So does Snyder Start at RG now?

Might be a little early for Kilgore but I'm really sick of seeing 1st and 2nd rounders suck. We give our line waay too much slack b/c of their draft status.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Which "skeptics" said ANY of that?

Actually, "ignoring the center position after the loss of Heitmann and Baas" WOULD be "troublesome."

That's not skeptical, that's reasonable. This doesn't make any sense.

Why would it be skeptical to think that a former All Pro center, from a Superbowl winning team, might be better than a guy who's never played center at an NFL level before (Snyder), a life long backup (Wragge), or a rookie (Kilgore/Beeler)? That seems perfectly reasonable, and the "bargain" price only seems to make it even more worth taking a chance on the guy.

I don't recall anyone posting either of those two statements, or anything like them.

The Niners were pretty clear this offseason that resigning Baas was a priority. However, as always, they were not competitive in offering a contract to keep him. So, the team is first blindsided (a common theme with Baalke) that Baas signed elsewhere, then sits on their butt, states that Snyder is the new starter, watch the next line of four or five free agent centers sign elsewhere, and then realizing that Snyder may not be very good, sign Goodwin, who nobody seemed interested in signing around the league. Fans go crazy with excitement.

As I stated, Goodwin was simply not Pro-Bowl caliber, but was greatly assisted by two of the better guards in the league, Evans and Nicks (two real Pro-Bowlers), as well as snapping to another Pro-Bowler. He has shown to Niners fans that he was greatly overrated by those who thought this would all play out well.

Where was it stated, clearly or otherwise, that "resigning Baas was a priority." I don't recall any statement by the Niners to that effect. To the contrary, they were pretty much silent about all their free agent plans.

Its amazing how much inside information you purport to have about what goes on inside the Niners front office. You have a crystal ball or something? Mind sharing what the winning lottery numbers will be this week?

As to Goodwin, who according to you "was simply not ProBowl caliber," didn't he actually play in the ProBowl. Not once but twice. Doesn't that make him a probowler, by definition. YOU think its only because he had two big guards next to him, but what support can you offer for that opinion? Who else has said that he was only a ProBowler because of the guys next to him? And how many ProBowls did those two guys make?

While I haven't been overly impressed with Goodwin's play at center so far this season, its early yet, he's new to the team, will naturally need some adjustment period (as would any player), and didn't have an off season to help him. Plus he doesn't seem to be the biggest problem with the OL at present, to the extent Rachal and Staley have struggled.

So, again, I am left wondering where and how you got the information in your post, and just how reliable it is. Frankly, some of it just seems to be sheer speculation on your part; stuff made up to support your own "skepticism."

Not that there's anything wrong with skepticism, or constructive criticism of the Niners' front office, but seems like you might want to base it on real information.

Originally posted by Overkill:
I doubt Snyder starting for Chilo will provide much of an improvement. Go back and look at the sacks we've given up. A large portion of them are the result of overload blitzes where our backs get beat or confusion on the line lets someone go free. The OL isn't simply getting beaten on every sack. The issue is larger than that.

Teams are stacking the box because they know it will take away the run and it allows them to show unbalanced lines which our OL hasn't shown the ability to handle. To top it off, our receivers (TE's included) have shown very little awareness. If the guy that lines up on VD or Walker blitzes, those guys will continue to run 10-15 yd routes instead of breaking off the route to sit in the hole that just opened up. Compare that to what Witten did against us in the Cowboys game. Its a team game.

The players aren't great, but the scheme is the problem imo.

Awesome post...but I'm saying this b/c I agree with you 100%. Haha

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Which "skeptics" said ANY of that?

Actually, "ignoring the center position after the loss of Heitmann and Baas" WOULD be "troublesome."

That's not skeptical, that's reasonable. This doesn't make any sense.

Why would it be skeptical to think that a former All Pro center, from a Superbowl winning team, might be better than a guy who's never played center at an NFL level before (Snyder), a life long backup (Wragge), or a rookie (Kilgore/Beeler)? That seems perfectly reasonable, and the "bargain" price only seems to make it even more worth taking a chance on the guy.

I don't recall anyone posting either of those two statements, or anything like them.

The Niners were pretty clear this offseason that resigning Baas was a priority. However, as always, they were not competitive in offering a contract to keep him. So, the team is first blindsided (a common theme with Baalke) that Baas signed elsewhere, then sits on their butt, states that Snyder is the new starter, watch the next line of four or five free agent centers sign elsewhere, and then realizing that Snyder may not be very good, sign Goodwin, who nobody seemed interested in signing around the league. Fans go crazy with excitement.

