SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS VS SEATTLE SEAHAWKS GAMEDAY THREAD (WEEK 14)

No QB has "shined" vs us all season except A Rod and I don't see any reason that Wilson will all of a sudden have a stellar day vs our very balanced defense. I think this game will be a defensive effort and that we will come out on top

Originally posted by ECLaloosh:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by ECLaloosh:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:

ill take Kap. wilson is good too but kap is bigger and will be effective even if he slows down. all wilson has is his legs, keep him in the pocket and hes gonna be hitting linemen in the back of the head.wilson is a great passer but he has to be on the run out from behind the pocket to throw most of the time

The funny thing about Wilson I noticed during MNF is that Wilson's only successful because his o-line is making throwing lanes for him so that he never has to scan the field directly behind the pocket (post-traditional-snap), due to his size limitations.

When Russell sees those lanes clogged (cause even I'll admit, he's adequate at reading defenses), he'll either just extend his drop, or runs off the edge to ease DEs/CBs out of zone reads. Wilson throws those 'rainbows', but people fail to notice that he only completes a pass for over 20+ yards maybe twice a game (his stats are padded with 6-7 yard completions, compensated by 3rd & 2 Lynch conversions).

Their offense is balanced, and that's why they're getting it done, plain and simple. If Marshawn Lynch wasn't on this team, Russell Wilson would be struggling just as bad as Kap, except Wilson's problems wouldn't be easy to fix given his height.

According to the internet, he's passed for 20+ yards on 41 occasions (~20% of all completions) in 2013 over 12 games with an average Y/C of 32.3 for 1,323yds and 6 TDs.

He's ranked 2nd in the entire league in Y/A (8.8) and 3rd in Y/C (13.5). Must be some serious padding of 6-7 yard completions.

LOL I knew somebody was gonna get butt-hurt over that post.

How so? I was intrigued by the post. Decided to actually look it up because I'd not heard THAT claim made before. Of course you didn't bother to look it up before using it as a pillar in your criticism.

Can't argue about his vision behind the line because I'm sure it's an issue. As you said (and it's been called out before), he creates space by dropping back a bit until he sees what he needs or he squirts out the side. He's thrown plenty from the pocket when he has time and he's accurate as hell so I don't buy what you're selling but you had some legitimate observations mingled into your post.

Kap will squirt on that little squirt Sunday.

Originally posted by ECLaloosh:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by ECLaloosh:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
ill take Kap. wilson is good too but kap is bigger and will be effective even if he slows down. all wilson has is his legs, keep him in the pocket and hes gonna be hitting linemen in the back of the head.wilson is a great passer but he has to be on the run out from behind the pocket to throw most of the time

The funny thing about Wilson I noticed during MNF is that Wilson's only successful because his o-line is making throwing lanes for him so that he never has to scan the field directly behind the pocket (post-traditional-snap), due to his size limitations.

When Russell sees those lanes clogged (cause even I'll admit, he's adequate at reading defenses), he'll either just extend his drop, or runs off the edge to ease DEs/CBs out of zone reads. Wilson throws those 'rainbows', but people fail to notice that he only completes a pass for over 20+ yards maybe twice a game (his stats are padded with 6-7 yard completions, compensated by 3rd & 2 Lynch conversions).

Their offense is balanced, and that's why they're getting it done, plain and simple. If Marshawn Lynch wasn't on this team, Russell Wilson would be struggling just as bad as Kap, except Wilson's problems wouldn't be easy to fix given his height.

According to the internet, he's passed for 20+ yards on 41 occasions (~20% of all completions) in 2013 over 12 games with an average Y/C of 32.3 for 1,323yds and 6 TDs.

He's ranked 2nd in the entire league in Y/A (8.8) and 3rd in Y/C (13.5). Must be some serious padding of 6-7 yard completions.

LOL I knew somebody was gonna get butt-hurt over that post.

How so? I was intrigued by the post. Decided to actually look it up because I'd not heard THAT claim made before. Of course you didn't bother to look it up before using it as a pillar in your criticism.

Can't argue about his vision behind the line because I'm sure it's an issue. As you said (and it's been called out before), he creates space by dropping back a bit until he sees what he needs or he squirts out the side. He's thrown plenty from the pocket when he has time and he's accurate as hell so I don't buy what you're selling but you had some legitimate observations mingled into your post.

those are fantastic numbers. RW throws a great deep ball, so I'm not surprised. Not sure how anyone can discount his ability as a passer.

Originally posted by HessianDud:
those are fantastic numbers. RW throws a great deep ball, so I'm not surprised. Not sure how anyone can discount his ability as a passer.

Thanks Hessian.

Kaep has also done it at approximately a 20% ratio (35 / 175 completions) for 20+, 1050 yds and 5 TDs.

