Week 12: Thoughts after re-watching the game....

You could have put #6 as number #1 and ended it right there.

If we had gone 5-0 on the east coast this year, against the teams we played, that might have been something talked about for a long time as one of the great accomplishments in football. There should be no shame in losing a game this close on a short week against a dominating defense.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
3) Edwards:


Edwards said he was trying to set the cornerback up with an inside move and then go outside. Smith said he thought Edwards had committed to the inside and threw the ball there. "He saw one thing and I saw another," Edwards said. Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/11/edwards-says-hes-been-dealing-with-shoulder-sprain-for-three-weeks.html#ixzz1f2e4HZSJ

So Braylon ran the route as designed. Don't know why Alex wouldn't throw it to the outside.

In truth, im a big Alex supporter but the one thing i cannot defend him for is that when he goes deep, almost every time he throws the ball to the inside of the field instead of the sidelines:::

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
3) Edwards:


Edwards said he was trying to set the cornerback up with an inside move and then go outside. Smith said he thought Edwards had committed to the inside and threw the ball there. "He saw one thing and I saw another," Edwards said. Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/11/edwards-says-hes-been-dealing-with-shoulder-sprain-for-three-weeks.html#ixzz1f2e4HZSJ

So Braylon ran the route as designed. Don't know why Alex wouldn't throw it to the outside.

First part. How did you get that from that quote?
Second part. Uh read the quote again he tells you why

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
3) Edwards:


Edwards said he was trying to set the cornerback up with an inside move and then go outside. Smith said he thought Edwards had committed to the inside and threw the ball there. "He saw one thing and I saw another," Edwards said. Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/11/edwards-says-hes-been-dealing-with-shoulder-sprain-for-three-weeks.html#ixzz1f2e4HZSJ

So Braylon ran the route as designed. Don't know why Alex wouldn't throw it to the outside.

First part. How did you get that from that quote?
Second part. Uh read the quote again he tells you why

Key word "...set the CB up..." That means it was designed to go outside but he was setting the CB up prior to getting into his actual route.

Now if we can learn from this game and develop then we will have profited by the experience and be ready for the next level. This was a playoff game. A. Smith will need to grow from this experience, the WRs will still need to develop timing with Smith, we will see if Harbaugh has a love affair with Rachal or will we see a rookie in the Oline. I think in the scheme issue some screens and slants would have helped as well. But like all football games all games rotate on a few plays. The 70 yard TD would have helped alter the momentum and the confidence. We didn't get it but the potential was obvious. Now we have to work to get that potential to be regular. Two last offensive issues would be it will be nice to get Miller back to the offense, and if Edwards is hurt get Williams in there.

On defense I think getting Aldon Smith in there for 60% of the snaps, especially in these last games will help his development. I think right now A. Smith is as good or better than Harolson. I would also like to see Culliver be the number two CB. I really like Willis, Bowman, Brooks. I think Whitner is someone we just have to live with and work around. He might be the next person we have to draft for. So a ball hawking SS and a ball hawking CB are two priority issues in this years draft. Still some soft coverages when it needed to be tight for first down issues. But overall they played well.

So I am still encouraged by the Niners and hope to see a strong bounce back game against the Rams.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
3) Edwards:


Edwards said he was trying to set the cornerback up with an inside move and then go outside. Smith said he thought Edwards had committed to the inside and threw the ball there. "He saw one thing and I saw another," Edwards said. Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/11/edwards-says-hes-been-dealing-with-shoulder-sprain-for-three-weeks.html#ixzz1f2e4HZSJ

So Braylon ran the route as designed. Don't know why Alex wouldn't throw it to the outside.

First part. How did you get that from that quote?
Second part. Uh read the quote again he tells you why

Key word "...set the CB up..." That means it was designed to go outside but he was setting the CB up prior to getting into his actual route.

Sounds to me like it was an option route.

Originally posted by 9ermex:
In truth, im a big Alex supporter but the one thing i cannot defend him for is that when he goes deep, almost every time he throws the ball to the inside of the field instead of the sidelines:::

A lot of other QB's allow their receivers a chance to at least jump for a ball. Alex has thrown it inside on occasion or completely overthrown it. He has rarely put it in a spot that gives our WR's a 50/50 chance for a jump ball.

What is the rule on chop block? Isn't it that a DL must be engaged and THEN hit below the waste for it to be illegal?

It was a bad call because the DL was hit below the legs first and engaged to no other player on that contact.