As I stated, Goodwin was simply not Pro-Bowl caliber, but was greatly assisted by two of the better guards in the league, Evans and Nicks (two real Pro-Bowlers), as well as snapping to another Pro-Bowler. He has shown to Niners fans that he was greatly overrated by those who thought this would all play out well.

Where was it stated, clearly or otherwise, that "resigning Baas was a priority." I don't recall any statement by the Niners to that effect. To the contrary, they were pretty much silent about all their free agent plans.

Its amazing how much inside information you purport to have about what goes on inside the Niners front office. You have a crystal ball or something? Mind sharing what the winning lottery numbers will be this week?

As to Goodwin, who according to you "was simply not ProBowl caliber," didn't he actually play in the ProBowl. Not once but twice. Doesn't that make him a probowler, by definition. YOU think its only because he had two big guards next to him, but what support can you offer for that opinion? Who else has said that he was only a ProBowler because of the guys next to him? And how many ProBowls did those two guys make?

While I haven't been overly impressed with Goodwin's play at center so far this season, its early yet, he's new to the team, will naturally need some adjustment period (as would any player), and didn't have an off season to help him. Plus he doesn't seem to be the biggest problem with the OL at present, to the extent Rachal and Staley have struggled.

So, again, I am left wondering where and how you got the information in your post, and just how reliable it is. Frankly, some of it just seems to be sheer speculation on your part; stuff made up to support your own "skepticism."

Not that there's anything wrong with skepticism, or constructive criticism of the Niners' front office, but seems like you might want to base it on real information.

I seem to remember the front office saying that resigning Baas was a priority also. It just didn't happen. Just speculation, but I think the front office knew that Snyder was repping at center to Alex and tried to lowball Baas...or the offer was simply short of the one Baas took.

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Where was it stated, clearly or otherwise, that "resigning Baas was a priority." I don't recall any statement by the Niners to that effect. To the contrary, they were pretty much silent about all their free agent plans.

Its amazing how much inside information you purport to have about what goes on inside the Niners front office. You have a crystal ball or something? Mind sharing what the winning lottery numbers will be this week?

As to Goodwin, who according to you "was simply not ProBowl caliber," didn't he actually play in the ProBowl. Not once but twice. Doesn't that make him a probowler, by definition. YOU think its only because he had two big guards next to him, but what support can you offer for that opinion? Who else has said that he was only a ProBowler because of the guys next to him? And how many ProBowls did those two guys make?

While I haven't been overly impressed with Goodwin's play at center so far this season, its early yet, he's new to the team, will naturally need some adjustment period (as would any player), and didn't have an off season to help him. Plus he doesn't seem to be the biggest problem with the OL at present, to the extent Rachal and Staley have struggled.

So, again, I am left wondering where and how you got the information in your post, and just how reliable it is. Frankly, some of it just seems to be sheer speculation on your part; stuff made up to support your own "skepticism."

Not that there's anything wrong with skepticism, or constructive criticism of the Niners' front office, but seems like you might want to base it on real information.

I'll make this a little easier for you:
Go to a computer, and type in www.google.com. Then, type in these magic words: David Baas, 49ers, priority. A miracle will happen.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:

Where was it stated, clearly or otherwise, that "resigning Baas was a priority." I don't recall any statement by the Niners to that effect. To the contrary, they were pretty much silent about all their free agent plans.

Its amazing how much inside information you purport to have about what goes on inside the Niners front office. You have a crystal ball or something? Mind sharing what the winning lottery numbers will be this week?

As to Goodwin, who according to you "was simply not ProBowl caliber," didn't he actually play in the ProBowl. Not once but twice. Doesn't that make him a probowler, by definition. YOU think its only because he had two big guards next to him, but what support can you offer for that opinion? Who else has said that he was only a ProBowler because of the guys next to him? And how many ProBowls did those two guys make?

While I haven't been overly impressed with Goodwin's play at center so far this season, its early yet, he's new to the team, will naturally need some adjustment period (as would any player), and didn't have an off season to help him. Plus he doesn't seem to be the biggest problem with the OL at present, to the extent Rachal and Staley have struggled.

So, again, I am left wondering where and how you got the information in your post, and just how reliable it is. Frankly, some of it just seems to be sheer speculation on your part; stuff made up to support your own "skepticism."

Not that there's anything wrong with skepticism, or constructive criticism of the Niners' front office, but seems like you might want to base it on real information.

I'll make this a little easier for you:
Go to a computer, and type in www.google.com. Then, type in these magic words: David Baas, 49ers, priority. A miracle will happen.

Did that. Got a load of pages of speculation, with words like "expected" and phrases like "could be". It was a miracle.

