The 49ers/Lions game is on NFL replay right now

Originally posted by defenderDX:
He had Crabtree 'jumping' for balls. He threw it over is head, he over threw it, big time. Put too much air under it. Just cookie cutter talk. Just a bad throw resulting in a pick. He was 17/32 with a 3.9 YPA AVG. It was not his best game.... Statistically, it was his worst of the season at that current time.

Just see it differently. Played a tough D and made very few mistakes, won the game. Crabtree tends to catch the ball up and away from his body better than he does low and into his body. Same thing in college. Wonder if Smith is trying to accomodate his strength.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
He had Crabtree 'jumping' for balls. He threw it over is head, he over threw it, big time. Put too much air under it. Just cookie cutter talk. Just a bad throw resulting in a pick. He was 17/32 with a 3.9 YPA AVG. It was not his best game.... Statistically, it was his worst of the season at that current time.

Just see it differently. Played a tough D and made very few mistakes, won the game. Crabtree tends to catch the ball up and away from his body better than he does low and into his body. Same thing in college. Wonder if Smith is trying to accomodate his strength.

Let's not get silly. He over throws people.

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
He had Crabtree 'jumping' for balls. He threw it over is head, he over threw it, big time. Put too much air under it. Just cookie cutter talk. Just a bad throw resulting in a pick. He was 17/32 with a 3.9 YPA AVG. It was not his best game.... Statistically, it was his worst of the season at that current time.

Just see it differently. Played a tough D and made very few mistakes, won the game. Crabtree tends to catch the ball up and away from his body better than he does low and into his body. Same thing in college. Wonder if Smith is trying to accomodate his strength.

Well, you may see it differently, which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I don't usually go off stats but to me the stats really didn't lie in this game. I'd say Smith played below average, just had an off game. Simply not his best (even despite the penalties, crowd, etc) 60 something QB rating, whatever, it happens. This game to me though I think was the first game where Smith showed he had the clutch gene. Something we had never really seen

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Well, you may see it differently, which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I don't usually go off stats but to me the stats really didn't lie in this game. I'd say Smith played below average, just had an off game. Simply not his best (even despite the penalties, crowd, etc) 60 something QB rating, whatever, it happens. This game to me though I think was the first game where Smith showed he had the clutch gene. Something we had never really seen

He pulled that clutch gene out against seattle on a game winning drive in his second year I believe.

I love seeing frank gore run against the lions, also Anthony Davis was making me a bit proud in this game.

Originally posted by defenderDX:

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by defenderDX:
He had Crabtree 'jumping' for balls. He threw it over is head, he over threw it, big time. Put too much air under it. Just cookie cutter talk. Just a bad throw resulting in a pick. He was 17/32 with a 3.9 YPA AVG. It was not his best game.... Statistically, it was his worst of the season at that current time.

Just see it differently. Played a tough D and made very few mistakes, won the game. Crabtree tends to catch the ball up and away from his body better than he does low and into his body. Same thing in college. Wonder if Smith is trying to accomodate his strength.

Well, you may see it differently, which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I don't usually go off stats but to me the stats really didn't lie in this game. I'd say Smith played below average, just had an off game. Simply not his best (even despite the penalties, crowd, etc) 60 something QB rating, whatever, it happens. This game to me though I think was the first game where Smith showed he had the clutch gene. Something we had never really seen

Yeah he played like crap but came through when it mattered in that game.

Clutch gene? You missed the eagles game? You know that one with the EPIC comeback Alex led against them down something like 20 points? If that wasn't clutch I am not sure what you consider clutch. That game had it all ... instant 49ers classic, alongside the Lions game.

Originally posted by BayArea:
Clutch gene? You missed the eagles game? You know that one with the EPIC comeback Alex led against them down something like 20 points? If that wasn't clutch I am not sure what you consider clutch. That game had it all ... instant 49ers classic, alongside the Lions game.

saints game as well

he is the only qb in nfl history to pull 2 comebak drives in final 3 min of game

and both drives were 80+ yards as well

He overthrows people? You're right, lets not get silly. We also have blatant lack of speed at the WR position too but I guess thats all Smith's fault because he "overthrows people." Smith deserves his fair share of the blame for our pedestrian offense but he has no weapons outside of Davis.

