Can't believe this is how Alex and co. were coached last year...

Originally posted by jays9ers:

Originally posted by Blitz:
Lets tell the truth here and knock off the pointless Shanny nuthugging and self congratulations. There was no reason to believe Sing would not have been successful at that time. There was nothing to really indicate he would have been a failure at that time. There was also no reason to believe that Shanny would have been successful either. His team was in complete and utter shambles, and hadn't produced anything of significance in a long, long, long time. In fact, all indications were that Shanny's run as a HC was well past his prime.

Uhh there was plenty to indicate that he would suck. He got rid of Martz and brought in Mr Sleepy to run the offense. He hada cave man approach to an evolving passing league. At least Shanny would have brought some actual football knowledge.

Ahh, no, not correct....again. He did not do any of the things you mentioned prior to being hired full time. Once again, there was no indication that he would not have been succesful.

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by jays9ers:

Originally posted by Blitz:

Lets tell the truth here and knock off the pointless Shanny nuthugging and self congratulations. There was no reason to believe Sing would not have been successful at that time. There was nothing to really indicate he would have been a failure at that time. There was also no reason to believe that Shanny would have been successful either. His team was in complete and utter shambles, and hadn't produced anything of significance in a long, long, long time. In fact, all indications were that Shanny's run as a HC was well past his prime.

Uhh there was plenty to indicate that he would suck. He got rid of Martz and brought in Mr Sleepy to run the offense. He hada cave man approach to an evolving passing league. At least Shanny would have brought some actual football knowledge.

Ahh, no, not correct....again. He did not do any of the things you mentioned prior to being hired full time. Once again, there was no indication that he would not have been succesful.

The fact that he had never even been a coordinator gave me a bad feeling. I liked the attitude he brought in the beginning, but from day 1 he was in over his head.

Originally posted by 9rFan84:

Originally posted by Blitz:

Originally posted by jays9ers:

Originally posted by Blitz:
Lets tell the truth here and knock off the pointless Shanny nuthugging and self congratulations. There was no reason to believe Sing would not have been successful at that time. There was nothing to really indicate he would have been a failure at that time. There was also no reason to believe that Shanny would have been successful either. His team was in complete and utter shambles, and hadn't produced anything of significance in a long, long, long time. In fact, all indications were that Shanny's run as a HC was well past his prime.

Uhh there was plenty to indicate that he would suck. He got rid of Martz and brought in Mr Sleepy to run the offense. He hada cave man approach to an evolving passing league. At least Shanny would have brought some actual football knowledge.

Ahh, no, not correct....again. He did not do any of the things you mentioned prior to being hired full time. Once again, there was no indication that he would not have been succesful.

The fact that he had never even been a coordinator gave me a bad feeling. I liked the attitude he brought in the beginning, but from day 1 he was in over his head.

never been a coordinator, didn't know a lick of x's and o's, so on and so forth. the only way he could have succeeded was with great talent and great surrounding coaches. dude had shown himself to be a headcase already, so really he was a diaster waiting to happen and we gave him the keys to the car so he could s**t all over it then crash it.

Originally posted by JizzmasterZero:
Sing was a terrible coach

The fact is no Hall of Fame player has above a .500 record. I think players who are hall of fame caliber can't understand why average players can't do what they did.

they need to just put up a podium with mics in front of josh morgan's locker, he always dishes the info the beat writers love lol

Originally posted by nickbradley:

Originally posted by Joecool:
Wait, don't some of the better teams have route adjustments on certain looks the defense gives them? I always thought this was like a Mike Martz or Peyton Manning thing where there are option routes built into a play call like if the WR is originally supposed to a run a curl but the DB is up on him and it automatically switches to a 9.

Yes - but very few can do it. Peyton Manning and Reggie Wayne run 10,000 routes every offseason and can pull it off.

The route adjustments you are talking about are fairly common; my college team did the same thing. A deep out against cover 3 becomes a post-corner against cover 2. A skinny post vs cover 2 becomes a flag against cover 3. The thing is, these are set sight adjustments that receivers and he QB make based on coverage, which they can recognize partially from alignment, and partially within the first second of the play. Adjusting routes to blitzes is a different deal, and is based upon running the route to where the blitzer came from (replace the blitzer with a receiver, logic dictates that the spot should be open, barring trap zones). When there are set terms and matching routes for these djustments, they are safer (Peyton Manning usually directs his hot routes at the line). Having everyone adjust by "feel" is pretty unpredictable and risky. I've never heard of that before, and it sounds pretty crazy to me.

When a defense blitzed, 49ers receivers were required to break off their original routes.

I'm at a loss for words.

I think we need a moment of silence to sit back and think about how good we have it now.

Who has it better than us?!

Originally posted by baltien:

When a defense blitzed, 49ers receivers were required to break off their original routes.

I'm at a loss for words.

No wonder Crabtree caused so many INt's.

Originally posted by baltien:

When a defense blitzed, 49ers receivers were required to break off their original routes.

I'm at a loss for words.

that's not revolutionary, is it? Teams do that all the time, don't they?

I think the difference is that most teams have that built into more established offenses, and teach it in a way where it doesn't confuse everyone. Sounds like our "system" was confusing to players, which doesn't help anybody.

I WANT DINNERS!

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by VA49er:
Were you not watching games last year? I agree it seems silly. It's like everything we were doing. Too much too fast, too soon. Harbaugh is doing a good job of slowing it all down. To be honest there is merit to letting recievers make reads and break on routes. But you need to be pretty solid in the simple stuff to do that if you ask me.

Agreed. And I like our receivers for the most part... BUT... I don't think many of them would excel at altering their routes as they see fit. I think they are far better left to run their route as planned and leave the thinking to the QB.

Agree

Actually the Patriots adjust routes and look how good they are. They did a segment the other day on either ESPN or NFL network explaining that the Patriots run option routes on every play. That is a big reason Chad Ochocinco is having such a hard time adjusting, but it's also why Brady and Welker rip it up every week.

Originally posted by oldman9er:

Originally posted by VA49er:
Were you not watching games last year? I agree it seems silly. It's like everything we were doing. Too much too fast, too soon. Harbaugh is doing a good job of slowing it all down. To be honest there is merit to letting recievers make reads and break on routes. But you need to be pretty solid in the simple stuff to do that if you ask me.

Agreed. And I like our receivers for the most part... BUT... I don't think many of them would excel at altering their routes as they see fit. I think they are far better left to run their route as planned and leave the thinking to the QB.

Very good pts, but aside from all that you need continuity in all aspects. It is not that our receivers would not excel in altering their routes it is more that everything was new and nobody was on the same page. Alex is trying to read them and they're trying to read him. All in all a mess!

I'm not expert but I'm pretty sure breaking off routes due to blitz's and option routes are not the same thing. It also doesn't mean that Alex can't also audible/hotroute on the line of scrimmage. There is still allot that needs to be done by the receiver, there is still route adjustments or changes. But it is designed into the play before hand and probably a particular to the DB coverage type and if the defense is showing man or zone. Things like the corners are jamming, playing inside coverage, playing inside out coverage, playing with a cushion, showing zone, pressing with zone, ect. Route adjustments are still intact I believe for this stuff, but I think the route shifting due to non coverage aspects such as overload blitz's and such are not part of the receivers responsibilities any more.