Too much offensive rotation?

Originally posted by valrod33:
This. Crabtree should never leave the field, right now he is our best WR and we are only helping the other team out by having him on the sidelines

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Originally posted by valrod33:
This. Crabtree should never leave the field, right now he is our best WR and we are only helping the other team out by having him on the sidelines

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by jdt84_2:

Originally posted by GolittaCamper:
What is this 1955 or something? Should we go one further and play our guys both ways? Look man since the 70's teams have been subbing in personnel groups based on down and distance, we are not the only team who does this relax.

Yeah a lot of teams do it, but how often do you see wes welker on the bench? A brandon Lloyd, dwayne bowe, greg Jennings, jj finley? Let's take out a player who fights for the ball for one who does not then throw a jump ball to him. Re; ted ginn fade.

This. Crabtree should never leave the field, right now he is our best WR and we are only helping the other team out by having him on the sidelines

So the problem isn't substations, it's rotation. I'm with you, it seems like the coaches are rotating players, waiting for one to explode and take over the game. Only problem is we got mostly duds! We need play makers!

Biggest problem with this is the amount of time we have left when we finally do get set at the line. We leave ourselves such little time to make adjustments to what we see when we are setting up with 5 seconds on the play-clock. Unacceptable. It also gives defenders the snap-count, as they know we must snap it or get a delay penalty... so they can get a great jump on the snap.

This should have been fixed by now. We're simply trying to get cute too much.

Well There you have it:
http://www.sacbee.com/2011/12/16/4126742/49ers-putting-in-extra-work-in.html#mi_rss=49ers

Even Delanie Walker says the personnell scheme "is their game" -- and it has been hurting them a bit. Good call Method.

The article makes a good point about how its all tied together. The constant rotation takes time, play calling slows down, time at line of scrimmage is shortened, and protections breakdown. That's why we love football -- ultimate team sport, ultimate system game.

I think Delanie Walker is wrong when he said that the personnel groupsing do not effect the delay in the offense. The constant stubstitutions HAVE to delay the amount of time to get to the line of scrimmage.

http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/2011/12/15/te-walker-49ers-problems-starting-before-the-snap/

As much as I loved the Sopoaga play and the Staley reception, I think the TE's can accomplish the same thing. Keep the same players on the field, if you are driving, DO NOT start running the wildcat in the red zone.

I took it that DW was acknowledging that the substitution WERE delaying the offense. He was saying they need to get the subs in quicker so the play can be called and they can get to the LOS early.

It really depends on how they are running the subs -- typically, the package is subbed as soon as down and distance are know. As the sub package is running on the field, the OC should be verifying the player rotation and calling the play based on down and distance and personnell package. Then the QB needs for the subs and huddle to form up to call the play.

The alternative is for the OC to call for the package to a sideline coordinator, and then call the play into the QB's headset.

You can see where the confusion, delays, and slow player movement can occurr -- particularly as a playbook expands during the season.

The delay typically occurs in the sub package being called out and players getting on the field, which seems to be the case with the 9ers.

I saw a little bit of this 'rotation' problem in the Cards game. I noticed on one play Niners were already in the huddle. Miller came in bobbing his head from the outside trying to listen to the play called by Smith. He ended up asking Gore what the play was when the huddle broke. Kinda funny when I saw it. Didn't think it might be related to the 'rotation' problem at the time. Adding the crowd noise from in an away game. Yeah, I can see it might be part of the problem. I'm not sure that it's the main problem for our ill.

Right now it seems a good idea to keep two WRs, Williams and Crabtree, and two TEs on the field with a single back. Speed up the game and quit letting the defense have all the time in the world to prepare. The rotation will be faster next year when the players all have more time to know their roles, but for now I think there are too many times when they are slow and that affects their effectiveness once the ball is snapped. The really great teams dominate by beating the opposition to the line, giving little or no time to make adjustments and out-quick them. The 9ers have not done that this year...at all!

Those who think that timing is just an excuse should rewatch the fly (?) play where Ginn beat the snap to Smith and a time out had to be called. This was obvious, but think of all the little things that are less obvious to the viewer but affect plays adversely. The 9ers are ahead of schedule but are not there yet.

In the long interview Kawakami did with Alex a few weeks ago Alex said they have only scratched the surface on offensive plays and I'm still wondering why.

I agree--I have been posting the same point all week! Keep the play makers in the game, less rotation.

Originally posted by NorthNiner:
In the long interview Kawakami did with Alex a few weeks ago Alex said they have only scratched the surface on offensive plays and I'm still wondering why.

Shortened offseason and yet another system to learn. Considering that, I'm surprised we've done even this well.