Why is it that he never overthrows Vernon? He bread baskets every throw he makes to Vernon. Go to a live game when the 49ers are playing against a team with real weapons at WR and watch the difference in their routes, and their timing as opposed to Crabtree. Our WR's look clumsy, and awkward. Jumping for balls that they don't need to jump for, etc. You don't see this on TV but Smith has been dealing with a serious lack of talent at WR since he's been in the league. If you dont believe that then you have no idea what you're looking at.

Originally posted by socalfan21:
like i said in the jacobs thread, watching dixon attempt 3rd and shorts or 2nd and shorts is so pathetic. Im glad we signed Jacobs he would get those easily.

agreed.. i dont know why we have seen people cry about the signing because of his "attitude".. this is football, not drama class.

Originally posted by 49ersalldaway126:

saints game as well

he is the only qb in nfl history to pull 2 comebak drives in final 3 min of game

and both drives were 80+ yards as well

85 yds with Smith having to run it in the last one, I had thrown in the white flag. There was no way Smith could drove another 80yds. But for those 2drives, he had Steve Young competitive moxy and Montana magic, all rolled up in one unlikely Alex Smith.

Now back to the Detroit game. Had to side step a rush. Didn't step into his throw, high ball trying to get it there in time to an open Crabtree. No sugar coat, no hate'n. Just a fact. Will happen to even HOF qb. Understandable part of the game that he could and did improve. 41yarder to Crabtree with the same side step rush but made it happened with the connect on a better throw in Seattle.

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Let's not get silly. He over throws people.

Not arguing that he overthrows at times, but it seems more of a problem with Crabtree than any other receiver. Why? Just wondering if part of it is intentional...not the five yards above the head throws but many of the completions are above Crabtree's head.

Originally posted by defenderDX:
Well, you may see it differently, which is fine. You're entitled to your opinion. I don't usually go off stats but to me the stats really didn't lie in this game. I'd say Smith played below average, just had an off game. Simply not his best (even despite the penalties, crowd, etc) 60 something QB rating, whatever, it happens. This game to me though I think was the first game where Smith showed he had the clutch gene. Something we had never really seen

The game was brutal in many ways. They could not hear each other, as Staley mentions while sitting on the bench. He was stripped from the blind side after two penalties in the first drive. And yet, he did never looked rattled, just kept plugging away. Great game stat wise? No. But I was impressed with the guy after seeing the game for a third time, as he overcame a constant rush, drops, penalties, noise and came through in the clutch. He was not the "problem" in that game at all. As for never seeing this in Smith...that is what I have been seeing on an inconsistent basis. It is why I have advised patience and hoped for good coaching for years. The guy was the number one QB for this reason...had always been a smart, efficient winner.

Originally posted by NinerG94:
He overthrows people? You're right, lets not get silly. We also have blatant lack of speed at the WR position too but I guess thats all Smith's fault because he "overthrows people." Smith deserves his fair share of the blame for our pedestrian offense but he has no weapons outside of Davis.

Why is it that he never overthrows Vernon? He bread baskets every throw he makes to Vernon. Go to a live game when the 49ers are playing against a team with real weapons at WR and watch the difference in their routes, and their timing as opposed to Crabtree. Our WR's look clumsy, and awkward. Jumping for balls that they don't need to jump for, etc. You don't see this on TV but Smith has been dealing with a serious lack of talent at WR since he's been in the league. If you dont believe that then you have no idea what you're looking at.

No, YOU have no idea what YOU'RE looking at dude. Smith and Vernon have practically been together their whole careers. I think it has to do more with the chemistry between them then anything. We're all hoping that Smith can bread basket balls to our WR's this next season with a full fledged offseason under this coaching staff in place. He overthrows crabs, and miss throws crabs in games. He did a LOT last year. Especially in the Lions game. Blind.

Originally posted by NinerG94:
He overthrows people? You're right, lets not get silly. We also have blatant lack of speed at the WR position too but I guess thats all Smith's fault because he "overthrows people." Smith deserves his fair share of the blame for our pedestrian offense but he has no weapons outside of Davis.

Why is it that he never overthrows Vernon? He bread baskets every throw he makes to Vernon. Go to a live game when the 49ers are playing against a team with real weapons at WR and watch the difference in their routes, and their timing as opposed to Crabtree. Our WR's look clumsy, and awkward. Jumping for balls that they don't need to jump for, etc. You don't see this on TV but Smith has been dealing with a serious lack of talent at WR since he's been in the league. If you dont believe that then you have no idea what you're looking at.

Yep. Despite an off game surrounded with adversity, he overcame it in the end.