I still can't believe they made our offense look average without Ray Lewis. Imagine if we didn't have Willis. Can't say we would do the same.

Originally posted by Joecool:
What is the rule on chop block? Isn't it that a DL must be engaged and THEN hit below the waste for it to be illegal?

It was a bad call because the DL was hit below the legs first and engaged to no other player on that contact.

I still can't believe they made our offense look average without Ray Lewis. Imagine if we didn't have Willis. Can't say we would do the same.

The way I've always understood just how you described it. It's illegal for a second blocker to chop below the waist AFTER a blocker has already engaged the defender high. From what I can gather since Thursday is that it can be an either/or scenario and chop block enforcement has been emphasized this year. As somebody pointed out we got the benefit of a similar call against Detroit which I can only vaguely recall.

That said it was a "good" call as in technically correct, but it would have been a better non-call.

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
3) Edwards:


Edwards said he was trying to set the cornerback up with an inside move and then go outside. Smith said he thought Edwards had committed to the inside and threw the ball there. "He saw one thing and I saw another," Edwards said. Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/11/edwards-says-hes-been-dealing-with-shoulder-sprain-for-three-weeks.html#ixzz1f2e4HZSJ

So Braylon ran the route as designed. Don't know why Alex wouldn't throw it to the outside.

First part. How did you get that from that quote?
Second part. Uh read the quote again he tells you why

Key word "...set the CB up..." That means it was designed to go outside but he was setting the CB up prior to getting into his actual route.

Sounds to me like it was an option route.

I heard Harbaugh said Alex was supposed to throw to the back shoulder(outside) on that specific route.

Originally posted by Joecool:
Good to hear those things from the Ravens' players, especially Rice, who appeared to be very cocky yet comical in the Sound FX.

I still don't agree with that throw being half Braylon's fault. The WORST spot to throw a ball on a DB that has inside position is inside. That is nearly the most difficult spot for the receiver to make any play on a ball. The DB plays that ball as if he is the receiver. Braylon would have had to make an incredible catch that would have noted as one of the best catches of the year if he made that. It was a bad throw in a spot that allowed the DB to act as a receiver. Those are not even close to 50% on the WR.

Agree, 100 percent.

Statements like this make it difficult for me to accept other observations as credibale. If you watch the video, Braylon even tried to punch it out or get his hand in there, but couldn't. That is not even 1 percent Braylons fault.

Originally posted by prime21:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by valrod33:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

3) Edwards:


Edwards said he was trying to set the cornerback up with an inside move and then go outside. Smith said he thought Edwards had committed to the inside and threw the ball there. "He saw one thing and I saw another," Edwards said. Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/49ers/archives/2011/11/edwards-says-hes-been-dealing-with-shoulder-sprain-for-three-weeks.html#ixzz1f2e4HZSJ

So Braylon ran the route as designed. Don't know why Alex wouldn't throw it to the outside.

First part. How did you get that from that quote?
Second part. Uh read the quote again he tells you why

Key word "...set the CB up..." That means it was designed to go outside but he was setting the CB up prior to getting into his actual route.

Sounds to me like it was an option route.

I heard Harbaugh said Alex was supposed to throw to the back shoulder(outside) on that specific route.

This leads me to believe that Edwards does not always run the routes as they are designed. Usually, you would trust the receiver to run it properly unless they have a tendency to commit to doing something else.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Good to hear those things from the Ravens' players, especially Rice, who appeared to be very cocky yet comical in the Sound FX.

I still don't agree with that throw being half Braylon's fault. The WORST spot to throw a ball on a DB that has inside position is inside. That is nearly the most difficult spot for the receiver to make any play on a ball. The DB plays that ball as if he is the receiver. Braylon would have had to make an incredible catch that would have noted as one of the best catches of the year if he made that. It was a bad throw in a spot that allowed the DB to act as a receiver. Those are not even close to 50% on the WR.

Agree, 100 percent.

Statements like this make it difficult for me to accept other observations as credibale. If you watch the video, Braylon even tried to punch it out or get his hand in there, but couldn't. That is not even 1 percent Braylons fault.

BS.

If a WR makes the wrong read on a timing pattern but tries to break up the pass late its still his fault. It doesn't absolve him of the blame for making an error to begin with.

I'm not saying the INT was all Edwards fault. It was tho at LEAST 50% his fault.

As for the "inside position is the worst" comment...thats ludicrous. If Alex thought was where Edwards was headed, thats where you throw it. This is the NFL...you throw the ball and trust your reciever to make a play on the ball.