge. We just got a glimpse of how well and efficient Gabbert can be with quality pass protection and most importantly, a good running game where Harris/Hayne were dominating the Lions front (near 300 yards of offense in one half).

That said, IMHO, the issue with CK is that we moved to a WCO. And CK is about as far from being equipped to run that offense as RGIII. Gabbert is a FAR superior fit for our current WCO offensive system. 3-5-7-step drops, timing routes, route progressions, crossing routes, post patterns, throws to the RB's to lead them, TE usage, check downs, pocket mobility, mechanics, football IQ, leading the huddle, line-checks, etc. It's not even close.

CK's "run" is over here. Fans just need to embrace that and wish him the best. Great dude!

We've got to sign Gabbert long term.

We moved to a WCO? I think you're mistaking checkdowns for being the WCO.

Originally posted by NCommand:

100% agree the talent is better around Gabbert right now minus Hyde, which is huge. We just got a glimpse of how well and efficient Gabbert can be with quality pass protection and most importantly, a good running game where Harris/Hayne were dominating the Lions front (near 300 yards of offense in one half).

That said, IMHO, the issue with CK is that we moved to a WCO. And CK is about as far from being equipped to run that offense as RGIII. Gabbert is a FAR superior fit for our current WCO offensive system. 3-5-7-step drops, timing routes, route progressions, crossing routes, post patterns, throws to the RB's to lead them, TE usage, check downs, pocket mobility, mechanics, football IQ, leading the huddle, line-checks, etc. It's not even close.

CK's "run" is over here. Fans just need to embrace that and wish him the best. Great dude!

Don't disagree CKs done here, but that Blaine paragraph is hilarious. The guy's not very good. I was excited after his first couple starts too, but that's over. If it wasn't for the end of the Bears game I wouldn't even want him as stop gap.

I just had to stop those dudes there. "BOOM"ing each other when the narrative they're Booming to isn't even true lmao

Originally posted by Dsoto87:
We moved to a WCO? I think you're mistaking checkdowns for being the WCO.

Check out the film room...crossing patterns, 3-5-7 step drops, TE's heavily incorporated into the PASSING game, RB's too now, etc. Tons of WCO concepts...many old school. What is odd is that we appear to not script plays and we don't use the short passing game to set up the run (mostly run to set up the pass). So it's not 100% WCO in principle but the concepts/schemes mostly are.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NCommand:
100% agree the talent is better around Gabbert right now minus Hyde, which is huge. We just got a glimpse of how well and efficient Gabbert can be with quality pass protection and most importantly, a good running game where Harris/Hayne were dominating the Lions front (near 300 yards of offense in one half).

That said, IMHO, the issue with CK is that we moved to a WCO. And CK is about as far from being equipped to run that offense as RGIII. Gabbert is a FAR superior fit for our current WCO offensive system. 3-5-7-step drops, timing routes, route progressions, crossing routes, post patterns, throws to the RB's to lead them, TE usage, check downs, pocket mobility, mechanics, football IQ, leading the huddle, line-checks, etc. It's not even close.

CK's "run" is over here. Fans just need to embrace that and wish him the best. Great dude!

Don't disagree CKs done here, but that Blaine paragraph is hilarious. The guy's not very good. I was excited after his first couple starts too, but that's over. If it wasn't for the end of the Bears game I wouldn't even want him as stop gap.

I just had to stop those dudes there. "BOOM"ing each other when the narrative they're Booming to isn't even true lmao

It just depends on how you look at it...straight skill set, it's not even a question which is why Geep is talking about his "upside" b/c he has all the tools and has made big strides since Jacksonville. If you are focused on the the end results without context it's hard to be impressed. But you can see that if Blaine has ANY kind of consistent running game (like Detroit), even lacking in skill positions around him and now, with a better OL, he can drop sub-300 yards of offense on you in one half and make every throw, no INT's, TD's, extremely high QBR.

It's like buying a house you want to flip. Gabbert has all the potential but until money is put into it, you may not get the full return you hope for. That's not saying he couldn't flop either. I's just that some QB's don't even have that ceiling.

Originally posted by Buchy:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by dj43:
The only substantial change was in the last game when Brown started and Pears slid into guard.

The move to Kilgore at center was also better in the last game but in the two prior his PFF grades were only slightly better than Martin's better games.

Also, Gabbert never had a healthy Celek. He has gone with McDroppsies and rookie Bell.

Draughn was a lucky find but not better than Hyde, plus it took him a while to get the protections down.

Lots of ground already covered here. Gabbert is just a better fit right now.

Yes would be nice to have Celek, but I think the Oline changes were just as, if not more important.

Gabbert has looked better, but they both had awful supporting casts

Sorry but the first post was b******t. The most important change was Tiller starting at guard instead of Devey, which did not occur until after Kap was benched. Kap had to play behind Pears, Martin and Devey in the worst OLine in living memory against the better defenses on our schedule. That's why the guy was broken.

Initially Tiller was only splitting time with Devey, and his graders were not appreciably better than Devey. Once he started and played regularly his performance picked up dramatically.

However, all that is beside the point; being, Kaepernick was not even "looking" like a pro quarterback. As we have discussed ad nauseum here, his grasp of fundamentals is very low and has never been very good. By his own admission he never paid much attention to mechanics, and it is that lack of mechanics that has caused him problems. To attempt to lay that lacking on a weak OL is without substance.

Gabbert, by comparison, is MUCH more sound fundamentally, and that is the main point. Even if the numbers on both players were equal, the fact Gabbert is more sound fundamentally makes him the better choice going forward.

Yep the OL has been better for Blaine. Except for that game where they gave up 9 sacks. LMAO. People don't understand how decent QB play makes a poor OL look good. They struggled horribly that game, as did Blaine, and look at the end result.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Yep the OL has been better for Blaine. Except for that game where they gave up 9 sacks. LMAO. People don't understand how decent QB play makes a poor OL look good. They struggled horribly that game, as did Blaine, and look at the end result.

In fairness, 3 of those "sacks" were when Gabbert went out of bounds short of the LOS while trying to avoid pressure. Total yardage lost was about 7 yards IIRC. He could have thrown the ball away, but still, it was a lack of protection. Part of that was the lack of a run game. blah, blah, blah.

Blaine looks injured to me and no way he should play sunday. Really interested in what our PS Qbs can do for final game. Also really want pears, martin, devey out there, plus a PS OL to help protect our Ps QB. Wonder if it will happen?