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Jun 13, 2012 at 10:10 AM
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
whats the NFL average

We need to see the numbers of the top offensive teams.

We are in a Superbowl hunt. Its not the time to compare us to average teams anymore.
[ Edited by Young2Rice on Jun 13, 2012 at 10:11 AM ]
Jun 13, 2012 at 10:14 AM
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
The numbers will go up with the offense having a full off-season to practice. I know that the idea is hard for some here to comprehend, but once again, for the record...The WCO is a very complicated offensive system, it takes more than one abbreviated off-season to get up and running smoothly. Joe Montana said it takes three full off-seasons to properly install and get running. So you guys with your using last years numbers to criticize the team or its players are basically saying Joe has no idea what he is talking about. As good as I think our team and coaching staff are, I don't have the temerity to think that they are better than Walsh & co. Some of you fella have unrealistic expectations, or an agenda to push.

Relax, no one is saying that. We're just addressing the situation and discussing it. I saw a cool graphic and posted it for discussion.
Jun 13, 2012 at 10:14 AM
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
We need to see the numbers of the top offensive teams.

We are in a Superbowl hunt. Its not the time to compare us to average teams anymore.


Seeing all the teams would be better so that the picture is very clear as to the range. GB may be a ten out of ten in an offensive category, with the niners being a five. That would look really bad...unless the next highest to GB was a 5.1.

Does anyone know a site with this data? I've looked on a few and haven't found it.
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Jun 13, 2012 at 10:15 AM ]
Jun 13, 2012 at 10:22 AM
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
whats the NFL average

We need to see the numbers of the top offensive teams.

We are in a Superbowl hunt. Its not the time to compare us to average teams anymore.

lol
Jun 13, 2012 at 10:27 AM
only thing i can find so far is this
http://www.twominutewarning.com/short.htm

It shows our TD and FG% for short drives They define a short drive as this..a SHORT DRIVE is considered to be one where the team needs fifty yards or less for a touchdown (eg midfield or better starting field position)
Jun 13, 2012 at 10:32 AM
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
only thing i can find so far is this
http://www.twominutewarning.com/short.htm

It shows our TD and FG% for short drives They define a short drive as this..a SHORT DRIVE is considered to be one where the team needs fifty yards or less for a touchdown (eg midfield or better starting field position)

Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
only thing i can find so far is this
http://www.twominutewarning.com/short.htm

It shows our TD and FG% for short drives They define a short drive as this..a SHORT DRIVE is considered to be one where the team needs fifty yards or less for a touchdown (eg midfield or better starting field position)

Nice find. Looks are we are great with a short field compared to the better offensive teams.
Jun 13, 2012 at 10:38 AM
So the niners are more effective at scoring TDs than GB in the 2 minute warning time? Or am I reading that incorrectly?

Edit: Oops...name of the site is 2 Minute Warning. Still, better than GB at scoring TDs but definately not top tier on 3rd down conversions.

Edit 2: Thanks for the info--good find indeed! Does it say what year this is? Just wondering...
[ Edited by dtg_9er on Jun 13, 2012 at 10:44 AM ]
Jun 13, 2012 at 10:43 AM
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
So the niners are more effective at scoring TDs than GB in the 2 minute warning time? Or am I reading that incorrectly?

two minute warning is the name of the website, ignore that. The 49ers are better than GB at scoring a TD when they have a short field which is defined here as 50 yards or less to go for a TD. I cant find anything online that shows a chart for the NFL similar to that in the OP
Jun 13, 2012 at 10:46 AM
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
two minute warning is the name of the website, ignore that. The 49ers are better than GB at scoring a TD when they have a short field which is defined here as 50 yards or less to go for a TD. I cant find anything online that shows a chart for the NFL similar to that in the OP


I clicked on one of the links at the top and found info for 2001. Would be nice if these *%%$**%$% sites actually put dates on every page!
Jun 13, 2012 at 10:56 AM
lol
Jun 13, 2012 at 11:09 AM
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
Originally posted by dtg_9er:
So the niners are more effective at scoring TDs than GB in the 2 minute warning time? Or am I reading that incorrectly?

