Blaine Gabbert

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Ive thought about this a lot, and I have come to the conclusion that I'd rather have Kap in there. He will stink it up once again and we'll have a better draft pick. Gabbert would play better and only get us 5-7 wins which is worthless in the grand scheme of things.

I disagree. You make the OL better, you give him a legit RB, his numbers go up and he plays much better. He's already on pace this season to best Kap's career best. And the difference in personnel is staggering. If Kap can take us to the Super Bowl with a great team around him, there's zero reason Gabbert can't.

The biggest argument for Kap was that nobody could do better with the personnel he had. Well, Gabbert did better, with worse personnel.

If we have a legit OL then my dream scenario is to have Hue Jackson and Goff for next year with Blaine as the backup.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Well, Gabbert did better, with worse personnel.

BOOM

It would be great if he would stop scrambling out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage..

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Ive thought about this a lot, and I have come to the conclusion that I'd rather have Kap in there. He will stink it up once again and we'll have a better draft pick. Gabbert would play better and only get us 5-7 wins which is worthless in the grand scheme of things.

I disagree. You make the OL better, you give him a legit RB, his numbers go up and he plays much better. He's already on pace this season to best Kap's career best. And the difference in personnel is staggering. If Kap can take us to the Super Bowl with a great team around him, there's zero reason Gabbert can't.

The biggest argument for Kap was that nobody could do better with the personnel he had. Well, Gabbert did better, with worse personnel.

If we have a legit OL then my dream scenario is to have Hue Jackson and Goff for next year with Blaine as the backup.

I don't want to start a rookie. I want him to sit for at least two years. I'd rather it be three, but I think two years is enough time to learn the playbook and adjust to the nuances of NFL play.

I don't think Goff is going to pan out in the NFL. I think he's going to be the next Ken Dorsey. Same build, same arm strength, same dink and dunk play. He's got inflated numbers from lighting it up against weak competition, but then against stronger competition, he just doesn't cut it. Dorsey had better credentials coming into the NFL and see what happened?

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:

Well, Gabbert did better, with worse personnel.

BOOM

I thought that at first, but that isn't really true. Gabbert hasn't had Vernon, but now we know Kap was probably better off without him too. Gabbert hasn't had Hyde, but he was only effective in 2 games.

And they actually tweaked the most important part (OL) and made it better. I'm sure Kap would've traded Vernon for better Olinemen. I like Gabbert, but he's not doing more with less.

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
I don't want to start a rookie. I want him to sit for at least two years. I'd rather it be three, but I think two years is enough time to learn the playbook and adjust to the nuances of NFL play.

I don't think Goff is going to pan out in the NFL. I think he's going to be the next Ken Dorsey. Same build, same arm strength, same dink and dunk play. He's got inflated numbers from lighting it up against weak competition, but then against stronger competition, he just doesn't cut it. Dorsey had better credentials coming into the NFL and see what happened?

Dorsey? seriously?

He was a 7th round pick. The only thing him and Goff have in common is they are from the bay area.

Why would the coaches put Kap back in? Gabbert has looked 100x better and has been more productive than Kap. That's the definition of "best chance to win." He WON that spot, fair and square.

I'm not disappointed a single bit with how Gabbert has handled taking over the starting role. Nobody thought he was going to come in and take us to the playoffs or the Super Bowl. But he at least looks like an NFL QB.

Kap was never an NFL QB. He should have been playing TE or WR. Even better, he should have played baseball. Gabbert can do everything Kap can, and you don't have to teach him the basics of being a QB 5 years into his career.

yes I'm picking certain parts of your post... But I don't know if I should continue this conversation if you really believe this stuff.

It's extreme/bias/ and flat out a lie.

any other person who believes in Gabbert that would like to continue this discussion, I'm down.

for you Jedediah, I'll look at the content of your post and see if you have anything...Later tonight or tomorrow. But again I'm sorry...lol.. the stuff you wrote that I just quoted.. I mean man, if you really believe that.

I try to be neutral with this stuff....not delusional.

edit- wait Goff = Ken Dorsey now?

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
I don't want to start a rookie. I want him to sit for at least two years. I'd rather it be three, but I think two years is enough time to learn the playbook and adjust to the nuances of NFL play.

I don't think Goff is going to pan out in the NFL. I think he's going to be the next Ken Dorsey. Same build, same arm strength, same dink and dunk play. He's got inflated numbers from lighting it up against weak competition, but then against stronger competition, he just doesn't cut it. Dorsey had better credentials coming into the NFL and see what happened?

