Blaine Gabbert

Originally posted by GreatGabbert:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Let's be fair, 3 of Gabbert's INTs were 100% not his fault.

that being said, Gabbert did have 3 other INTs even while playing conservative checkdown style. In comparison to Kaepernick's 5.

Gabbert also had/has the better Oline.

The interception he threw to Simpson a couple games back was 50/50 at worst. Simpson had his hands on it before the defender ripped it out. Better receiver would have held that and maybe turned it into a TD.

Simpson took his time, trying too hard not to drop the pass

Originally posted by T-9ers:

Are there really Niner fans entertaining the thought of keeping Gabbert? That's crazy. The guy don't have it.

considering theres nobody better right now, yup. it looks like another season of Gabbert while a rookie sits a year and starts year 2. I DO NOT want them ruining a rookie qb by starting them too early.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
I get the optimism, but the only 36 total games thing doesn't work for me. He has been in the league for a while now. A lot of people wish they got 36 games. Everyone likes to say how much time Alex got, but that is rare. I'm not saying it won't work out for him, but I just don't see the massive improvement needed coming to become a quality starting QB.

And frankly I have no interest in investing 2-3 years of average quarterbacking to find out. I just did that with Kap, not interested in doing it again.

I thought I was pretty clear that my comment was pretty neutral. I can see his ceiling but I have no idea if he'll ever be in a situation where he can reach it (i.e. having the parts around him + his own personal growth). I'm with you and everyone who thinks we should not stay pat and count on Blaine. If there is a QB out there that has a higher ceiling than Blaine and could be expected to compete in 2017 and raise the bar, you've got to do it. In the meantime, like you said, build up the pieces (esp. coaching and scheme and play calling) around him (add that Z WR, healthy RB's, OL, etc.) and let's see how far we can take it. If his floor is "bridge QB" then that is fine too. If he reaches that #10 overall level, that's a bonus...but don't count on that.

I just pray that rare "Franchise QB" is there for us...if Baalke really did prefer Dalton over Kaepernick, then those are the types of QB molds we should be looking at.

Oh, I got your comment was neutral. I wasn't mad, just stating I didn't think he was worth the wait.

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by T-9ers:
Are there really Niner fans entertaining the thought of keeping Gabbert? That's crazy. The guy don't have it.

considering theres nobody better right now, yup. it looks like another season of Gabbert while a rookie sits a year and starts year 2. I DO NOT want them ruining a rookie qb by starting them too early.

as a backup, we could do much much worse, he has also turned out to be a respected vet or at least has the respect of the team. that is an intangible we sorely lack.

Gabbert kinda getting messed up. If he look deep to Torrey on a sideline streak, he would have to wait for Torrey to get open about 15+yds downfield, when Torrey can eat up the CB's cushion. Before he could make a check down to Hayne, guys like Tiller would give up pressure up the middle. Then Gabbert avoids a sure sack with a niffy escape. He threaten the first down marker and made the defender come up to make a tackle on him, leaving Blake Bell wide open. Gabbert threw a nice ball on run to Bell that bounced off Bell for an incompletion.

Such is life on the 2015 49ers.

cc forgot to say it does not matter what qb we draft, you have to have a coach who can work with them, and teach them. we do not have those people on our staff but i digress. this has nothing to do with the original topic

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:
I get the optimism, but the only 36 total games thing doesn't work for me. He has been in the league for a while now. A lot of people wish they got 36 games. Everyone likes to say how much time Alex got, but that is rare. I'm not saying it won't work out for him, but I just don't see the massive improvement needed coming to become a quality starting QB.

And frankly I have no interest in investing 2-3 years of average quarterbacking to find out. I just did that with Kap, not interested in doing it again.

I thought I was pretty clear that my comment was pretty neutral. I can see his ceiling but I have no idea if he'll ever be in a situation where he can reach it (i.e. having the parts around him + his own personal growth). I'm with you and everyone who thinks we should not stay pat and count on Blaine. If there is a QB out there that has a higher ceiling than Blaine and could be expected to compete in 2017 and raise the bar, you've got to do it. In the meantime, like you said, build up the pieces (esp. coaching and scheme and play calling) around him (add that Z WR, healthy RB's, OL, etc.) and let's see how far we can take it. If his floor is "bridge QB" then that is fine too. If he reaches that #10 overall level, that's a bonus...but don't count on that.

I just pray that rare "Franchise QB" is there for us...if Baalke really did prefer Dalton over Kaepernick, then those are the types of QB molds we should be looking at.

Oh, I got your comment was neutral. I wasn't mad, just stating I didn't think he was worth the wait.

