2012 NFC Divisional Game vs. New Orleans Saints Gameday Thread

Originally posted by sincalfaithful:
If you're playing harder teams as a whole it doesn't really matter. Then again Saints fans wouldn't understand that concept since they've only been following the Saints since Hurricane Katrina

When you are comparing points allowed QBs faced is just as relevant if not more than SOS. Cause you can play a great team like the 9ers which increases your SOS, but their QB is poop!

Originally posted by WhoDat09:

Originally posted by andes14:
First of all, Julius Jones playing for Pierre Thomas was not a big deal. Jones played better than Thomas did last year. And you bringing up that you didn't have Sproles would be like me bringing up that the Seahawks didn't have Doug Baldwin or Richard Sherman. And the 2011 49ers D is just a wee bit better than the 2010 Seahawks D. But even if your offense plays as well outdoors on grass as they do in their dome (which statistically, they don't btw), it's the defense that should play much worse - again, Gore is probably licking his chops when he sees that Lynch play on film. You allowed 41 points and over 420 yards to a Seahawks offense that finished 23rd in points scored per game (19.4) and 28th in yards gained per game (297.8 yards per game). You allowed Matt Hasselbeck, who threw 12 touchdown passes all year, to throw for 4. As for the weather conditions, it may not be freezing, but it should be windy, which affects a passing game even more.

You bringing up last years Seattle game is like me bringing up SF record last year. It doesn't matter!! This is a totally different team. And no way JJ is as good as P Thomas. Ivory was also hurt that game. Who is JJ playing for this year? I'm not even gonna get into why the saints lost that game. The got beat and it has no effect on the game sat. Since we are bringing up '10 let's bring '09. The saints won the SB, what was SF record? Hell, we might be in trouble bc SF was dominate in the 80's.

I bring up the Seattle game because it has a lot of relevance. Shows how the Saints play outdoors on grass in the winter. And Thomas sucked last year. He averaged 3.2 yards per carry. Jones averaged 4.

Originally posted by jreff22:
Obviously those teams QB's managed to do more then the guys you faced

They didnt. And im not sure what point you would try to be making if they did lol.

While most are putting the onus on our defense, I think the biggest X factor will be our OL. They're by far the most unpredictable group, some weeks horrendous, some weeks almost flawless. I expected them to lay an egg at Seattle and they showed up bigtime in that brutal environment. I expect them to play well, especially with the revenge factor. When Alex has time to throw, he's lethal. I'm actually more concerned about Gore. Just hasn't been himself lately. The untold story of our offense this year is that our passing game has been more efficient than our running game. Hopefully the bye and this being his first career playoff game will rejuvenate Gore. Plus the Saints are tied for last in ypr allowed.

Originally posted by 65of221on3rdLOL:

Originally posted by andes14:
Exactly. He should know from his '09 Saints. They had only made the playoffs once in the previous 8 years yet won the Super Bowl, having beaten Super Bowl winning quarterbacks in all 3 postseason games. The '08 Cards hadn't made the playoffs in 10 years and they almost won it all.

Its easy to beat 3 Super Bowl winning QBs when you have Brees. Smith? Not so much.

It'd also be easy to beat 3 SB winning QB's with a defense like ours (which we may do if we beat New England in the SB). The bottom line is regardless of QB, the Saints had very minimal playoff experience yet won it all. '08 Cards had very minimal playoff experience yet almost won 4 playoff games. And Tebow just beat Roethlisberger.

Originally posted by andes14:
I bring up the Seattle game because it has a lot of relevance. Shows how the Saints play outdoors on grass in the winter. And Thomas sucked last year. He averaged 3.2 yards per carry. Jones averaged 4.

Smith has a QB rating of 76.4 playing for the 9ers, and he'll be playing for them Saturday. See how that works?

Originally posted by 65of221on3rdLOL:
Smith has a QB rating of 76.4 playing for the 9ers, and he'll be playing for them Saturday. See how that works?

Smith has played against better defenses, Brees has not.

Originally posted by andes14:
It'd also be easy to beat 3 SB winning QB's with a defense like ours (which we may do if we beat New England in the SB). The bottom line is regardless of QB, the Saints had very minimal playoff experience yet won it all. '08 Cards had very minimal playoff experience yet almost won 4 playoff games. And Tebow just beat Roethlisberger.

