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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Yup this...I don't know if it was the right decision but it was made. Like you said Baalke thought he had the talent to makeup for JT and his merry men lol...but we went on and had one of the worst off seasons in NFL history and it blew up in baalkes face. I think he needs to man up say he was wrong by getting rid of JT and Co and hire a offensive minded coach with some kind of history as a winner.

This is why I'm not gonna be upset if we lose the rest of our games because Baalke might be forced to let him go. If we win a couple more games (meaningless wins) they might feel like keeping him around for another season of crap.

This will be a huge off season!

For that Baalke should be fired.
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
What's wrong with the first two points you made? You don't think Eddie D didn't want some respect from his coach and players?

After the off season with all the lost personal they weren't gonna have a good season even if harbs was the coach. It sucks losing him because he wants to win more than anyone else, but he has a college mentality and needs to be in total control....that's not gonna work in the NFL another perfect example is chip Kelly, look how the Eagles are doing currently

No. Harbs and his staff is LIGHT YEARS ahead of JT and his staff. It's really not even close.

Chip Kelly is doing a lot more with 2 terrible QB's in Bradford and Foles. Imagine JT on that staff. Trash.
Originally posted by thirthyeight:
Gabberts not a long term solution. Though, out of College one would have thought so. There have been chinks in his mental armour exposed long ago. Some of which he may have fixed, but some we know he hasn't.

His personal snubbing of Hayne in 2 different games, shows he is not a leader, nor likeable. It will be exposed with on field performance as well. A player with as much riding on his mental decisions, the correct ones, cant afford to have deformed mental traits. Even if it is just churlishness... because that effects leadership and decision making.

Gabbert is a QB picked too high in a bad QB draft. Sound familliar? That's what's going to happen to a desperate team this year. Take a look at that draft. So many QBs picked higher than they should have. Locker, Gabbert and Ponder had no business getting picked so high. But desperate franchises with delusional fans do dumb things.
Originally posted by Blindfury:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
What's wrong with the first two points you made? You don't think Eddie D didn't want some respect from his coach and players?

After the off season with all the lost personal they weren't gonna have a good season even if harbs was the coach. It sucks losing him because he wants to win more than anyone else, but he has a college mentality and needs to be in total control....that's not gonna work in the NFL another perfect example is chip Kelly, look how the Eagles are doing currently

No. Harbs and his staff is LIGHT YEARS ahead of JT and his staff. It's really not even close.

Chip Kelly is doing a lot more with 2 terrible QB's in Bradford and Foles. Imagine JT on that staff. Trash.


Eh...the Eagles are kind of a mess..I agree with you that JT isn't very good and shouldn't be a NFL head coach. But Chip Is a f**king mess. He should never have been allowed to pick his own players, Bradford is trash, their run blockers all got kicked to the curb, they have no receivers, the D is full of talented guys who cant stay healthy add to that the fact that as a coach he still doesn't get the basic concepts of ball control and he has a me first attitude with his players and the Eagles are a shambles. They are barely in the hunt for winning in one of the worst divisions in football.
Originally posted by Blindfury:
Gabbert is a QB picked too high in a bad QB draft. Sound familliar? That's what's going to happen to a desperate team this year. Take a look at that draft. So many QBs picked higher than they should have. Locker, Gabbert and Ponder had no business getting picked so high. But desperate franchises with delusional fans do dumb things.

Curious about this post. Desperate franchises do dumb things and QBs get over drafted. That is a given. But where do delusional fans come into this? Or are you referring to your fellow posters?
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Blindfury:
Gabbert is a QB picked too high in a bad QB draft. Sound familliar? That's what's going to happen to a desperate team this year. Take a look at that draft. So many QBs picked higher than they should have. Locker, Gabbert and Ponder had no business getting picked so high. But desperate franchises with delusional fans do dumb things.

Curious about this post. Desperate franchises do dumb things and QBs get over drafted. That is a given. But where do delusional fans come into this? Or are you referring to your fellow posters?


No only that but, bad teams have to draft position of need....that is just how it is. Hopefully you get lucky. Picking BPA is the luxury of a team stocked with talent.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Besides winning I would say the following are priorities:
Getting their share of public credit for the success of the franchise.
Getting more respect from their coach.
They would include the CEO, President and Baalke to some extent.
Why do you think they made the decisions they made? They could not have thought they were going to improve with what they did this past offseason, if they did they are more incompetent than I though.

What's wrong with the first two points you made? You don't think Eddie D didn't want some respect from his coach and players?

After the off season with all the lost personal they weren't gonna have a good season even if harbs was the coach. It sucks losing him because he wants to win more than anyone else, but he has a college mentality and needs to be in total control....that's not gonna work in the NFL another perfect example is chip Kelly, look how the Eagles are doing currently

Eddie never let those things lead to a situation like the 49er FO led the team into this year.
Some talent was lost. other talent was willingly let go and little talent was brought in to replace the losses.
Belichick has total control. I am not sure the 49ers need that but they need a football person leading football operations IMO.
Originally posted by Joecool:
Just noticed that SEA drops down the safety to the multiple receiver side on the Cover 4 and any back side flat route is wide open.

I don't think we are going to see any cover 4. Think that was mainly a respect to how ARI is always aggressive with the deep ball.

It's only open because there's no receiving threat in the flat. With no receiving threat to that side, the hook/curl defender is dropping to help against any comeback routes on that side. a flood on side with a curl/flat or comeback/flat concept to the opposite side would be a good option. However, it does mean your line has to hold up well against the Seattle pass rush for a 5 step with a hitch drop.
Originally posted by Blindfury:
No. Harbs and his staff is LIGHT YEARS ahead of JT and his staff. It's really not even close.