He's also 4th in Y/C, which is a good thing considering overall ranking in passing offense. Just needs to work on his accuracy as it's cost him in Y/A and a few other areas.

Winning this game will possibly sway us as the favorites for the Superbowl. It reminds me of the NY Giants vs the Patriots in the regular season a few years back. Giants brought the physical to the Pats and went on a roll from there.

We have a chance to do something similar.

Originally posted by ECLaloosh:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by ECLaloosh:

Originally posted by SnakePlissken:

Originally posted by hondakillerzx:
ill take Kap. wilson is good too but kap is bigger and will be effective even if he slows down. all wilson has is his legs, keep him in the pocket and hes gonna be hitting linemen in the back of the head.wilson is a great passer but he has to be on the run out from behind the pocket to throw most of the time

The funny thing about Wilson I noticed during MNF is that Wilson's only successful because his o-line is making throwing lanes for him so that he never has to scan the field directly behind the pocket (post-traditional-snap), due to his size limitations.

When Russell sees those lanes clogged (cause even I'll admit, he's adequate at reading defenses), he'll either just extend his drop, or runs off the edge to ease DEs/CBs out of zone reads. Wilson throws those 'rainbows', but people fail to notice that he only completes a pass for over 20+ yards maybe twice a game (his stats are padded with 6-7 yard completions, compensated by 3rd & 2 Lynch conversions).

Their offense is balanced, and that's why they're getting it done, plain and simple. If Marshawn Lynch wasn't on this team, Russell Wilson would be struggling just as bad as Kap, except Wilson's problems wouldn't be easy to fix given his height.

According to the internet, he's passed for 20+ yards on 41 occasions (~20% of all completions) in 2013 over 12 games with an average Y/C of 32.3 for 1,323yds and 6 TDs.

He's ranked 2nd in the entire league in Y/A (8.8) and 3rd in Y/C (13.5). Must be some serious padding of 6-7 yard completions.

LOL I knew somebody was gonna get butt-hurt over that post.

How so? I was intrigued by the post. Decided to actually look it up because I'd not heard THAT claim made before. Of course you didn't bother to look it up before using it as a pillar in your criticism.

Can't argue about his vision behind the line because I'm sure it's an issue. As you said (and it's been called out before), he creates space by dropping back a bit until he sees what he needs or he squirts out the side. He's thrown plenty from the pocket when he has time and he's accurate as hell so I don't buy what you're selling but you had some legitimate observations mingled into your post.

Regarding 3rd and 2 situations (bolded above) in which Lynch has apparently bailed him out.

In 2013 SEA has been in a 3rd and 2 (or less) on 37 occasions, converting 21 times.

Of those 37 attempts:

• Marshawn has seen 13 carries for an average of 2.38 Y/A (went 9/13 for a TD or 1st down)
• Russell Wilson has had 5 carries (0.6 Y/A) and went 7/8 passing for 9.6 Y/A.

As you can see, they're more explosive (and efficient) when Wilson is passing on 3rd and 2 (or less). Though having him run certainly doesn't seem to work.

That said, you also seem to be wrong about Lynch carrying on 3rd and 2 (another pillar in your criticism) being a large part of RW's success. Both have 13 attempts, Wilson has twice the yardage (77 to Lynch's 31) and is more efficient in this situation when passing (which is what QB's tend to do).

Originally posted by Joecool:
Winning this game will possibly sway us as the favorites for the Superbowl. It reminds me of the NY Giants vs the Patriots in the regular season a few years back. Giants brought the physical to the Pats and went on a roll from there.

We have a chance to do something similar.

Depends if/how you win. If it's close by like 3 pts, the experts may chaulk it up to home field advantage (I think Vegas odds are still pointing to Niners by 3 pts), if it's a blow out, it would depend on your next few games. If you lose, I don't think the SB favorite talk is going your way.

Originally posted by zaghawk:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Winning this game will possibly sway us as the favorites for the Superbowl. It reminds me of the NY Giants vs the Patriots in the regular season a few years back. Giants brought the physical to the Pats and went on a roll from there.

We have a chance to do something similar.

Depends if/how you win. If it's close by like 3 pts, the experts may chaulk it up to home field advantage (I think Vegas odds are still pointing to Niners by 3 pts), if it's a blow out, it would depend on your next few games. If you lose, I don't think the SB favorite talk is going your way.

Guy on radio talking about how SEA never changes what they do on defense to game plan vs a particular player. They didn't do anything special vs Jimmy Graham.

Question: does Richard Sherman EVER play CB anywhere other than that LCB spot?

Originally posted by Joecool:
Guy on radio talking about how SEA never changes what they do on defense to game plan vs a particular player. They didn't do anything special vs Jimmy Graham.