Dorsey? seriously?

He was a 7th round pick. The only thing him and Goff have in common is they are from the bay area.

Seriously.

Dorsey:
Maxwell Award (2001)
2x Archie Griffin Award (2001–2002)
2x NCAA QB of the Year (2001–2002)
2x Heisman Trophy finalist (2001–2002)
1× BCS National Championship (2001) and 1 BCS Nat'l Championship loss
Rose Bowl Co-MVP
H also broke a whole heap of UofM records.

Goff:
First-team All-Pac-12 (2015)
2015 Armed Forces Bowl MVP
Has broken some single game Cal records, but all against weaker opponents. And a couple single season Cal records, but again, he lit it up against weaker opponents, like the Colorade Buffaloes.

You're seeing a huge inflation of draft position for QBs because QB talent and NFL readiness back then was greater. Dorsey dropped because of concerns over his arm strength. And Goff has a weak arm, just like Dorsey. They're basically the same player. Same build, same arm strength... the only difference is Goff is in a pass first spread attack that let's him pad his stats against weaker competition. Dorsey played in a pro style scheme.

In the 2003 draft, 13 QBs were drafted. In 2002, 16. 2004 was the historical year with Eli Manning, Big Ben, Philip Rivers, Matt Schaub... 17 total QBs that year.

Compare that to 2015, 7 QBs. 2014, 11. 2013, 11. Going back to 2010, the highest number of QBs drafted was 13.

Next year, you're looking at maybe 10 or 11 even projected to be drafted, and I'm sure a few of those will drop as the draft approaches. Even less of those will become starters. It's looking to be the draft class of the future backup QBs of the NFL.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Why would the coaches put Kap back in? Gabbert has looked 100x better and has been more productive than Kap. That's the definition of "best chance to win." He WON that spot, fair and square.

I'm not disappointed a single bit with how Gabbert has handled taking over the starting role. Nobody thought he was going to come in and take us to the playoffs or the Super Bowl. But he at least looks like an NFL QB.

Kap was never an NFL QB. He should have been playing TE or WR. Even better, he should have played baseball. Gabbert can do everything Kap can, and you don't have to teach him the basics of being a QB 5 years into his career.

yes I'm picking certain parts of your post... But I don't know if I should continue this conversation if you really believe this stuff.

It's extreme/bias/ and flat out a lie.

any other person who believes in Gabbert that would like to continue this discussion, I'm down.

for you Jedediah, I'll look at the content of your post and see if you have anything...Later tonight or tomorrow. But again I'm sorry...lol.. the stuff you wrote that I just quoted.. I mean man, if you really believe that.

I try to be neutral with this stuff....not delusional.

edit- wait Goff = Ken Dorsey now?

If you think Kap has been better than Gabbert, I'm not the delusional one here, you are.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Why would the coaches put Kap back in? Gabbert has looked 100x better and has been more productive than Kap. That's the definition of "best chance to win." He WON that spot, fair and square.

I'm not disappointed a single bit with how Gabbert has handled taking over the starting role. Nobody thought he was going to come in and take us to the playoffs or the Super Bowl. But he at least looks like an NFL QB.

Kap was never an NFL QB. He should have been playing TE or WR. Even better, he should have played baseball. Gabbert can do everything Kap can, and you don't have to teach him the basics of being a QB 5 years into his career.

yes I'm picking certain parts of your post... But I don't know if I should continue this conversation if you really believe this stuff.

It's extreme/bias/ and flat out a lie.

any other person who believes in Gabbert that would like to continue this discussion, I'm down.

for you Jedediah, I'll look at the content of your post and see if you have anything...Later tonight or tomorrow. But again I'm sorry...lol.. the stuff you wrote that I just quoted.. I mean man, if you really believe that.

I try to be neutral with this stuff....not delusional.

edit- wait Goff = Ken Dorsey now?

That's hilariously ironic. You always whine about it when I "pick only certain parts" of your post yet here you are doing it yourself. Hypocrite much?

Originally posted by Stud:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Why would the coaches put Kap back in? Gabbert has looked 100x better and has been more productive than Kap. That's the definition of "best chance to win." He WON that spot, fair and square.

I'm not disappointed a single bit with how Gabbert has handled taking over the starting role. Nobody thought he was going to come in and take us to the playoffs or the Super Bowl. But he at least looks like an NFL QB.