I know we miss him. It was a steep contract he got, though. No question we miss Heitmann.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Where was it stated, clearly or otherwise, that "resigning Baas was a priority." I don't recall any statement by the Niners to that effect. To the contrary, they were pretty much silent about all their free agent plans.

Its amazing how much inside information you purport to have about what goes on inside the Niners front office. You have a crystal ball or something? Mind sharing what the winning lottery numbers will be this week?

As to Goodwin, who according to you "was simply not ProBowl caliber," didn't he actually play in the ProBowl. Not once but twice. Doesn't that make him a probowler, by definition. YOU think its only because he had two big guards next to him, but what support can you offer for that opinion? Who else has said that he was only a ProBowler because of the guys next to him? And how many ProBowls did those two guys make?

While I haven't been overly impressed with Goodwin's play at center so far this season, its early yet, he's new to the team, will naturally need some adjustment period (as would any player), and didn't have an off season to help him. Plus he doesn't seem to be the biggest problem with the OL at present, to the extent Rachal and Staley have struggled.

So, again, I am left wondering where and how you got the information in your post, and just how reliable it is. Frankly, some of it just seems to be sheer speculation on your part; stuff made up to support your own "skepticism."

Not that there's anything wrong with skepticism, or constructive criticism of the Niners' front office, but seems like you might want to base it on real information.

I'll make this a little easier for you:
Go to a computer, and type in www.google.com. Then, type in these magic words: David Baas, 49ers, priority. A miracle will happen.

Baas would look good compared to the crap we have but he's still not great, would rather grab a strong rookie in the draft.

How is the OG/C class looking for this year?

Originally posted by jreff22:
Baas would look good compared to the crap we have but he's still not great, would rather grab a strong rookie in the draft.

How is the OG/C class looking for this year?

This class of interior linemen is the worst I have seen in a LONG, LONG time. There is not much there at all, unless some of the better tackle prospects slide inside at the next level, and that is probably not going to happen with the upper-tier guys.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Baas would look good compared to the crap we have but he's still not great, would rather grab a strong rookie in the draft.

How is the OG/C class looking for this year?

This class of interior linemen is the worst I have seen in a LONG, LONG time. There is not much there at all, unless some of the better tackle prospects slide inside at the next level, and that is probably not going to happen with the upper-tier guys.

Originally posted by jreff22:
Baas would look good compared to the crap we have but he's still not great, would rather grab a strong rookie in the draft.

How is the OG/C class looking for this year?

This class of interior linemen is the worst I have seen in a LONG, LONG time. There is not much there at all, unless some of the better tackle prospects slide inside at the next level, and that is probably not going to happen with the upper-tier guys.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Originally posted by oldninerdude:
Where was it stated, clearly or otherwise, that "resigning Baas was a priority." I don't recall any statement by the Niners to that effect. To the contrary, they were pretty much silent about all their free agent plans.

Its amazing how much inside information you purport to have about what goes on inside the Niners front office. You have a crystal ball or something? Mind sharing what the winning lottery numbers will be this week?

As to Goodwin, who according to you "was simply not ProBowl caliber," didn't he actually play in the ProBowl. Not once but twice. Doesn't that make him a probowler, by definition. YOU think its only because he had two big guards next to him, but what support can you offer for that opinion? Who else has said that he was only a ProBowler because of the guys next to him? And how many ProBowls did those two guys make?

While I haven't been overly impressed with Goodwin's play at center so far this season, its early yet, he's new to the team, will naturally need some adjustment period (as would any player), and didn't have an off season to help him. Plus he doesn't seem to be the biggest problem with the OL at present, to the extent Rachal and Staley have struggled.

So, again, I am left wondering where and how you got the information in your post, and just how reliable it is. Frankly, some of it just seems to be sheer speculation on your part; stuff made up to support your own "skepticism."

Not that there's anything wrong with skepticism, or constructive criticism of the Niners' front office, but seems like you might want to base it on real information.

I'll make this a little easier for you:
Go to a computer, and type in www.google.com. Then, type in these magic words: David Baas, 49ers, priority. A miracle will happen.

Did that. Got a load of pages of speculation, with words like "expected" and phrases like "could be". It was a miracle.

I know we miss him. It was a steep contract he got, though. No question we miss Heitmann.

Yeah, did that as well, and got the same--zero fact, lots of speculation.

Where, exactly, does anyone from the Niners say that resigning Baas is a priority?

Answer: Nowhere. Lots of speculation by sports writers, some of whom base what they write on what OTHER sportswriters wrote.

Interpretation of speculation still equals speculation.

Miraculous indeed.

Even more surprising that anyone would completely buy into that kind of "reporting."

You interested in some swamp land?