two minute warning is the name of the website, ignore that. The 49ers are better than GB at scoring a TD when they have a short field which is defined here as 50 yards or less to go for a TD. I cant find anything online that shows a chart for the NFL similar to that in the OP

I got that graphic from a screen shot from the game.
Jun 13, 2012 at 11:22 AM
Originally posted by WookieOftheYear:
only thing i can find so far is this
http://www.twominutewarning.com/short.htm

It shows our TD and FG% for short drives They define a short drive as this..a SHORT DRIVE is considered to be one where the team needs fifty yards or less for a touchdown (eg midfield or better starting field position)
looks like its from the 98' season lol Minnesota and Denver a head of us.........
Jun 13, 2012 at 11:28 AM
Originally posted by JiksJuicy:
It's no big secret we struggled on 3rd downs. If you struggle on 3rd downs you are not going to sustain drives. If you struggle in the red-zone you are not going to get t.d.'s. Pretty simple to me. This pic is also in week 13 and we picked up our redzone offense and deep passing game at the end of the season so these numbers are probably a little off.

Remember what Steve Young used to struggle most with while he was learning the WCO?
Jun 13, 2012 at 11:29 AM
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by Memphis9er:
The numbers will go up with the offense having a full off-season to practice. I know that the idea is hard for some here to comprehend, but once again, for the record...The WCO is a very complicated offensive system, it takes more than one abbreviated off-season to get up and running smoothly. Joe Montana said it takes three full off-seasons to properly install and get running. So you guys with your using last years numbers to criticize the team or its players are basically saying Joe has no idea what he is talking about. As good as I think our team and coaching staff are, I don't have the temerity to think that they are better than Walsh & co. Some of you fella have unrealistic expectations, or an agenda to push.

Relax, no one is saying that. We're just addressing the situation and discussing it. I saw a cool graphic and posted it for discussion.

Lol, Young my brother, I am always relaxed
Jun 13, 2012 at 11:36 AM
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by qnnhan7:
If you look into other NFL teams, my guess would be their percentage would be similar in regard to field position. Inside their own 20, teams generally are pretty conservative play call, unless they are in desperate times. They are just trying to give themselves more room behind their back. When they move inside their opponents territory, coaches tend to go into attack mode much more. They start calling more creative plays. Then when they get inside the red zone, they tend to go conservative again depending on the coach and how confident of their offense.

That's my take....

It would be nice to see other NFL teams' numbers. I would assume the better offensive teams, which we need to strive to be like, have higher percentages then that.

I would think so too. I think inside the opponents 50, the offensive coach pull out more in their arsenal of good plays. The ones they know it to be successful for most of the time. Where they were saving it for the right time. And that tends to be on the opponents side of the field. If I remember right a lot of big plays or TDs to VD in the playoffs were mostly around midfield or on the opponents side of the field. It's when Roman starts dialing up Smith to VD with success. Even in some regular season games that I remember. Like in the Eagles and Tampa game.

The lower percentage outside of the 50 and progressively lowered going back to inside their own 20, has to account for the aggressiveness of the defense also. There's not a lot of plays that will net the offense 60-80 yards for a TD. So they chip at it first with 5 yards here, 10 yards there. Take what the defense gives you. At the same time dealing with an aggressive defense. Take our defense for example. We get a team inside or around their own 20 yards, the guys upfront and the DB like Carlos Rogers, are much more aggressive in trying to get that turn over. But when the opponents' offense drove inside our 50, they back off in trying to gamble for that big play, but played mostly sound , safe, tough physical defense. Defend the end zone and let everything happen in front of them because they can't afford a mistake in that area.

I think our percentage of success may be lowered than the very best teams, but the inclining from lower percentile going from inside our own 20 with improving percentage going inside the opponent's side of the field would be the same as most if not all teams. Hope some one can pull some numbers to confirmed or repudiate this.
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