Marvin,
Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.
Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.
Very few great QB's are stupid.
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Nov 18, 2013 at 1:54 PM
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Nov 18, 2013 at 1:58 PM
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Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Marvin,
Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.
Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.
Very few great QB's are stupid.
He's not stupid by any stretch.
The TO was probably because he didn't in that moment realize that 2 had been used on failed reviews. A mistake, no doubt...but one I can kinda give him a pass on. What I can't give a pass on is the guy who aligned incorrectly forcing the entire situation.
Running out of bounds? He was trying to make a play and to protect himself as has been preached to him...but it was a really, really bad decision. No excuse on that one. Poor decision that haunted them later.
Nov 18, 2013 at 1:59 PM
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Originally posted by ninerfreak:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by AMBITION:
Regarding your last comment, Kaepernick had nothing to do with how closely we played the Saints; It was our defense that kept us in the game. Kaepernick caught a huge break when the Saints DB coughed up the pick 6 which turned into a touchback. Therefore, I'm not even that mad about the penalty at the end which negated Brees' fumble; we were supposed to lose that game, anyway, because of awful Qb play.
Sure, Kaep caught a huge break when the DB coughed up the ball into the end zone for a touchback. But notice that it was Kaep who chased him down and tackled him. Many QB's don't do that or just go through the motions. Sometimes you make your own breaks. That play was one of the best he made all day.
Kapexcuse #321 ?
dude did throw an int still...sh!t is sh!t no matter how much perfume you try to disguise it with lol
Yeah, he threw 1 pic all day. So did Brees.
Not sure you know what the word "excuse" means.
Nov 18, 2013 at 2:01 PM
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Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Marvin,
Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.
Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.
Very few great QB's are stupid.
I have no reference to call him smart or stupid, and really he's probably pretty smart, though probably not a genius.
However, his quick responses with the press, while at first I thought were smart, now seems to come from a man without layers to his thinking. I know most press questions are dumb, but to see Luck and Wilson expertly play the press, it shows that they have 'IT' when it comes to the brains department
Nov 18, 2013 at 2:02 PM
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Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by ninerfreak:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by AMBITION:
Regarding your last comment, Kaepernick had nothing to do with how closely we played the Saints; It was our defense that kept us in the game. Kaepernick caught a huge break when the Saints DB coughed up the pick 6 which turned into a touchback. Therefore, I'm not even that mad about the penalty at the end which negated Brees' fumble; we were supposed to lose that game, anyway, because of awful Qb play.
Sure, Kaep caught a huge break when the DB coughed up the ball into the end zone for a touchback. But notice that it was Kaep who chased him down and tackled him. Many QB's don't do that or just go through the motions. Sometimes you make your own breaks. That play was one of the best he made all day.
Kapexcuse #321 ?
dude did throw an int still...sh!t is sh!t no matter how much perfume you try to disguise it with lol
Yeah, he threw 1 pic all day. So did Brees.
Not sure you know what the word "excuse" means.
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Nov 18, 2013 at 2:02 PM
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Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Marvin,
Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.
Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.
Very few great QB's are stupid.
He's not stupid by any stretch.
The TO was probably because he didn't in that moment realize that 2 had been used on failed reviews. A mistake, no doubt...but one I can kinda give him a pass on. What I can't give a pass on is the guy who aligned incorrectly forcing the entire situation.
Running out of bounds? He was trying to make a play and to protect himself as has been preached to him...but it was a really, really bad decision. No excuse on that one. Poor decision that haunted them later.
He so frequently needs to call TO's, either someone should have reminded him, or he should have noted it himself that he had none left. I know it's a small point. I see him as tremendously gifted, but I don't see a lot of evidence of smart.
Nov 18, 2013 at 2:04 PM
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Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Marvin,
Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.
Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.
Very few great QB's are stupid.
He's not stupid by any stretch.
The TO was probably because he didn't in that moment realize that 2 had been used on failed reviews. A mistake, no doubt...but one I can kinda give him a pass on. What I can't give a pass on is the guy who aligned incorrectly forcing the entire situation.
Running out of bounds? He was trying to make a play and to protect himself as has been preached to him...but it was a really, really bad decision. No excuse on that one. Poor decision that haunted them later.
He so frequently needs to call TO's, either someone should have reminded him, or he should have noted it himself that he had none left. I know it's a small point. I see him as tremendously gifted, but I don't see a lot of evidence of smart.
No worries.
It was a mistake. That's not in question...but I think he kinda got stuck.
The guy wouldn't line up correctly. He was yelling at him to move and the guy couldn't hear him. In frustration he called timeout...and then ralized they didn't have any.
It's a mistake, no question. I just kinda give him a pass because of the situation.
Nov 18, 2013 at 2:04 PM
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Originally posted by ClassicNiner:he has to know he has none left, thats his job. whether he used them, failed challenges cost us them or the D used all 3 of them. he has to know there is zero left. just feels so f**ked up that i knew sitting on my couch (without looking at the graphic on the screen) but yet he didnt.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Marvin,
Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.
Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.
Very few great QB's are stupid.
He's not stupid by any stretch.
The TO was probably because he didn't in that moment realize that 2 had been used on failed reviews. A mistake, no doubt...but one I can kinda give him a pass on. What I can't give a pass on is the guy who aligned incorrectly forcing the entire situation.
Running out of bounds? He was trying to make a play and to protect himself as has been preached to him...but it was a really, really bad decision. No excuse on that one. Poor decision that haunted them later.