Kap was never an NFL QB. He should have been playing TE or WR. Even better, he should have played baseball. Gabbert can do everything Kap can, and you don't have to teach him the basics of being a QB 5 years into his career.

yes I'm picking certain parts of your post... But I don't know if I should continue this conversation if you really believe this stuff.

It's extreme/bias/ and flat out a lie.

any other person who believes in Gabbert that would like to continue this discussion, I'm down.

for you Jedediah, I'll look at the content of your post and see if you have anything...Later tonight or tomorrow. But again I'm sorry...lol.. the stuff you wrote that I just quoted.. I mean man, if you really believe that.

I try to be neutral with this stuff....not delusional.

edit- wait Goff = Ken Dorsey now?

That's hilariously ironic. You always whine about it when I "pick only certain parts" of your post yet here you are doing it yourself. Hypocrite much?

I thought the funniest part was when he says he tries to be neutral with this stuff

Originally posted by aTx49er:

Originally posted by Stud:

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Why would the coaches put Kap back in? Gabbert has looked 100x better and has been more productive than Kap. That's the definition of "best chance to win." He WON that spot, fair and square.

I'm not disappointed a single bit with how Gabbert has handled taking over the starting role. Nobody thought he was going to come in and take us to the playoffs or the Super Bowl. But he at least looks like an NFL QB.

Kap was never an NFL QB. He should have been playing TE or WR. Even better, he should have played baseball. Gabbert can do everything Kap can, and you don't have to teach him the basics of being a QB 5 years into his career.

yes I'm picking certain parts of your post... But I don't know if I should continue this conversation if you really believe this stuff.

It's extreme/bias/ and flat out a lie.

any other person who believes in Gabbert that would like to continue this discussion, I'm down.

for you Jedediah, I'll look at the content of your post and see if you have anything...Later tonight or tomorrow. But again I'm sorry...lol.. the stuff you wrote that I just quoted.. I mean man, if you really believe that.

I try to be neutral with this stuff....not delusional.

edit- wait Goff = Ken Dorsey now?

That's hilariously ironic. You always whine about it when I "pick only certain parts" of your post yet here you are doing it yourself. Hypocrite much?

I thought the funniest part was when he says he tries to be neutral with this stuff

I explain why Stud. I wasn't trying to be slick like you do.

and yes I try to be neutral.

go back the past few pages and show me where I'm being extremely bias..to the point of delusion.

I ask a couple of questions earlier. How about you two answer them as well.

edit- wait, let's see how others should take yall's credibility. Do you agree with everything Jedediah wrote in what I quoted? Don't shy away now.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by jedediahyork:
Well, Gabbert did better, with worse personnel.

BOOM

I thought that at first, but that isn't really true. Gabbert hasn't had Vernon, but now we know Kap was probably better off without him too. Gabbert hasn't had Hyde, but he was only effective in 2 games.

And they actually tweaked the most important part (OL) and made it better. I'm sure Kap would've traded Vernon for better Olinemen. I like Gabbert, but he's not doing more with less.

The only substantial change was in the last game when Brown started and Pears slid into guard.

The move to Kilgore at center was also better in the last game but in the two prior his PFF grades were only slightly better than Martin's better games.

Also, Gabbert never had a healthy Celek. He has gone with McDroppsies and rookie Bell.

Draughn was a lucky find but not better than Hyde, plus it took him a while to get the protections down.

Lots of ground already covered here. Gabbert is just a better fit right now.

Originally posted by dj43:

The only substantial change was in the last game when Brown started and Pears slid into guard.

The move to Kilgore at center was also better in the last game but in the two prior his PFF grades were only slightly better than Martin's better games.

Also, Gabbert never had a healthy Celek. He has gone with McDroppsies and rookie Bell.

Draughn was a lucky find but not better than Hyde, plus it took him a while to get the protections down.

Lots of ground already covered here. Gabbert is just a better fit right now.

Yes would be nice to have Celek, but I think the Oline changes were just as, if not more important.

Gabbert has looked better, but they both had awful supporting casts

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Jakemall:

So what?

hey Jake, you want to take a stab at those questions I threw out earlier?

1 speculative at best. I do have to wonder if he has been playing hurt and how much that impacted him. If it didn't then I would think Gabbert is the clear choice.

2. If he would for that reason then shame on him. Can't read minds though.