Chip Kelly is doing a lot more with 2 terrible QB's in Bradford and Foles. Imagine JT on that staff. Trash.

Who said he is better???? Chip Kelly got rid of Foles who was doing well in that system and he gave up a 2nd round pick for Bradford as well (he's looked like garbage) they are what 4-5 in a horrible division?

No one is saying JT is good not sure where your getting that? I want he's ass out
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Eddie never let those things lead to a situation like the 49er FO led the team into this year.
Some talent was lost. other talent was willingly let go and little talent was brought in to replace the losses.
Belichick has total control. I am not sure the 49ers need that but they need a football person leading football operations IMO.

Players that were willingly let go wanted too much cash...you gonna pay a OG more than what your LT is making? Cully is getting $8 million a year and can't even stay on the field man. Crabtree was offered more her but wanted a one year prove it deal to get more cash. Minus this Yrs FA Baalke has been pretty stellar there.

We have no idea what it was like to work with harbs and everywhere he's coached it's been documented that he was a strange guy. They simply didn't want to commit to him for 5 more years it happens. Good coaches get let go all the time.

There are some good up in coming coaches that would do well in SF, enough dwelling in the past let's look to the future. I see JT as a bridge QB until we find our franchise guy ( hopefully this off season).
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Originally posted by jonnydel:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Just noticed that SEA drops down the safety to the multiple receiver side on the Cover 4 and any back side flat route is wide open.

I don't think we are going to see any cover 4. Think that was mainly a respect to how ARI is always aggressive with the deep ball.

It's only open because there's no receiving threat in the flat. With no receiving threat to that side, the hook/curl defender is dropping to help against any comeback routes on that side. a flood on side with a curl/flat or comeback/flat concept to the opposite side would be a good option. However, it does mean your line has to hold up well against the Seattle pass rush for a 5 step with a hitch drop.
On those plays where SEA shows a 2 deep safety look, then rotates a safety down, I think that's a disguised cover3. The safety rotating down is playing as a hook defender that will match any route coming through his zone. This is a way for them to combat three level floods.
The deep 1/3 sideline defender gets run off downfield, the flat defender takes the low read. The safety (hook defender) takes the intermediate route. The play you cut up is a good example, but Palmer uses great ball location to steer Fitz to open space, which you pointed out.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/177595-blaine-real-american-gabbert/page261/#post3908

Instead of playing the hook zone with a LB and asking that LB to turn and run with the intermediate route, SEA assigns a safety as the hook defender which is a better matchup (safety vs WR). The LB takes the flat vs RB (better matchup). Looking at the other safety (Kam), Kam is head up on the Center. So he's in the middle of the formation, playing what I think is deep middle 1/3.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Eddie never let those things lead to a situation like the 49er FO led the team into this year.
Some talent was lost. other talent was willingly let go and little talent was brought in to replace the losses.
Belichick has total control. I am not sure the 49ers need that but they need a football person leading football operations IMO.

Players that were willingly let go wanted too much cash...you gonna pay a OG more than what your LT is making? Cully is getting $8 million a year and can't even stay on the field man. Crabtree was offered more her but wanted a one year prove it deal to get more cash. Minus this Yrs FA Baalke has been pretty stellar there.

We have no idea what it was like to work with harbs and everywhere he's coached it's been documented that he was a strange guy. They simply didn't want to commit to him for 5 more years it happens. Good coaches get let go all the time.

There are some good up in coming coaches that would do well in SF, enough dwelling in the past let's look to the future. I see JT as a bridge QB until we find our franchise guy ( hopefully this off season).

They had money and didn't spend it and now look at how little talent there is on the roster. Baalke, York and Marathe all were part of the mess that was the 49ers before Harbaugh came to town and they created the mess that came after they ran him out of town and the team seems to have no direction just like it had no direction prior to Harbaugh being hired. I wish there were signs of a future with looking forward to but I don't see them right now.
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
They had money and didn't spend it and now look at how little talent there is on the roster. Baalke, York and Marathe all were part of the mess that was the 49ers before Harbaugh came to town and they created the mess that came after they ran him out of town and the team seems to have no direction just like it had no direction prior to Harbaugh being hired. I wish there were signs of a future with looking forward to but I don't see them right now.

What money? They didn't have all that cash until most of FA was done. They WILL have over 50+ million this upcoming off season.
Originally posted by thl408:
On those plays where SEA shows a 2 deep safety look, then rotates a safety down, I think that's a disguised cover3. The safety rotating down is playing as a hook defender that will match any route coming through his zone. This is a way for them to combat three level floods.
The deep 1/3 sideline defender gets run off downfield, the flat defender takes the low read. The safety (hook defender) takes the intermediate route. The play you cut up is a good example, but Palmer uses great ball location to steer Fitz to open space, which you pointed out.
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/177595-blaine-real-american-gabbert/page261/#post3908

Instead of playing the hook zone with a LB and asking that LB to turn and run with the intermediate route, SEA assigns a safety as the hook defender which is a better matchup (safety vs WR). The LB takes the flat vs RB (better matchup). Looking at the other safety (Kam), Kam is head up on the Center. So he's in the middle of the formation, playing what I think is deep middle 1/3.

Is this primarily so the defense is in position to tackle down hill rather than trying to bat the ball and risk 5+ yards of RAC?
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Is this primarily so the defense is in position to tackle down hill rather than trying to bat the ball and risk 5+ yards of RAC?
I posted my response here:
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/niners/183851-week-atl-falcons-coaches-film-analysis/page11/#post156
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