He so frequently needs to call TO's, either someone should have reminded him, or he should have noted it himself that he had none left. I know it's a small point. I see him as tremendously gifted, but I don't see a lot of evidence of smart.
Nov 18, 2013 at 2:04 PM
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Originally posted by Big_Daddy:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Marvin,
Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.
Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.
Very few great QB's are stupid.
I have no reference to call him smart or stupid, and really he's probably pretty smart, though probably not a genius.
However, his quick responses with the press, while at first I thought were smart, now seems to come from a man without layers to his thinking. I know most press questions are dumb, but to see Luck and Wilson expertly play the press, it shows that they have 'IT' when it comes to the brains department
I suspect that he is not as smart as those guys, although Frank doesn't answer questions well either, and he is football smart!
Nov 18, 2013 at 2:08 PM
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I guess in his defense you could argue that he had lots to think about and was getting knocked around, while you were just lying on your couch, but in fact I totally agree, he shoulda but he didn't.
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:he has to know he has none left, thats his job. whether he used them, failed challenges cost us them or the D used all 3 of them. he has to know there is zero left. just feels so f**ked up that i knew sitting on my couch (without looking at the graphic on the screen) but yet he didnt.
Originally posted by Marvin49:
Originally posted by ClassicNiner:
Marvin,
Great post, as usual. Sorry to see you taking flak for being nuanced and reasonable. That's not what some people want to hear the day after a second close loss.
Please clear something up for me - is CK smart or stupid? We all agree he has great physical gifts. But he made 2 really dumb plays yesterday, calling a time out when they were used up and running out of bounds near the end of the game. Both these show unawareness of the situation. Also, he doesn't seem to see the rush sometimes, and just overall looks confused. I think you called him smart somewhere in this thread. I am not disagreeing with you, but wonder what you mean by that.
Very few great QB's are stupid.
He's not stupid by any stretch.
The TO was probably because he didn't in that moment realize that 2 had been used on failed reviews. A mistake, no doubt...but one I can kinda give him a pass on. What I can't give a pass on is the guy who aligned incorrectly forcing the entire situation.
Running out of bounds? He was trying to make a play and to protect himself as has been preached to him...but it was a really, really bad decision. No excuse on that one. Poor decision that haunted them later.
He so frequently needs to call TO's, either someone should have reminded him, or he should have noted it himself that he had none left. I know it's a small point. I see him as tremendously gifted, but I don't see a lot of evidence of smart.
I guess in his defense you could argue that he had lots to think about and was getting knocked around, while you were just lying on your couch, but in fact I totally agree, he shoulda but he didn't.
Nov 18, 2013 at 2:11 PM
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i still has a sad after losing
Nov 18, 2013 at 2:12 PM
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Lol exactly you're sitting on you couch. Please don't compare your situation to Kaps. If it was Kap getting the play off late I'd be passed. That wasn't the situation though. Your questioning his intelligence when the whole reason he was trying to call a timeout was because someone couldn't line up correctly. Carrier had one person to worry about meanwhile Kap has to make sure 10 others are in the right spot. But sure, Kaps the idiot here...Originally posted by crabman82:he has to know he has none left, thats his job. whether he used them, failed challenges cost us them or the D used all 3 of them. he has to know there is zero left. just feels so f**ked up that i knew sitting on my couch (without looking at the graphic on the screen) but yet he didnt.
Nov 18, 2013 at 2:13 PM
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Originally posted by Dsoto87:
Originally posted by crabman82:Lol exactly you're sitting on you couch. Please don't compare your situation to Kaps. If it was Kap getting the play off late I'd be passed. That wasn't the situation though. Your questioning his intelligence when the whole reason he was trying to call a timeout was because someone couldn't line up correctly. Carrier had one person to worry about meanwhile Kap has to make sure 10 others are in the right spot. But sure, Kaps the idiot here...
he has to know he has none left, thats his job. whether he used them, failed challenges cost us them or the D used all 3 of them. he has to know there is zero left. just feels so f**ked up that i knew sitting on my couch (without looking at the graphic on the screen) but yet he didnt.
i'm questioning his situational awareness in certain spots during a game. you're the one who made the jump to intelligence level.
Nov 18, 2013 at 2:17 PM
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Uh yea... you don't get 4 timeouts lolOriginally posted by Dsoto87:Lol exactly you're sitting on you couch. Please don't compare yoour situation to Kaps. If it was Kap getting the play off late I'd be passed. That wasn't the situation though. Your questioning his intelligence when the whole reason he was trying to call a timeout was because someone couldn't line up correctly. Carrier had one person to worry about meanwhile Kap has to make sure 10 others are in the right spot. But sure, Kaps the idiot here...Originally posted by crabman82:he has to know he has none left, thats his job. whether he used them, failed challenges cost us them or the D used all 3 of them. he has to know there is zero left. just feels so f**ked up that i knew sitting on my couch (without looking at the graphic on the screen) but yet he didnt.
Nov 18, 2013 at 2:18 PM
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Originally posted by Team49ers:
Originally posted by crabman82:
Originally posted by 9erReign:
OK you guys got me. We beat the Cards. That is the best team we beat this year. I feel so foolish now. Losing to all the probable playoff teams we played this year isn't concerning at all.
its totally concerning, those painting it as not concerning are not being honest with themselves.
Another way to look at it is better to lose to them now, than in the playoffs.
This!
Let's get that 6th seed. Beat NFC North/East winner, then revenge against NO, then SEA on our way to the SB!