It would be, except for the whole Smith thing.

Originally posted by jreff22:
Smith has played against better defenses, Brees has not.

Playing the Ravens and Steelers is not enough to explan...

49ers
65/221 on 3rd = 29.4% (31st)
76/216 on 3rd = 35.2% (11th) allowed on defense

Saints
118/208 on 3rd = 56.7% (1st)
67/202 on 3rd = 33.2% (5th) allowed on defense

Originally posted by andes14:
It'd also be easy to beat 3 SB winning QB's with a defense like ours (which we may do if we beat New England in the SB). The bottom line is regardless of QB, the Saints had very minimal playoff experience yet won it all. '08 Cards had very minimal playoff experience yet almost won 4 playoff games. And Tebow just beat Roethlisberger.

Regardless of the QB? ok stop posting. Brees was SB MVP. Check yourself

Originally posted by 65of221on3rdLOL:

Originally posted by andes14:
I bring up the Seattle game because it has a lot of relevance. Shows how the Saints play outdoors on grass in the winter. And Thomas sucked last year. He averaged 3.2 yards per carry. Jones averaged 4.

Smith has a QB rating of 76.4 playing for the 9ers, and he'll be playing for them Saturday. See how that works?

Right, because looking at career stats is a way better indicator than stats isolated from just that season. Smith has a 2011 rating of 90.7. You think teams were terrified of playing Donovan McNabb the past 2 years because of his career numbers?

Originally posted by andes14:

I bring up the Seattle game because it has a lot of relevance. Shows how the Saints play outdoors on grass in the winter. And Thomas sucked last year. He averaged 3.2 yards per carry. Jones averaged 4.

Thomas struggled with injuries all year. Our leading rusher, ivory, was also out that game. JJ and Reggie was also injured that game, I think in the third quarter. J graham was also out that game. M Jenkins was also out that game. In the 4 th quarter H Evans was played HB for the saints and some other dude that i cant even remember his name. Actually JJ coughed up the ball that was a huge turning point in that game. So ur right he did make a difference. Seattle has a field turf field, not grass. Sat weather will be far from blistering. Last I checked, sunny, 65 and 1 mph winds.

Originally posted by andes14:
Right, because looking at career stats is a way better indicator than stats isolated from just that season. Smith has a 2011 rating of 90.7. You think teams were terrified of playing Donovan McNabb the past 2 years because of his career numbers?

No different than you quoting Thomas stat of last year and saying he sucked. We had RB injury issues starting with the CHEAP SHOT on Bush last year at Candlestick. He was on the ground when he got hit. I'm over it though. Sproles is the man with the most total yards in one season EVER!

Originally posted by 65of221on3rdLOL:

Originally posted by andes14:
It'd also be easy to beat 3 SB winning QB's with a defense like ours (which we may do if we beat New England in the SB). The bottom line is regardless of QB, the Saints had very minimal playoff experience yet won it all. '08 Cards had very minimal playoff experience yet almost won 4 playoff games. And Tebow just beat Roethlisberger.

Regardless of the QB? ok stop posting. Brees was SB MVP. Check yourself

Regardless of QB meaning if you have a good TEAM, who cares about playoff experience? The Saints' lack of playoff experience didn't hurt them in '09 because of how good their TEAM was. Did all the playoff experience that the Steelers and Eagles have help lead them to deep playoff runs this year?

Originally posted by WhoDat09:
Thomas struggled with injuries all year. Our leading rusher, ivory, was also out that game. JJ and Reggie was also injured that game, I think in the third quarter. J graham was also out that game. M Jenkins was also out that game. In the 4 th quarter H Evans was played HB for the saints and some other dude that i cant even remember his name. Actually JJ coughed up the ball that was a huge turning point in that game. So ur right he did make a difference. Seattle has a field turf field, not grass. Sat weather will be far from blistering. Last I checked, sunny, 65 and 1 mph winds.

And SF doesn't have acoustics. Hell they barely have lights. No wonder why its in the day.

And oh Deshawnn Wynn. He played last year at SF actually I'm watching it now.