Question: does Richard Sherman EVER play CB anywhere other than that LCB spot?

Week 2 he shadowed Boldin.

Originally posted by ECLaloosh:
Regarding 3rd and 2 situations (bolded above) in which Lynch has apparently bailed him out.

In 2013 SEA has been in a 3rd and 2 (or less) on 37 occasions, converting 21 times.

Of those 37 attempts:

• Marshawn has seen 13 carries for an average of 2.38 Y/A (went 9/13 for a TD or 1st down)
• Russell Wilson has had 5 carries (0.6 Y/A) and went 7/8 passing for 9.6 Y/A.

As you can see, they're more explosive (and efficient) when Wilson is passing on 3rd and 2 (or less). Though having him run certainly doesn't seem to work.

That said, you also seem to be wrong about Lynch carrying on 3rd and 2 (another pillar in your criticism) being a large part of RW's success. Both have 13 attempts, Wilson has twice the yardage (77 to Lynch's 31) and is more efficient in this situation when passing (which is what QB's tend to do).

Makes sense. The y/a are low, but that mostly has to do with 3rd & 2 being an "obvious running down". Defenses load the box, and offenses typically try to run downhill between the tackles. You don't expect a high y/a, but in that scenario all you need is 2 yards for the first. Wilson's 5 carries are probably qb sneaks right up the gut behind center. It's also a great down to take a play action/bootleg shot once in a while, hence 7/8 for 9.6 Y/A passing.

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by ECLaloosh:
Regarding 3rd and 2 situations (bolded above) in which Lynch has apparently bailed him out.

In 2013 SEA has been in a 3rd and 2 (or less) on 37 occasions, converting 21 times.

Of those 37 attempts:

• Marshawn has seen 13 carries for an average of 2.38 Y/A (went 9/13 for a TD or 1st down)
• Russell Wilson has had 5 carries (0.6 Y/A) and went 7/8 passing for 9.6 Y/A.

As you can see, they're more explosive (and efficient) when Wilson is passing on 3rd and 2 (or less). Though having him run certainly doesn't seem to work.

That said, you also seem to be wrong about Lynch carrying on 3rd and 2 (another pillar in your criticism) being a large part of RW's success. Both have 13 attempts, Wilson has twice the yardage (77 to Lynch's 31) and is more efficient in this situation when passing (which is what QB's tend to do).

Makes sense. The y/a are low, but that mostly has to do with 3rd & 2 being an "obvious running down". Defenses load the box, and offenses typically try to run downhill between the tackles. You don't expect a high y/a, but in that scenario all you need is 2 yards for the first. Wilson's 5 carries are probably qb sneaks right up the gut behind center. It's also a great down to take a play action/bootleg shot once in a while, hence 7/8 for 9.6 Y/A passing.

I'd be inclined to say that the poor Y/A rushing in that situation for RW was the missing o-line but they've actually seemed less effective run blocking than the backups were.

Originally posted by ECLaloosh:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Guy on radio talking about how SEA never changes what they do on defense to game plan vs a particular player. They didn't do anything special vs Jimmy Graham.

Question: does Richard Sherman EVER play CB anywhere other than that LCB spot?

Week 2 he shadowed Boldin.

Yup, he did for that game. I'm pretty sure Seattle usually does not use Sherman to "shadow" a receiver. Correct me if I'm wrong there. It seemed like they made an exception for that game since Boldin was the only healthy WR capable of doing any damage. Might as well stick your best corner on him and force others to make plays.

Lehhsss Gooo Niners!!

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Yup, he did for that game. I'm pretty sure Seattle usually does not use Sherman to "shadow" a receiver. Correct me if I'm wrong there. It seemed like they made an exception for that game since Boldin was the only healthy WR capable of doing any damage. Might as well stick your best corner on him and force others to make plays.

VD had hammy issues and Boldin was the only WR of note. Sick Sherman on him then load up vs the run. Well it won't be that easy this time

Originally posted by SofaKing:

Originally posted by ECLaloosh:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Guy on radio talking about how SEA never changes what they do on defense to game plan vs a particular player. They didn't do anything special vs Jimmy Graham.

Question: does Richard Sherman EVER play CB anywhere other than that LCB spot?

Week 2 he shadowed Boldin.

Yup, he did for that game. I'm pretty sure Seattle usually does not use Sherman to "shadow" a receiver. Correct me if I'm wrong there. It seemed like they made an exception for that game since Boldin was the only healthy WR capable of doing any damage. Might as well stick your best corner on him and force others to make plays.

In a nutshell, yes. Had as much to do w/ Browner being out as anything. Were he available, I doubt Sherm would have followed him.