Fair enough...7 games (with us) for me, is just too small of a sample size esp. in the context of things to make an assertion one way or another. All we know is he made big strides from his time in Jacksonville...and he's basically playing for Jacksonville again. If you don't expect anything to change around him (i.e. Baalke hiring a new coaching staff, not bringing in any quality personnel, etc.) then yes, this is about as good as it gets and I highly doubt a rookie would add anything more (even if he is the second-coming of Tom Brady). Fingers crossed your instincts are wrong!

Originally posted by cciowa:
cc forgot to say it does not matter what qb we draft, you have to have a coach who can work with them, and teach them. we do not have those people on our staff but i digress. this has nothing to do with the original topic

Yes, but if this coaching staff actually goes away in another year, the future QB on the roster could be the chip that lures a good HC and staff to the job.

Originally posted by walker807:
considering theres nobody better right now, yup. it looks like another season of Gabbert while a rookie sits a year and starts year 2. I DO NOT want them ruining a rookie qb by starting them too early.

I see the "lay of the land" pretty much the same way. Unless there is a pleasant surprise, it looks like any QB the 9ers would draft would most likely greatly benefit from not being thrown into the fire right away.* I guess it is possible that management will somehow acquire a free agent QB that is significantly better the Gabbert, but that seems unlikely to me at the moment. If that is right, then the best we can hope is that things gel the right way and Gabbert plays reasonably to really well next year so that the games are more worth watching.

*Especially if we keep the too disfunctional coaching and management people in place.

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by T-9ers:
Are there really Niner fans entertaining the thought of keeping Gabbert? That's crazy. The guy don't have it.

considering theres nobody better right now, yup. it looks like another season of Gabbert while a rookie sits a year and starts year 2. I DO NOT want them ruining a rookie qb by starting them too early.

as a backup, we could do much much worse, he has also turned out to be a respected vet or at least has the respect of the team. that is an intangible we sorely lack.

Are you sure Blaine perceives himself as a back up? From what I've heard of him is that he believes he is a starter. Then it starts getting tricky with what is the contract length and salary desired of a QB who isn't quite good enough to be a starter but may be slightly better than the league's average back up? Are we drafting QB or are we rebuilding the line or are we just going bpa? Maybe Blaine wants multiple years.

Originally posted by T-9ers:

Originally posted by cciowa:

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by T-9ers:
Are there really Niner fans entertaining the thought of keeping Gabbert? That's crazy. The guy don't have it.

considering theres nobody better right now, yup. it looks like another season of Gabbert while a rookie sits a year and starts year 2. I DO NOT want them ruining a rookie qb by starting them too early.

as a backup, we could do much much worse, he has also turned out to be a respected vet or at least has the respect of the team. that is an intangible we sorely lack.

Are you sure Blaine perceives himself as a back up? From what I've heard of him is that he believes he is a starter. Then it starts getting tricky with what is the contract length and salary desired of a QB who isn't quite good enough to be a starter but may be slightly better than the league's average back up? Are we drafting QB or are we rebuilding the line or are we just going bpa? Maybe Blaine wants multiple years.

I dunno, I don't think Blaine has done THAT bad considering our Oline is a hot mess (and that's compared to what it was earlier this season) and we're playing with 3rd and 4th string RBs. That's tough for anyone to overcome.

Originally posted by Jakemall:
I dunno, I don't think Blaine has done THAT bad considering our Oline is a hot mess (and that's compared to what it was earlier this season) and we're playing with 3rd and 4th string RBs. That's tough for anyone to overcome.

No, I agree with that, he hasn't done bad considering the circumstances, but can he win a playoff game, can he win a Super Bowl? No he can't is my opinion and if that's not the goal, then what exactly is?

I want to see what Blaine can do with a real OC and a decent OL

Originally posted by Rubberneck36:

Originally posted by cciowa:
cc forgot to say it does not matter what qb we draft, you have to have a coach who can work with them, and teach them. we do not have those people on our staff but i digress. this has nothing to do with the original topic

Yes, but if this coaching staff actually goes away in another year, the future QB on the roster could be the chip that lures a good HC and staff to the job.

by then the kids confidence will be shot not to mention his body because as you know,, this current staff thinks the o line is fine, jt thinks pears is fine.

Originally posted by T-9ers:

Originally posted by Jakemall:
I dunno, I don't think Blaine has done THAT bad considering our Oline is a hot mess (and that's compared to what it was earlier this season) and we're playing with 3rd and 4th string RBs. That's tough for anyone to overcome.

No, I agree with that, he hasn't done bad considering the circumstances, but can he win a playoff game, can he win a Super Bowl? No he can't is my opinion and if that's not the goal, then what exactly is?

i just want to have a qb and team who can be competitive in games and beat teams like the browns before i worry about winning a super bowl